I certainly wasn't going to post it myself but that very image is what I see every time the past few weeks I've envisioned the results of all this.Wrec86 Ag said:
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I've said from the beginning that this hearing is a "warmup" and nothing more.
I understand, I honestly do. And I should have edited to clarify that I'm not saying it's already been a swing and a miss, we might still get something interesting out of it. Merely that I think the missed kick is the most likely ultimate outcome.TCTTS said:
I've said from the beginning that this hearing is a "warmup" and nothing more.
I hear you.
Let's state a fact……
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there are hearings coming on July 26….
And new legislation drafted last week seeks to declassify UFO/UAP information. It mentions "non-human intelligence" 22 times, and discusses "reverse engineering of technologies of unknown origin or the examination of biological evidence of living or deceased non-human intelligence."
It's not just a fringe amendment to the NDAA. It's being spearheaded by senate majority leader Chuck Schumer, a man I don't like but who matters, and has bi-partisan support.
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there are hearings coming on July 26….
And new legislation drafted last week seeks to declassify UFO/UAP information. It mentions "non-human intelligence" 22 times, and discusses "reverse engineering of technologies of unknown origin or the examination of biological evidence of living or deceased non-human intelligence."
It's not just a fringe amendment to the NDAA. It's being spearheaded by senate majority leader Chuck Schumer, a man I don't like but who matters, and has bi-partisan support.
https://instagr.am/p/Cu2Vzq_RpkE
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
Just confirmed to me by @timburchett with special guest @JeremyCorbell , we will know the names of those testifying at the UFO hearings on July 26th tomorrow morning (20th July 9am Eastern)
— That UFO Podcast (@ufouapam) July 19, 2023
Full interview available now on ALL feedshttps://t.co/g4xXwGFd33
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ATTN: Operation Blue Beam (Aliens) is a go!
— Michael Guimarin (@MichaelGuimarin) July 19, 2023
The largest disinformation campaign in human history is beginning.
Over the next few months the governments of the world are going to reveal that for 100s of years they have had access to alien technology.
That previous governments…
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ATTN: Operation Blue Beam (Aliens) is a go!
The largest disinformation campaign in human history is beginning.
Over the next few months the governments of the world are going to reveal that for 100s of years they have had access to alien technology.
That previous governments allowed this technology to be guarded & studied in secret by government labs then third party contractors.
But, due to changes in perspective + values and threats to national security these companies will no longer be permitted to have this alien technology.
Going forward for our safety the governments are going to re-confiscate this technology and ban all non-approved research.
They will enact a level of censorship and surveillance as well as military funding to "fight the alien threat" unlike what we have ever seen.
There might even be bodies, but no non-approved independent dna testing etc. (oh they're aliens they don't have dna, it's all so exotic)
And it's all a lie.
There are no aliens.
There is advanced human civilization tech lost to history like what Nikola Tesla worked on, that has the potential to disrupt the entire order.
The proliferation of independent research into the technology as well as the desire for totalitarian surveillance are driving this disinformation campaign of Blue Beaming us.
It is the independent people developing this tech via sharing notes over the internet which most threatens the status quo. That is the real goal and motive behind this "sudden" disclosure (change in government stance on this tech, which everyone from the US to the Nazis has been in a race to acquire, yes this is what cults like the Egyptians and Illuminati were doing)
All efforts will be aimed at requiring compliance to a new research data censorship regime. No independent research into "alien" technology will be permitted.
They might even go so far as to ban encryption for fear that people are trading illegal alien technology in secret.
The word has gone out and I'm now hearing it from multiple contacts throughout government.
This is so bold, I still can't believe it. My best hope is I'm totally wrong and I have to retract in a few months.
We are seeing the selective release of UAP talking points throughout the info environment by previous known regime actors.
I don't know if Twitter is compromised.
Incredible.
The only question you should be asking your friends to ask is why now?
Why now?
(The answer is that the internet is preventing the control and classification of this previously secret info)
One of the giant negatives of the internet culture is the number of people that quickly go from being a sudden expert on COVID vaccines -> Supreme Court law -> writer's strikes -> alien craft conspiracies….
Or pick whatever topic is currently in the headlines. So many speak like they're "in the know" on every single topic and it makes them look stupid. Sometimes sitting back and saying "I don't know, so I shouldn't try to pretend like I do" is the right thing to do.
(I'm not taking a shot at you personally, TCTTS, just a comment around society as a whole. There are a couple of those around here, but I don't think you're doing that right now)
Or pick whatever topic is currently in the headlines. So many speak like they're "in the know" on every single topic and it makes them look stupid. Sometimes sitting back and saying "I don't know, so I shouldn't try to pretend like I do" is the right thing to do.
(I'm not taking a shot at you personally, TCTTS, just a comment around society as a whole. There are a couple of those around here, but I don't think you're doing that right now)
That's part of the problem with ever discussing this stuff for sure, there's a never a bottom to it. It's like that line in one of the Star Wars prequels, "There's always a bigger fish". I mentioned this earlier in the thread, that whatever level you're willing to accept there's always another group behind that which will say "That's just what they want you to believe, but it's really this.."
And so you end up observing as a skeptic this weird situation where at some level you do see well-intentioned rational people who genuinely think there's something real to this, and maybe there is, but right behind that are 42 more layers of crazy where each one will laugh at the layer right below them. So you end up sometimes listening to somebody who's telling you that Biden is actually a giant spider alien who conceals himself with a cloaking device only to be told by someone else one level up "Don't listen to that mental case, no serious person thinks Biden is actually a giant spider. In reality we all know that Biden is 100% human, but he's just being mind-controlled by space whales." Oh gotcha, I'm glad I didn't listen to the crazy person..
Kind of similar to that Blue Beam guy you posted but in the opposite direction, I'm seeing some people also saying now that they're finally disclosing that aliens are here and our government knows about them because in reality the aliens themselves already are and have been running the government and it's a soft way of the aliens themselves telling us they're in control without causing chaos.
It would be kind of hilarious for there to finally be some kind of genuine sober acknowledgment of the existence of non-human intelligence only for many people to argue why that's not real now.
There very well could be something to all this, but at the same time there's never an end to people enjoying mysteries and storytelling and wanting to feel like they're in on some secret that elevates them above others. Even an actual disclosure wouldn't change that.
And so you end up observing as a skeptic this weird situation where at some level you do see well-intentioned rational people who genuinely think there's something real to this, and maybe there is, but right behind that are 42 more layers of crazy where each one will laugh at the layer right below them. So you end up sometimes listening to somebody who's telling you that Biden is actually a giant spider alien who conceals himself with a cloaking device only to be told by someone else one level up "Don't listen to that mental case, no serious person thinks Biden is actually a giant spider. In reality we all know that Biden is 100% human, but he's just being mind-controlled by space whales." Oh gotcha, I'm glad I didn't listen to the crazy person..
Kind of similar to that Blue Beam guy you posted but in the opposite direction, I'm seeing some people also saying now that they're finally disclosing that aliens are here and our government knows about them because in reality the aliens themselves already are and have been running the government and it's a soft way of the aliens themselves telling us they're in control without causing chaos.
It would be kind of hilarious for there to finally be some kind of genuine sober acknowledgment of the existence of non-human intelligence only for many people to argue why that's not real now.
There very well could be something to all this, but at the same time there's never an end to people enjoying mysteries and storytelling and wanting to feel like they're in on some secret that elevates them above others. Even an actual disclosure wouldn't change that.
Here's a question I never see asked. Why all the demand on not just the U.S. government, but on humans in general to disclose?
The aliens could obviously unambiguously disclose themselves any time they want to, just land at mid-field at the Super Bowl. Doesn't this sort of make it clear that they don't want to be exposed and shouldn't the enthusiasts respect that? It almost seems that by extension if the humans in the know tell the rest of us that it would go against the aliens wishes.
So why are the beings that are supposed to be infinitely beyond us treated like they're just pets of our government? Why don't you guys get angry with them directly instead of the Pentagon?
Also, we're supposed to be in awe of them but at the same time they seem to be submissive little *****es. They crash into our windmills, they get shot down by us, they land their ships and we just keep them, we put their bodies in storage and apparently they can't even speak for themselves. What the hell??? And many people look up to them as sources of infinite power and knowledge???
Or this idea dating back to The Day the Earth Stood Still that they're all about keeping us from making war and destroying ourselves and such. What utter narcissistic pap. So the argument is that there's life everywhere but that all these aliens will just sit here for 80 or maybe 1000 or maybe a million years to babysit us. With near infinite life in the universe. Or this idea that they have technology thousands or millions of years beyond us, but they stopped to take notice and maybe isolate us from the rest of the galaxy because of our nuclear weapons that date to WW2.
If life is common everywhere then who gives a crap? Do you walk through your yard and give **** which ant colony defeats the next one or do you sit down and watch them for decades?
I'm telling you, these aliens are Soy boy gimps.
The aliens could obviously unambiguously disclose themselves any time they want to, just land at mid-field at the Super Bowl. Doesn't this sort of make it clear that they don't want to be exposed and shouldn't the enthusiasts respect that? It almost seems that by extension if the humans in the know tell the rest of us that it would go against the aliens wishes.
So why are the beings that are supposed to be infinitely beyond us treated like they're just pets of our government? Why don't you guys get angry with them directly instead of the Pentagon?
Also, we're supposed to be in awe of them but at the same time they seem to be submissive little *****es. They crash into our windmills, they get shot down by us, they land their ships and we just keep them, we put their bodies in storage and apparently they can't even speak for themselves. What the hell??? And many people look up to them as sources of infinite power and knowledge???
Or this idea dating back to The Day the Earth Stood Still that they're all about keeping us from making war and destroying ourselves and such. What utter narcissistic pap. So the argument is that there's life everywhere but that all these aliens will just sit here for 80 or maybe 1000 or maybe a million years to babysit us. With near infinite life in the universe. Or this idea that they have technology thousands or millions of years beyond us, but they stopped to take notice and maybe isolate us from the rest of the galaxy because of our nuclear weapons that date to WW2.
If life is common everywhere then who gives a crap? Do you walk through your yard and give **** which ant colony defeats the next one or do you sit down and watch them for decades?
I'm telling you, these aliens are Soy boy gimps.
If the aliens didn't want to be exposed, they should be more careful about not crashing into our planet.
It's "Turtles, All the Way Down."
Here is the press conference in regards to the UAP hearings next week
Yeah, I was just starting to watch it myself and came here to see if anyone else posted it.
Joes said:
Yeah, I was just starting to watch it myself and came here to see if anyone else posted it.
Extremely interesting hearing about what those representatives have seen, heard and experienced. Supposedly there are much better quality pictures and videos and it has convinced them that 100% the public needs to know about it.
If there is nothing there, why all the stonewalling?
I have no idea except that it's a typical military stance to not be open in general. They wouldn't likely be allowed to just walk into some harmless lab at NASA and poking around either without pushback.TKEAg04 said:Joes said:
Yeah, I was just starting to watch it myself and came here to see if anyone else posted it.
Extremely interesting hearing about what those representatives have seen, heard and experienced. Supposedly there are much better quality pictures and videos and it has convinced them that 100% the public needs to know about it.
If there is nothing there, why all the stonewalling?
I have repeated myself many times that I'm open to the idea that there's something significant going on behind the scenes. But a non-human intelligence claim would require overwhelming evidence. I'm not really down with the "extraordinary claims require that you just believe hard enough" mindset that some are.
I think until absolutely proven otherwise the assumption should be that it's American experimental tech. As far as the G forces, there no reason these things have to be manned, it's likely they're drones. Technology is advancing so fast even in the public sector that it's astonishing, look at the crazy AI and ro botics stuff you can see openly on youtube, just imagine what's being done that's still top secret. That's still the most plausible answer to me.
But again, I'm watching with curiosity just like you all.
Also, I think they kind of damage their own argument when they point out that with the Kennedy info it should be widely available now too and it's still blocked. It's 60 years ago and everyone involved in it is dead. But yet it's still stonewalled. There's nothing (I'm assuming) related to aliens there but yet they just by force of habit want to control info as much as they can.
A much lighter version of this is with copyrights. You'll see it with smaller properties like games. Some small company would make a beloved game three decades ago and then go out of business. Now the rights are owned by some big company that bought several smaller companies and their properties en masse. This new company will never have any intent to do anything with that old game, will not even respond to people making requests to purchase the rights, will not respond to questions, and in many cases may not even be aware they own it. But in the meantime no one interested can do a sequel or remake or anything. It's just the way big entities operate... MINE!!!!!
A much lighter version of this is with copyrights. You'll see it with smaller properties like games. Some small company would make a beloved game three decades ago and then go out of business. Now the rights are owned by some big company that bought several smaller companies and their properties en masse. This new company will never have any intent to do anything with that old game, will not even respond to people making requests to purchase the rights, will not respond to questions, and in many cases may not even be aware they own it. But in the meantime no one interested can do a sequel or remake or anything. It's just the way big entities operate... MINE!!!!!
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Joes said:
Also, I think they kind of damage their own argument when they point out that with the Kennedy info it should be widely available now too and it's still blocked. It's 60 years ago and everyone involved in it is dead. But yet it's still stonewalled. There's nothing (I'm assuming) related to aliens there but yet they just by force of habit want to control info as much as they can.
A logical assumption would be the government was involved, but I digress.
The government classifies almost everything now…billions of documents costing taxpayers billions per year. It's insane.
Sure, that's true, but their argument is not from that angle.Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:Joes said:
Also, I think they kind of damage their own argument when they point out that with the Kennedy info it should be widely available now too and it's still blocked. It's 60 years ago and everyone involved in it is dead. But yet it's still stonewalled. There's nothing (I'm assuming) related to aliens there but yet they just by force of habit want to control info as much as they can.
A logical assumption would be the government was involved, but I digress.
The government classifies almost everything now…billions of documents costing taxpayers billions per year. It's insane.
Again, I'm not trying to get off in the weeds with this but I think it's a good metaphor and there have been a bunch of examples like this. Because the simplest answer is often the best. Richard Garriot made the Ultima games in the 1980s and early 90s when gaming was small. They're revered among old gamers and there hasn't been one made in a quarter century. His small company was bought by EA 30 years ago. The property is dead and buried and for many years when he was asked about a new one he said EA wouldn't even respond to him about his request to buy back the rights even though they have no interest in it. Even as late as a couple years ago he was asked if he'd ever remaster them. Basic questions to EA from the media like "But why not?" simply go answered.
Richard Garriott, the creator of the Ultima RPG series, says he's made attempts to revive the games with remasters but was blocked from doing so by publisher EA.
Asked by an Ultima fan on Twitter whether he'd considered the idea of remastering the classic RPGs, Garriott confirmed that the matter is out of his hands.
"I would... EA wouldn't let me. We have tried."
(End nerd sidebar)
Now imagine the federal government which deals with 10,000 times more important and dangerous stuff with 1000 times the overly complicated bureaucracy and interior power struggles and financial corruption of even a big private sector company. I'm utterly shocked any time you can ever get any movement or straight answers about anything, no matter how trivial or big.
Ultimately, I think it's a combination of our own high-tech stuff (and fakes, and technical errors or glitches, etc.) presided over by a giant monolith of incompetent and corrupt bureaucrats where one hand doesn't know what the other is doing and nothing can ever get done or made clear because of the weight of the whole craptastic mess.
Half of them probably don't even know who they're supposed to answer to and the overriding concern for everyone is to just not rock the boat. I don't see any reason that generation after generation of people in that type of government should be assigned the kind of magical powers of obfuscation they get. Try to get a passport these days.
And yet most people want more and more government, it blows my ever-living mind. It's garbage.
Not gonna scan all these pages to see if it was talked about, so I'll just that I thought the UFO series by JJ Abrams on Showtime/Paramount+ was pretty good. And I'm fairly skeptical of all this.
Watch the Burchett and Luna press conference.
They were flat out accusing Generals of defying Congress and said they won't stand for it.
Also, they got in a yelling matches with some Generals.
The permanent bureaucracy vampires, "security state" :
By refusing to cooperate where they are legally obligated to do so, they have only increased the credibility of claims that they have been doing things illegally for decades, and have drawn immense public scrutiny, and should be held finally accountable.
They were flat out accusing Generals of defying Congress and said they won't stand for it.
Also, they got in a yelling matches with some Generals.
The permanent bureaucracy vampires, "security state" :
By refusing to cooperate where they are legally obligated to do so, they have only increased the credibility of claims that they have been doing things illegally for decades, and have drawn immense public scrutiny, and should be held finally accountable.
Oh yeah, I watched it all and the follow-up interviews. There are undoubtedly power hungry and corrupt people within and also agencies as a whole operating practically autonomously without oversight within the federal government. I'm sure that's going on whether or not aliens are involved though and I don't think it necessarily follows that their obstruction means a "gotcha".Redstone said:
Watch the Burchett and Luna press conference.
They were flat out accusing Generals of defying Congress and said they won't stand for it.
Also, they got in a yelling matches with some Generals.
The permanent bureaucracy vampires, "security state" :
By refusing to cooperate where they are legally obligated to do so, they have only increased the credibility of claims that they have been doing things illegally for decades, and have drawn immense public scrutiny, and should be held finally accountable.
I can easily see a situation where a serious general focused on a very real military project has minor congressmen show up asking to see the aliens that would make him rudely dismiss them without it implying anything beyond that. To most people in the real world this stuff is still laughed at on its face.
If Burchett and the others were truly illegally blocked then I would hope that (and I can't believe I'm saying this) Congress would get to the bottom of it quickly in a united kind of way. One thing both parties agree on is they don't want their power challenged.
I hate it, but I remain convinced, there is no way through......
"national security, lawyers, pass the buck, compromise/neutralize the witnesses and/or relevant authorities"
What are you going to do?
"national security, lawyers, pass the buck, compromise/neutralize the witnesses and/or relevant authorities"
What are you going to do?
My solution is always the same and the only one I can see working, which is to reduce the size and power of government as much as possible at every opportunity. Of course, that never happens, so here we are..Agristotle said:
I hate it, but I remain convinced, there is no way through......
"national security, lawyers, pass the buck, compromise/neutralize the witnesses and/or relevant authorities"
What are you going to do?
The EPA, the CIA, the IRS, the FBI, the Pentagon, and basically all the rest of them are out of control. the vast majority of power is within career bureaucrats that don't answer to anybody.
So, did I miss it or is it just Grusch and the two pilots that have been interviewed a lot already? Don't think this will move the needle at all if so.
It won't move the needle among people like us, but these hearings are designed for the greater public/political landscape, the vast majority of which hasn't ever heard from these witnesses. One of the primary goals to raise awareness beyond podcasts and social media, and have sound bites from these hearings playing on the evening news.
And again, this is just a warmup.
That said, these politicians having direct access to Grusch is a pretty big deal. They're going to have the chance to ask him some very pointed questions, in a non-edited/produced environment.
That said, these politicians having direct access to Grusch is a pretty big deal. They're going to have the chance to ask him some very pointed questions, in a non-edited/produced environment.
Yep, I agree. I'm very curious whether the tone of questions to him is more encouraging or challenging. But I think overall he's the main draw of this.TCTTS said:
And again, this is just a warmup.
That said, these politicians having direct access to Grusch is a pretty big deal. They're going to have the chance to ask him some very pointed questions, in a non-edited/produced environment.
Burchett's interest is both personal and informed by his representation of Knoxville, a very major retirement area of military, of intel, and of their contractors.
It's like when Porter Goss or another central coastal FL guy rotates in or out … or multiple CIA people now representing VA. Or much of CA before Cheney decimated bases / contractors and it became a one party state.
Only that permanent bureaucracy rotation was / is depressing and this is GOOD.
That's why Burchett pushes so hard:
1.) it's legit
2). retired military / Intel / contractors are PISSED
It's time. Disclose.
It's like when Porter Goss or another central coastal FL guy rotates in or out … or multiple CIA people now representing VA. Or much of CA before Cheney decimated bases / contractors and it became a one party state.
Only that permanent bureaucracy rotation was / is depressing and this is GOOD.
That's why Burchett pushes so hard:
1.) it's legit
2). retired military / Intel / contractors are PISSED
It's time. Disclose.
Show us the goods!
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
TCTTS said:
It won't move the needle among people like us, but these hearings are designed for the greater public/political landscape, the vast majority of which hasn't ever heard from these witnesses. One of the primary goals to raise awareness beyond podcasts and social media, and have sound bites from these hearings playing on the evening news.
Maybe this will get more people talking about it. I've randomly asked friends, coworkers if they've heard of these claims being made. Not if they believe them or not, just if they've heard about it. 3/4 didn't know about any of it.
Another very interesting interview from Shawn Ryan with someone who worked in Antartica
Circling back to Kirby's statement last week. The US Secretary of Defense basically said straight up .... yes, UAP's are a real thingie and they're having an huge impact on our pilot training ranges. How are we suppose to train our pilots with all those UAP's flying around? It's a damn hot mess out there right now and we've got to get to the bottom of it. (paraphrased of course ... but not much).TCTTS said:NEW - White House on UFOs: "Some of these phenomena we know have already had an impact on our training ranges."pic.twitter.com/wbo7KyAMLX
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) July 17, 2023
LMAO. Seriously?
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