Just e-mailed my representatives. At a minimum, we have a right to see what they have on UAPs.

Lol "I would love to tell you this secret info in a classified space but gee shucks they won't let me in one. "

Of course

Until these guys start giving specifics the whole idea that they're saying this under oath is pointless. To commit perjury you have say something under oath that you know is false. Saying "the government" has non earth biologics is far too vague to prove false. Saying you saw something in the sky is the same. Until someone is willing to go on the record with specific accusations this is nothing more than vague statements with little substance.

guadalupeag said:

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Until these guys start giving specifics the whole idea that they're saying this under oath is pointless. To commit perjury you have say something under oath that you know is false. Saying "the government" has non earth biologics is far too vague to prove false. Saying you saw something in the sky is the same. Until someone is willing to go on the record with specific accusations this is nothing more than vague statements with little substance.

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2 of the guys gave specifics about their encounters.

None of which could be proven true or false, which is why it's pointless they said it under oath. True disclosure would involve actual details that continue to move the discovery forward. Until someone comes forward with verifiable statements this is the same song and dance we have seen plenty of times before.

guadalupeag said:

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None of which could be proven true or false, which is why it's pointless they said it under oath. True disclosure would involve actual details that continue to move the discovery forward. Until someone comes forward with verifiable statements this is the same song and dance we have seen plenty of times before.

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The "actual details" of both the Tic Tac and Gimbal incidents were provided by the Navy pilots involved, verified tracking video from onboard sensors was released, and the existence of a government task force dedicated to investigating UAP (nee UFO) reports (decades after such efforts were supposedly shut down) were all investigated and reported in the New York Times in 2017 by Leslie Kean and Ralph Blumenthal.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/unidentified-flying-object-navy.html

That story, and others by Kean and Blumenthal, has been credited with "moving the discovery forward." And just this week, Fravor and Graves testified under oath before Congress about their experiences. Doubt Grusch's testimony all you want to; he's provided no evidence and claims he can't because it's all classified. But if you want "verifiable statements", Fravor and Graves have made plenty of them. Their claims are completely separate from Grusch's.

it's not aliens

i wish it were aliens

but it's not aliens

it's just the ol' engineered panic, an attractive nuisance ensuring natsec reporters get assigned to investigate balloon bullshit rather than budgets or bombings (à la nordstream)

until next time

— Edward Snowden (@Snowden) February 13, 2023

there is no endgame where we get the truth from our government. If alien life exists, we won't know it until they decide to make it known in such a manner that it can't be denied.

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Except too many people now know the truth. Or at least a good chunk of the truth. Between the whistleblowers, the members of the Senate Intelligence Committee they've spoken to, and the members of Congress who are becoming more convinced by the day that something nefarious is going on, there's no putting the toothpaste back into the tube. This process is only going to continue to snowball. The coverup worked when only those keeping the secret knew about it, and had absolute control over the secret getting out. But a number of officials outside of the circle now know, literally, where the bodies are buried, and that number is only going to continue to grow. Thus more and more pressure is going to be applied, and eventually the damn will break, against the will of those guarding the secret.

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I still don't know what this undeclared truth is supposed to be.

Is it that the government knows there is some type of non-human technology and related entities around but is basically like the rest of the civilians trying to figure out what they actually are and people just want them to acknowledge that?

Or is it more like the government has extensive knowledge and even interactions going back many decades with these beings and therefore pretty much knows what they are and where they come from, etc?

Those two are hugely different, even if the beings do exist.

So we're the threat? You mean because of our stupid little atomic pop guns? Do you know how much energy is in a typical star or what kind of technology it would take to traverse the galaxy or travel between dimensions or travel through time as they are claimed to do??

The enthusiasts get so frustrated with those of us that won't get on board with this whole obvious truth but how can we when even those of you "in the know" are all over the map?

On one hand we humans are depicted as these laughably backwards and primitive creatures, essentially apes, compared to these hyper advanced beings that are watching over us like we're just plants in a terrarium. They evidently experiment on us like cattle and control us behind the scenes. We exist at their mercy. But at the same time we capture and keep their craft and bodies, shoot them down, steal their ships, conceal their existence, and apparently are now imminently in danger of holding the galaxy hostage if we aren't stopped.

Also, on one hand the enthusiasts are always seeking enlightenment and benevolent guidance from these wonderful angelic creatures that just have to be better than the horrible monsters that mankind is, ("If they would just come save us from ourselves and make us behave by forcing peace on us with the threat of extermination") except that we apparently have a chronicled history of abductions and torture associated with these things and the hero of the hour himself, David Grusch, makes them out to be a threat. So which is it?

The UFOs have gotten aggressive at times

"The logical fallacy there is, because they're advanced, they're kind," said Grusch of the mostly harmless run-ins that have occurred with alleged UFOs over the years. But the exintelligence officer claimed there is evidence of "malevolent activity" by UFOs, including nuclear-site probing. "If we look at it through a humanistic lens, it appears negative," he said.


I don't understand how some of you guys can be frustrated that the rest of us don't get it when you can't even come close to agreeing what this all is amongst yourselves. The contradictions are constant. And this isn't even including those of you who just "know" that the truth is they're biblical demons and whatnot.

So what is the truth we need to know? Please clarify. Does the government actually know what they are or not? Are they infinitely beyond us technologically or not? Are they benevolent or malevolent? We're told only willful ignorance keeps this stuff from being obvious so please help us out.

You have no idea if they know the truth or any large or small fraction of the truth. You have faith just like a religious person has faith. You're speaking like anything to do with ufos is an objective truth and the bottom line is that is isn't. We are not closer today than we were last week or last month or last year to having any definitive no **** this is real proof. What you believe is still faith based.