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G Martin 87 said:

Grusch just said he directed people with knowledge of murders to the appropriate authorities. Can't say more due to his whistleblower case.
He didn't technically confirm any murders
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redline248 said:

G Martin 87 said:

Grusch just said he directed people with knowledge of murders to the appropriate authorities. Can't say more due to his whistleblower case.
He didn't technically confirm any murders
Right, but the question was explicitly about murders.
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Grusch was asked if he fears for his life for coming forward. He said yes.
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The person Luna just mentioned from AERO - I missed the name - they need to get him in a hearing and ask him questions
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Did Graves just say a thing that was 100 yards in size came to that base? Size or what did he say?
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redline248 said:

The person Luna just mentioned from AERO - I missed the name - they need to get him in a hearing and ask him questions
He's been in one and claims ignorance to everything. Grusch would say that is because the info Grusch has is being withheld from AARO.
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Most of the questions are being directed at Graves and Fravor to explain further what they witnessed and what the national security implications are. Smart strategy, I think. Grusch's claims are not first hand. Theirs are.
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"Corporations are putting themselves ahead of the safety of the American people." - Luna
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G Martin 87 said:

Most of the questions are being directed at Graves and Fravor to explain further what they witnessed and what the national security implications are. Smart strategy, I think. Grusch's claims are not first hand. Theirs are.
I admit it's been interesting so far. good questions and the three have all been impressive. But what you just said is interesting because secondhand witness Grusch keeps emphasizing he's being terrorized and fears for his life but then they asked firsthand witness Fravor about how he's been treated and he smiled broadly and said twice he's been treated very well. Just a little odd.
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Joes said:

G Martin 87 said:

Most of the questions are being directed at Graves and Fravor to explain further what they witnessed and what the national security implications are. Smart strategy, I think. Grusch's claims are not first hand. Theirs are.
I admit it's been interesting so far. good questions and the three have all been impressive. But what you just said is interesting because secondhand witness Grusch keeps emphasizing he's being terrorized and fears for his life but then they asked firsthand witness Fravor about how he's been treated and he smiled broadly and said twice he's been treated very well. Just a little odd.
I would say a pilot talking about what he sees is "less threatening" than a guy who knows specifically who and where everything is.
redline248
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OMG, why is this great grandma still working in politics?
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Foxx asking Grusch directly about recovered craft and bodies. She's quoting back AARO's assertion that they have not found any evidence of that. She's pushing for transparency, also citing the Chinese spy balloon incident.
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She's just soap boxing
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redline248 said:

Joes said:

G Martin 87 said:

Most of the questions are being directed at Graves and Fravor to explain further what they witnessed and what the national security implications are. Smart strategy, I think. Grusch's claims are not first hand. Theirs are.
I admit it's been interesting so far. good questions and the three have all been impressive. But what you just said is interesting because secondhand witness Grusch keeps emphasizing he's being terrorized and fears for his life but then they asked firsthand witness Fravor about how he's been treated and he smiled broadly and said twice he's been treated very well. Just a little odd.
I would say a pilot talking about what he sees is "less threatening" than a guy who knows specifically who and where everything is.
Exactly. That point is being illustrated.
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redline248 said:

She's just soap boxing
Agreed
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G Martin 87 said:

redline248 said:

She's just soap boxing
Agreed


That was a waste of time.
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redline248 said:

Joes said:

G Martin 87 said:

Most of the questions are being directed at Graves and Fravor to explain further what they witnessed and what the national security implications are. Smart strategy, I think. Grusch's claims are not first hand. Theirs are.
I admit it's been interesting so far. good questions and the three have all been impressive. But what you just said is interesting because secondhand witness Grusch keeps emphasizing he's being terrorized and fears for his life but then they asked firsthand witness Fravor about how he's been treated and he smiled broadly and said twice he's been treated very well. Just a little odd.
I would say a pilot talking about what he sees is "less threatening" than a guy who knows specifically who and where everything is.
Yeah, I get that, I was just noting the contrast.


Aaaaaaaand AOC is there. Is she going to ask questions??

"Um like, are these space monsters gonna like eat me or something???"" Haha!
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G Martin - just FYI, I'm now able to watch the hearing on my phone, so if you're providing updates primarily for me, no need anymore. If not, though, keep at it. Thanks again either way.
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Burchett back up for questions about non-human intelligence, clearances, and how these SAPs are being hidden from Congressional oversight.
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All the "good" info being behind disclosure protections is annoying AF
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TCTTS said:

G Martin - just FYI, I'm now able to watch the hearing on my phone, so if you're providing updates primarily for me, no need anymore. If not, though, keep at it. Thanks again either way.
please keep providing the updates. I can't watch.
thanks in advance!
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Burchett's questioning is pretty fantastic
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redline248 said:

All the "good" info being behind disclosure protections is annoying AF
Grusch and Burchett are getting it on the record that special access above what they have is not necessary, so why can't they have oversight? That's important, even if Grusch can't say anything beyond "I can't get into that in an open setting."
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AOC up. Asking about defense contractor abuse. She's getting very specific about HOW Congress is notified (or not) by contractors.
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A group of people in government and out of government sit and decide who can and can't have access to this UAP info.

Shadow government. Or better know and the "Industrial Military Complex"
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Noblemen06 said:

Burchett's questioning is pretty fantastic
Agreed. By far the most "to the point" to nail things down unambiguously. Plus some more bonus dadgummits!

G Martin 87
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Grusch said he can tell Congress exactly who and where to go to get all the specifics they want in a closed setting. Fravor and Graves backed him up.
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Houston Lee said:

A group of people in government and out of government sit and decide who can and can't have access to this UAP info.

Shadow government. Or better know and the "Industrial Military Complex"
Deep State
G Martin 87
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Burlison asking Grusch directly if he has seen the craft or bodies himself. You skeptics will love this. He specifically asked Grusch about alien incompetence to travel billions of light years only to crash on Earth. Grusch brought up multidimensional and hologram theories.
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IMO, each one of these witnesses have been incredibly impressive. We could not have asked for three better officials to kick these hearings off…

G Martin 87
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Burlison - Occam's Razor suggests these are our aircraft. Grusch said these reports predate our technology.
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Gaetz pushing for a closed session in a SCIF with Grusch.
redline248
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TCTTS said:

IMO, each one of these witnesses have been incredibly impressive. We could not have asked for three better officials to kick these hearings off…


I am not saying one way or the other, but being confident in answers does not automatically = credible.

Many liars are confident in their lies. Again, not saying he is lying.
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Graves estimated 95% of incidents go unreported by pilots.
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I don't know how they're going to ever be able to resolve all this. Government moves so slowly. You can't have someone publicly tell you they know exactly where the craft are (and potentially alien bodies, etc.) plus detailed info on murders, and then have the result be something like they'll form more committees to discuss with other committees and then possibly have another hearing in 2025 or so.

The only way to really solve this is for them to say "Let's all go get in the car right now and follow you to where all this is and have news crews follow us and expose this today." but of course that can't and won't ever happen. So we'll get endless claims and denials.
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