*** UAP THREAD ***

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That dude is as scummy as they come, he's a know bold face liar. Why on earth would you believe anything that comes out of that man's mouth!?
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aggiephoenix02 said:

That dude is as scummy as they come, he's a know bold face liar. Why on earth would you believe anything that comes out of that man's mouth!?
Meh, at least he took the question.

Still, pretty amazing the US Sec of Def openly admits we have a UAP situation.
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Grusch is publicly testifying next week. I know you godless liberals hate Anna Paulina Luna, but here you go
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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Ryan Graves is former Navy pilot. Here is his non-profit

https://www.safeaerospace.org/
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Good interview with Cuomo...

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Nice little segment on Laura Ingraham too. It's really starting to feel like this hearing is going to get some legit coverage...

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i said there would be multiple witnesses withdraw or change their testimony.
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These witnesses are alleged government employees, aren't they? Wouldn't destroying evidence be a federal crime?
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There's been so much discussion these last weeks about what's legal or not now, I honestly don't know what difference that makes. We've had FBI directors and others in high positions straight up lie to Congress with no consequences over things that in comparison to this alleged coverup are insignificant. We see routinely that people in certain circles are immune to the legal system.

But the people who are theoretically covering up the biggest news in world history (by a factor of 1000) and have supposedly murdered to do it are now supposed to come clean because Congress legally requires them to? Is this a joke?

This is like expecting drug lords to turn themselves in because you reminded them that what they're doing is illegal.

I'm pretty confident there's nothing otherworldly to all this, but if there is then changing laws around to either protect witnesses or punish wrongdoers will not have one iota of effect anyway.



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https://texags.com/forums/34/topics/3388680/last#last
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I'm browsing some this morning to read about the anticipation for the hearings and it sure doesn't make it easy for a neutral observer to try to follow this stuff objectively when so many of the people making the claim are so open about the fact that this is simply a faith. It's a religion.

Over and over I see and hear: "I've always believed but it would be nice to see some actual evidence at this hearing", and "We all want to believe but..." and "No matter what happens these hearings won't shake my belief...", and "As a believer I..."

People like that don't want "The Truth". They just want to be told what they want to hear. And anything that doesn't reinforce their beliefs becomes by definition part of the coverup. Assuming that no new evidence will be shown we might as well be having hearings on the existence of Thor. "Of course he's real, haven't you ever seen lightning?" That's about where this is.

Many enthusiasts, including some on here, continue to claim that the world will be shocked very soon and things will never be the same. Meanwhile I casually asked people around my office last week if they were following all this and about 70% hadn't heard anything about it or had no opinion and the other 30% basically responded with mockery or laughter.

I mean, let's face it, we're discussing The Biggest Story in World History here in the Entertainment subforum between BARBIE vs OPPENHEIMER and Megadeth drummer hears/plays Mr Brightside for the first time.


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You have to stay away from podcast and forum chatter and even most articles, imo. Wait for someone to talk about the actual facts that come out from the hearing, or whatever. And I don't just mean facts about any tech/evidence, whatever. Also facts about what these witnesses actually say.
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If someone credible worked on these things directly then I imagine they wouldn't come forward unless they knew they could also provide evidence to backup their claims for fear of quickly being looped into Bob Lazar territory.
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I truly believe that Jeremy Corbell is in the "know" and will not burn his sources just to put something out there that can't be corroborated just yet. His twitter feed has had some hints of what's to come and I'm looking forward to this
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redline248 said:

You have to stay away from podcast and forum chatter and even most articles, imo. Wait for someone to talk about the actual facts that come out from the hearing, or whatever. And I don't just mean facts about any tech/evidence, whatever. Also facts about what these witnesses actually say.
I think you're basically acknowledging what I'm saying though, it's about 90% stereotypical nuts and people playing pretend plus the many people manipulating and profiting from those same people and they're the face of this whole thing. And then off to the side you have about 10% of enthusiasts that have at least a somewhat rational interest and genuine scientific curiosity.

On one hand it's nonstop complaining that this topic isn't getting serious coverage but then they'll start talking about the purple space demons that kidnapped their uncle Bob and kept him at their secret base inside the moon and that it's all true because Lazar and Greer and all the other "in the know" regulars talked about it in one of their books or interviews. Then the next guy will say "Don't listen to that idiot, he's crazy, they're actually blue, not purple." The ridicule is purely self-inflicted.

If Grusch either backs off his interview statements some or else comes off as a fraud and the other two guys don't have anything new to add except they chased dots then the massive damage to the whole topic will be well-earned.



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Yeah, I am acknowledging that and I guess I should have said "don't waste your time digging for info"
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redline248 said:

Yeah, I am acknowledging that and I guess I should have said "don't waste your time digging for info"
Fair enough!
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Interesting flowchart (if you want to call it that) detailing everything going on. Start at the top and follow the numbers/instructions.

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That's a pretty advanced flowchart. Is it reverse engineered from recovered alien flow charts?
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Rocagnante said:

That's a pretty advanced flowchart. Is it reverse engineered from recovered alien flow charts?
It would appear so! It's not terribly hard to follow and pieces a lot of things together about Grusch and the events leading up to what's happening on Wednesday.
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OK, wait a minute. I'm not even past #2 and I've got a verbiage question. How do you "proactively" investigate a crash? Shouldn't this have read "independently"? Or does the UAPTF operate like Minority Report?
TCTTS
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It says he "proactively investigated UAP cases," not crashes. The cases are then what led him to the reports of crashes.
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Fantastic interview with Chris Mellon. I know why Cuomo was fired from CNN, and there was definitely a conflict of interest there with his brother, but I've always still liked him, and it's just insane to me to see someone of his stature taking this subject so seriously, and to hear some of this stuff coming out of his mouth...


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TCTTS said:

Fantastic interview with Chris Mellon. I know why Cuomo was fired from CNN, and there was definitely a conflict of interest there with his brother, but I've always still liked him, and it's just insane to me to see someone of his stature taking this subject so seriously, and to hear some of this stuff coming out of his mouth...



Thanks for the clip, yours is longer than the youtube version.

So how do you account for his complete turnaround since 2016? Obviously anyone can legitimately change their mind based on new information so that's no problem on the face of it but to this extreme is kind of crazy.

Somehow he went from being completely dismissive of the whole UFO coverup idea after actually participating in comprehensive oversight at Area 51 and other hidden programs for over a decade, but now he's on board because people at the DoD told him differently?

A: I highly doubt DoD or any other government agency is concealing UFO information. I participated in a comprehensive review of DoD's black programs and spent over a decade conducting oversight of the national foreign intelligence program, an almost totally separate world of secrets. I visited Area 51 and other military, intelligence and research facilities. During all those years, I never detected the faintest hint of government interest or involvement in UFOs.

Is There a UFO Cover-up? A Government Insider Speaks Out | HuffPost Weird News



So now 7 years later he trusts what people at the DoD are telling him over more than a decade of his own direct investigation at the actual sites where he never detected the faintest hint of involvement? He was adamant. This makes no sense and if nothing else it sure doesn't say much for his confidence or ability in his own skills. Over a decade of his own hands-on professional work made him say categorically no, but now some mere words from those same people make him say yes. I honestly don't get it.
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Joes said:

TCTTS said:

Fantastic interview with Chris Mellon. I know why Cuomo was fired from CNN, and there was definitely a conflict of interest there with his brother, but I've always still liked him, and it's just insane to me to see someone of his stature taking this subject so seriously, and to hear some of this stuff coming out of his mouth...



Thanks for the clip, yours is longer than the youtube version.

So how do you account for his complete turnaround since 2016? Obviously anyone can legitimately change their mind based on new information so that's no problem on the face of it but to this extreme is kind of crazy.

Somehow he went from being completely dismissive of the whole UFO coverup idea after actually participating in comprehensive oversight at Area 51 and other hidden programs for over a decade, but now he's on board because people at the DoD told him differently?

A: I highly doubt DoD or any other government agency is concealing UFO information. I participated in a comprehensive review of DoD's black programs and spent over a decade conducting oversight of the national foreign intelligence program, an almost totally separate world of secrets. I visited Area 51 and other military, intelligence and research facilities. During all those years, I never detected the faintest hint of government interest or involvement in UFOs.

Is There a UFO Cover-up? A Government Insider Speaks Out | HuffPost Weird News



So now 7 years later he trusts what people at the DoD are telling him over more than a decade of his own direct investigation at the actual sites where he never detected the faintest hint of involvement? He was adamant. This makes no sense and if nothing else it sure doesn't say much for his confidence or ability in his own skills. Over a decade of his own hands-on professional work made him say categorically no, but now some mere words from those same people make him say yes. I honestly don't get it.

You're surprised that someone can change their mind over the course of seven years? This is such a weird "gotcha." Especially when Mellon is on the record as saying why he changed his mind, it's because of what he eventually discovered. No different that Lue Elizondo, no different than David Grusch. They were all either nonbelievers or agnostic at best (when it came to the existence of aliens on earth), and the more the more they dug, the more they found, and thus the more convinced they became.

Also, Area 51 has been so incredibly synonymous with UFOs that if they ever had anything "alien" there, it has has long-since been moved. This has been the rumor for some time now.

We also know that the people who hold the same oversight positions right now as Mellon once did - especially those on the Senate Intelligence Committee - literally only *just* learned about all of this themselves, in the last year or two. So how was Mellon supposed to know about it all a decade ago?

Really, this is pretty basic stuff.
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I'm ready for "I've seen recovered tech" versus "I've been told we've recovered tech"
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Fair enough. We'll get there. Hopefully in the next few months.

For the record, though, while I don't think Grusch has been in the physical presence of a craft, it sounds like he might have at least seen photographic proof if not video proof himself.
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TCTTS said:

Joes said:

TCTTS said:

Fantastic interview with Chris Mellon. I know why Cuomo was fired from CNN, and there was definitely a conflict of interest there with his brother, but I've always still liked him, and it's just insane to me to see someone of his stature taking this subject so seriously, and to hear some of this stuff coming out of his mouth...



Thanks for the clip, yours is longer than the youtube version.

So how do you account for his complete turnaround since 2016? Obviously anyone can legitimately change their mind based on new information so that's no problem on the face of it but to this extreme is kind of crazy.

Somehow he went from being completely dismissive of the whole UFO coverup idea after actually participating in comprehensive oversight at Area 51 and other hidden programs for over a decade, but now he's on board because people at the DoD told him differently?

A: I highly doubt DoD or any other government agency is concealing UFO information. I participated in a comprehensive review of DoD's black programs and spent over a decade conducting oversight of the national foreign intelligence program, an almost totally separate world of secrets. I visited Area 51 and other military, intelligence and research facilities. During all those years, I never detected the faintest hint of government interest or involvement in UFOs.

Is There a UFO Cover-up? A Government Insider Speaks Out | HuffPost Weird News



So now 7 years later he trusts what people at the DoD are telling him over more than a decade of his own direct investigation at the actual sites where he never detected the faintest hint of involvement? He was adamant. This makes no sense and if nothing else it sure doesn't say much for his confidence or ability in his own skills. Over a decade of his own hands-on professional work made him say categorically no, but now some mere words from those same people make him say yes. I honestly don't get it.

You're surprised that someone can change their mind over the course of seven years? This is such a weird "gotcha." Especially when Mellon is on the record as saying why he changed his mind, it's because of what he eventually discovered. No different that Lue Elizondo, no different than David Grusch. They were all either nonbelievers or agnostic at best (when it came to the existence of aliens on earth), and the more the more they dug, the more they found, and thus the more convinced they became.

Also, Area 51 has been so incredibly synonymous with UFOs that if they ever had anything "alien" there, it has has long-since been moved. This has been the rumor for some time now.

We also know that the people who hold the same oversight positions right now as Mellon once did - especially those on the Senate Intelligence Committee - literally only *just* learned about all of this themselves, in the last year or two. So how was Mellon supposed to know about it all a decade ago?

Really, this is pretty basic stuff.
It's not a gotcha, taking someone else's words over more than a decade of your own investigation is alarming to say the least. And it wasn't just Area 51, " I visited Area 51 and other military, intelligence and research facilities." It was more than a decade, he said, not like he stopped by one morning for coffee and didn't notice any aliens.

If nothing else he owes us all over a decade of refunded salary because his work was utterly useless.
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Why are you automatically assuming that the "facilities" Mellon visited had UAP tech? If that tech exists, it's hidden so incredibly deep, where none of these guys can get to it. That's the entire reason the Senate Intelligence Committee and Congress and all these people are pissed and taking action, BECAUSE it's (apparently) been hidden from them. So if you're going to get mad at Mellon you might as well get mad at literally everyone else.

Ha, I swear, you continually argue in the most circular fashion, completely ignoring huge chunks of this whole thing when convenient to whatever new hole you're constantly trying to poke.
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Honest and thoughtful people tend to change their minds when confronted with strong doses of new or different data.

It is factual that something has been breaking the laws of gravity as known to us. Second, and related, we have credible and highly credentialed people saying extraterrestrial technologies exist.

This is indisputable. I'm a believer but skeptics are essential - IF they acknowledge facts such as these.
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Very well said.
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I never thought I'd see a time in which redstone got so many "well said" replies
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Joes said:

TCTTS said:

Joes said:

TCTTS said:

Fantastic interview with Chris Mellon. I know why Cuomo was fired from CNN, and there was definitely a conflict of interest there with his brother, but I've always still liked him, and it's just insane to me to see someone of his stature taking this subject so seriously, and to hear some of this stuff coming out of his mouth...



Thanks for the clip, yours is longer than the youtube version.

So how do you account for his complete turnaround since 2016? Obviously anyone can legitimately change their mind based on new information so that's no problem on the face of it but to this extreme is kind of crazy.

Somehow he went from being completely dismissive of the whole UFO coverup idea after actually participating in comprehensive oversight at Area 51 and other hidden programs for over a decade, but now he's on board because people at the DoD told him differently?

A: I highly doubt DoD or any other government agency is concealing UFO information. I participated in a comprehensive review of DoD's black programs and spent over a decade conducting oversight of the national foreign intelligence program, an almost totally separate world of secrets. I visited Area 51 and other military, intelligence and research facilities. During all those years, I never detected the faintest hint of government interest or involvement in UFOs.

Is There a UFO Cover-up? A Government Insider Speaks Out | HuffPost Weird News



So now 7 years later he trusts what people at the DoD are telling him over more than a decade of his own direct investigation at the actual sites where he never detected the faintest hint of involvement? He was adamant. This makes no sense and if nothing else it sure doesn't say much for his confidence or ability in his own skills. Over a decade of his own hands-on professional work made him say categorically no, but now some mere words from those same people make him say yes. I honestly don't get it.

You're surprised that someone can change their mind over the course of seven years? This is such a weird "gotcha." Especially when Mellon is on the record as saying why he changed his mind, it's because of what he eventually discovered. No different that Lue Elizondo, no different than David Grusch. They were all either nonbelievers or agnostic at best (when it came to the existence of aliens on earth), and the more the more they dug, the more they found, and thus the more convinced they became.

Also, Area 51 has been so incredibly synonymous with UFOs that if they ever had anything "alien" there, it has has long-since been moved. This has been the rumor for some time now.

We also know that the people who hold the same oversight positions right now as Mellon once did - especially those on the Senate Intelligence Committee - literally only *just* learned about all of this themselves, in the last year or two. So how was Mellon supposed to know about it all a decade ago?

Really, this is pretty basic stuff.
It's not a gotcha, taking someone else's words over more than a decade of your own investigation is alarming to say the least. And it wasn't just Area 51, " I visited Area 51 and other military, intelligence and research facilities." It was more than a decade, he said, not like he stopped by one morning for coffee and didn't notice any aliens.

If nothing else he owes us all over a decade of refunded salary because his work was utterly useless.


Jesus, dude. Lol
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Redstone said:

Honest and thoughtful people tend to change their minds when confronted with strong doses of new or different data.

It is factual that something has been breaking the laws of gravity as known to us. Second, and related, we have credible and highly credentialed people saying extraterrestrial technologies exist.

This is indisputable. I'm a believer but skeptics are essential - IF they acknowledge facts such as these.
And I would expect them to, and I said very clearly in my previous post "Obviously anyone can legitimately change their mind based on new information so that's no problem".

But when the weight of someone else's words trumps your own 10-plus years of on-site investigation into top secret programs then that looks bizarre to say the least.
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TCTTS said:

Why are you automatically assuming that the "facilities" Mellon visited had UAP tech? If that tech exists, it's hidden so incredibly deep, where none of these guys can get to it. That's the entire reason the Senate Intelligence Committee and Congress and all these people are pissed and taking action, BECAUSE it's (apparently) been hidden from them. So if you're going to get mad at Mellon you might as well get mad at literally everyone else.

Ha, I swear, you continually argue in the most circular fashion, completely ignoring huge chunks of this whole thing when convenient to whatever new hole you're constantly trying to poke.
I'm not assuming it, I'm literally reading his own words: "During all those years, I never detected the faintest hint of government interest or involvement in UFOs."

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