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This is Chuck Schumer. It instantly makes me wonder what he has to gain on this. He is as deep state as you can get.

If we assume that the deep state is in control of all of this info and is at the heart of what we are doing behind the scenes, why is Schumer now leading the charge to expose it?

Me thinks that they know the cat is out of the bag and now they are going to have Schumer come out as some savior out to expose the dirty secrets. Only thing is if he becomes the "spokesman" for bringing out the "truth" he (and the deep state) can control the narrative and what all comes out.

Schumer is a plant. A controlled plant.

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If ufo/uap do not exist, then the govt was not involved in a conspiracy/misinformation campaign for the past 80+ years. If they're not real, then the misinformation campaign started 4 years ago.

The Pentagon confirming The NY Times article is an inflection point because it reduces the debate to two possibilities:

The govt is involved in a 4 year old misinformation campaign

Or

Strange objects are violating our airspace

Joes said:

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Rocagnante said:

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If ufo/uap do not exist, then the govt was not involved in a conspiracy/misinformation campaign for the past 80+ years. If they're not real, then the misinformation campaign started 4 years ago.

The Pentagon confirming The NY Times article is an inflection point because it reduces the debate to two possibilities:

The govt is involved in a 4 year old misinformation campaign

Or

Strange objects are violating our airspace

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Of those two options this one seems the most plausible to me.

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Me too but it's becoming less plausible the more senators jump into it, former officials come forward, etc.

For me the most compelling evidence brought forward is the recent testimony of the Navy pilots and their encounters.

But then Grusch claims we have a dozen craft, which I find unbelievable.

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For me the most compelling evidence brought forward is the recent testimony of the Navy pilots and their encounters.

But then Grusch claims we have a dozen craft, which I find unbelievable.

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Yeah, but that was the point I was making yesterday. If the supposedly credible claims are that we actually have craft and bodies in our hands and have actually entered into agreements with these beings, then watching pilots testify at these hearings about why a distant object seems to be doing strange things makes NO sense at all. It would be like going to the police to ask for traffic camera footage of a car and driver that's sitting in your garage and who you've been talking to.

Re: eminent domain - if E.T. lands in my backyard and wants me to help him phone home, I'm going out guns blazing keep the government away from him.

From Ross:

(Referring to Grusch) - "And he sought permission to talk about non-human intelligence. crash retrievals, and indeed, allegedly, agreements with these non-human intelligences."

I'm fascinated about how we're going to let everyone around the world know that some guy named Bob, who runs the secret retrieval program without any oversight or involvement from our representative government, solely made a deal with these otherworldly creatures that they could dissect some people in Africa in exchange for letting him drive their spaceship around for a while.

These weren't distant objects to the Navy pilots. They were right there next to them interacting with them according to the testimony. Confirmed by radar data as well.

Rocagnante said:

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These weren't distant objects to the Navy pilots. They were right there next to them interacting with them according to the testimony. Confirmed by radar data as well.

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Regardless, that info would be pretty insignificant if we already have a dozen or more of those craft in our possession.

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Rocagnante said:

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These weren't distant objects to the Navy pilots. They were right there next to them interacting with them according to the testimony. Confirmed by radar data as well.

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Regardless, that info would be pretty insignificant if we already have a dozen or more of those craft in our possession.

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Of course.

Im just saying right now I find the Navy pilots claims to be more believable than Grusch's claims. Either way we need more proof.

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Fims of James Fox, especially The Phenomenon

Ron James, "Accidental Truth-UFO Revelations."

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The Phenomenon is really good. Watched it this morning on YouTubeTV on the Travel Channel. It's basically a chronological review of the most compelling sightings and the Air Force's reaction to them. Very interesting, and if you've never paid any attention to any of this because it just seems too ridiculous to waste your time on, required viewing.

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From Ross:

(Referring to Grusch) - "And he sought permission to talk about non-human intelligence. crash retrievals, and indeed, allegedly, agreements with these non-human intelligences."

I'm fascinated about how we're going to let everyone around the world know that some guy named Bob, who runs the secret retrieval program without any oversight or involvement from our representative government, solely made a deal with these otherworldly creatures that they could dissect some people in Africa in exchange for letting him drive their spaceship around for a while.

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I'm NOT saying I believe this, but the rumor has always been that it was Eisenhower who made the deal in the '50s, not some random secret program head named Bob.

TCTTS said:

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Joes said:

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From Ross:

(Referring to Grusch) - "And he sought permission to talk about non-human intelligence. crash retrievals, and indeed, allegedly, agreements with these non-human intelligences."

I'm fascinated about how we're going to let everyone around the world know that some guy named Bob, who runs the secret retrieval program without any oversight or involvement from our representative government, solely made a deal with these otherworldly creatures that they could dissect some people in Africa in exchange for letting him drive their spaceship around for a while.

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I'm NOT saying I believe this, but the rumor has always been that it was Eisenhower who made the deal in the '50s, not some random secret program head named Bob.

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Have you read about that rumor? It's all because Dwight had an unscheduled visit to the dentist one night.

I wouldn't get excited about Schumer jumping in. Schumer's about Schumer, what's best for humanity and country means nothing to him. If anything, he's more likely to sell out and obfuscate in order to cash out.

I still think it'll be hard to get anything concrete. All the players, DoD, CIA, aerospace will just deny and point the finger elsewhere. An interesting detail will be if any of the announced speakers drop out or dummy up.

TCTTS said:

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Joes said:

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From Ross:

(Referring to Grusch) - "And he sought permission to talk about non-human intelligence. crash retrievals, and indeed, allegedly, agreements with these non-human intelligences."

I'm fascinated about how we're going to let everyone around the world know that some guy named Bob, who runs the secret retrieval program without any oversight or involvement from our representative government, solely made a deal with these otherworldly creatures that they could dissect some people in Africa in exchange for letting him drive their spaceship around for a while.

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I'm NOT saying I believe this, but the rumor has always been that it was Eisenhower who made the deal in the '50s, not some random secret program head named Bob.

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Well, that would certainly be much better than my scenario. I guess I still don't even understand how widespread this knowledge is supposed to be. I gathered from most things I've seen and read that it's supposed to be confined to top secret organizations within the government, not actually going to the top. If the executive branch is in on it then we have to accept that every president since the 50s, (and presumably some vice presidents and staff and others) has known about it. Carter, Bush, Obama, Trump, and Biden are all among the keepers of the secret. That's a little hard to envision without throwing up a little.

After Eisenhower, it was rumored to be on a "need to know" basis, even for Presidents, and the last rumored President to be briefed was Bush Sr., due strictly to his CIA involvement.

Still skeptical all this amounts to anything

Although this is very encouraging, until & unless the overly restrictive UAP security classification guide is revised, there will be little public benefit as virtually all recent data, including UAP videos, will be classified. Congress should press ahead for this guidance to be… https://t.co/JLQdPQoMka

— Christopher K. Mellon (@ChrisKMellon) July 14, 2023

Like I said, no proof or video or anything like it from this first hearing. Just claims. But from a group of credible officials this time, not just a lone whistleblower. This will be a process…

no way they told Trump. No chance he could keep THAT secret.
And they wouldn't tell Biden for fear he would confuse it with a movie and start talking about it.

It's out there that CIA head Bush told President Carter he wasn't cleared for the UFO dox.

The thing that gets me and that should make people cautious is that I can show you guys countless accounts of eucharistic miracles and such with photo and video evidence and witnessed by crowds of people including mayors and doctors and popes, etc. that I'm betting wouldn't be persuasive at all to nonreligious people (of which I'm one). And in fact that would likely receive mostly mockery from the same people who can't understand why witness testimony and inconclusive photos of UFOs are not taken seriously here. There doesn't seem to be a lot of overlap between religious people and UFO enthusiasts except for the vocal crowd you see on every thread and video claiming that the UAPs are real because they're actually demons right out of the bible. Holy smokes, am I seeing that a lot..

I've got nothing better to do on this Saturday afternoon so I'm watching the Phenomenon (I'm halfway through). It's dramatic and entertaining, but again, I can't put it out of my mind that there's some group of people who are absolutely convinced that all sorts of things are real and that there's evidence everywhere for it, whether it's Bigfoot or the megalodon shark or ghosts. So it's hard not to be dismissive of everything and everyone unless I personally see/witness something undeniable when it comes to extraordinary claims or have overwhelming physical evidence presented to me. No amount of credibility "assigned" to people can ever persuade me. I am really curious about how most react to the first round of hearings, though. I'm betting that almost no one changes their opinion on either side and then we'll just need to wait some more to see what happens. The psychology of all this is what's most interesting to me.

People have been worshiping and telling stories of Gods and Spirits since the dawn of man.

They have believed that there was something bigger and more powerful then themselves. None of this is new.

Houston Lee said:

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People have been worshiping and telling stories of Gods and Spirits since the dawn of man.

They have believed that there was something bigger and more powerful then themselves. None of this is new.

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Exactly. My point was simply that people clearly have different standards for evidence depending on whether or not it's something they want to believe in. There are large numbers of people who are convinced traditional ghosts are real and have been documented and they'll offer tons of photos and video as evidence and there are also countless people, "too many to dismiss" as UFO people would term it, who have anecdotal stories of those ghostly encounters.

So from my skeptical perspective of treating it all at the same low level of confidence, it's just interesting to watch the different groups mock each other sometimes (admittedly there are some who believe in every supernatural and theoretical premise that exists at the same time) when they're all using the same level of "evidence."

If one wants to truly be thoughtful about analyzing this stuff then it might be a good exercise to go watch some documentaries showing "beyond any real doubt" that Christian miracles are real or that spectral ghosts are real and see if they're convincing too or if you're applying a whole different set of eyes to it because you just know those people are crazy.

This case rivals Travis Walton for its credibility, IMO.

https://theunexplained.tv/episodes/edition-740-philip-mantle-pascagoula-extended

"Philip Mantle and Irena McCammon Scott's new book on the Pascagoula alien abduction of October 1973 is due out in September. It includes much fresh information and a lot of data unseen for nearly fifty years."

Rocagnante said:

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If ufo/uap do not exist, then the govt was not involved in a conspiracy/misinformation campaign for the past 80+ years. If they're not real, then the misinformation campaign started 4 years ago.

The Pentagon confirming The NY Times article is an inflection point because it reduces the debate to two possibilities:

The govt is involved in a 4 year old misinformation campaign

Or

Strange objects are violating our airspace

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A couple of months after the vehicle crashes in 1947, the CIA was formed..

Not our airspace.

"I would do it [study UFOs], but before agreeing to do it, we must insist upon full access to discs (EXTRATERRESTRIAL vehicle) recovered. For instance, in the L.A. case, the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination." J. Edgar Hoover-Director of FBI

The security guard called and said, "Sir, there's a glowing red object hovering right outside the front gate. I've got all the men out here with their weapons drawn." We lost between 16-18 ICBMs (nuclear tipped Inter Continental Ballistic Missiles) at the same time UFOs were in the area… (A high-ranking Air Force officer) said,

"Stop the investigation; do no more on this and do not write a final report. I heard that many of the guards that reported the incident were sent off to Vietnam." Captain Robert Salas, USAF, during a videotaped interview for the Disclosure program.

"A few insiders know the truth...and are studying the bodies that have been discovered." -Dr. Edgar Mitchell Apollo 14..the 6th NASA employee to walk on the Moon.

"Maximum security exists concerning the subject of UFOs." CIA Director, Allen Dulles, 1955.

"It's still classified above Top Secret." - Senator Barry Goldwater, 1975

"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense." Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.

"We alone cannot take credit for our technological advances,we have had help from people of other worlds". Dr. Herman Oberth, father of rocketry and aeronautics - American Weekly 1954

D"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false" -William Casey, CIA director, 1981


"Yes, there have been ET visitations. There have been crashed craft. There have been material and bodies recovered. There has been a certain amount of reverse engineering that has allowed some of these craft, or some components, to be duplicated. And there is some group of people that may or may not be associated with the government at this point that have this knowledge. They have been attempting to conceal this knowledge. People in high level government have very little, if any, valid information about this. It has been the subject of disinformation in order to deflect attention and create confusion so the truth doesn't come out. " Edgar D. Mitchell, The Way of the Explorer: An Apollo Astronaut's Journey Through the Material and Mystical World

AFFIDAVIT (1) My name is Thomas Jefferson Dubose (2) My address is: XXXXXXXXXX (3) I retired from the U.S. Air force in 1959 with the rank of Brigadier General. (4) In July 1947, I was stationed at Fort Worth Army Air Field [later Carswell Air Force Base] in Fort Worth, Texas. I served as Chief of Staff to Major General Roger Ramey, Commander, Eighth Air Force. I had the rank of Colonel. (5) In early July, I received a phone call from Maj. Gen. Clements McMullen, Deputy Commander, Strategic Air Command. He asked what we knew about the object which had been recovered outside Roswell, New Mexico, as reported in the press. I called Col. William Blanchard, Commander of the Roswell Army Air Field, and directed him to send the material in a sealed container to me at Fort Worth. I so informed Maj. Gen. McMullen. (6) After the plane from Roswell arrived with the material, I asked the Base Commander, Col. Al Clark, to take possession of the material and to personally transport it in a B-26 to Maj. Gen. McMullen in Washington, D.C. I notified Maj. Gen. McMullen, and he told me he would send the material by personal courier on his plane to Benjamin Chidlaw, Commanding General of the Air Material Command at Wright Field [later Wright Patterson AFB]. The entire operation was conducted under the strictest secrecy. (7) The material shown in the photographs taken in Maj. Gen. Ramey's office was a weather balloon. The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press. (8) I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, which is the truth to the best of my recollection. Signed: T. J. Dubose Date: 9/16/91 Signature witnessed by: Linda R. Split Notary Public, State of Florida.

"There exists a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself. " Daniel Inouye Senate Select Committee on Secret Military Assistance to Iran and the Nicaraguan Opposition (Iran-Contra hearings) (1987)

REMOTE VIEWING (a technique developed by our CIA and Stanford Research Institute) PER FARSIGHT INSTITUTE data suggests...Genesis 19:24 Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven...perhaps it was someone else? AND..As the Quran has it, Prophet Muhammad took a night trip to heaven aboard a trusty winged pony-horse-mule-ish creature called Buraq...or maybe it was something entirely different?

Many other topics begin to make sense..

It has been said that after President Carter was finally briefed on the et reality, he was deeply upset. For several weeks..

MEANINGFUL congressional hearings might be a good place to start ala the Watergate hearings, including aerospace/defense contractors and others such as Bob Lazar, Andrew Basiago and Vice Admiral Thomas R. Wilson must be held to address a vital issue that transcends politics and we will never properly advance until it happens: The 75+yr ongoing-constitutionally illegal, EXTRATERRESTRIAL and associated TIME TRAVEL and SECRET SPACE PROGRAMS cover-ups. It would also be nice to know what the results of the many years/projects involving the back-engineering of recovered "vehicles" are. Who has been footing the bill for that? How can we truly believe anything our elected officials say?

The longer an "official" disclosure is delayed...the more disruptive it could be and the longer our slavery will stay entrenched. The general public is waiting to be given permission to believe...to know.


The dog and pony shows must cease.

I hadn't had a chance to really go through this Schumer legislation yet, but the thread below provides a great summary of the highlights, and this whole thing is even crazier than I thought. I mean, the bill all but confirms that our government (via defense contractors) is in possession of alien craft/bodies. It then explicitly states that all records, recovered technology, and biological organisms related to UAP be turned over within 300 days of the bill's enactment. Meanwhile, within 90 days of the bill's enactment, the freaking President of the United States will appoint nine members to a newly formed "UAP Review Board" in order to "facilitate public disclosure of UAP." The Senate will hold confirmation hearings for these appointees, and the review board will decide what of this info is made public, with the end goal being "comprehensive open scientific and technological research and development" based on this craft/tech.

And it's literally called the "Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena Disclosure Act of 2023"

IMO, there's just no other way to interpret what all this means and how monumental it is…

So a pretty intersting piece of legislation is flying under the radar right now (pun intened). So I wanted to do as concise of a thread as possible to break down this legislation. Full text is linked.

Let's approach this subject seriously.https://t.co/PIUHjtbTdl pic.twitter.com/eVQxLFRiy5

— Ken Kirtland IV (@KenKirtland17) July 17, 2023

This simply is not a bill that comes into existence from nothing.

The President is appointing this board for crying out loud.

Bipartisan support.

House holding UAP hearing this month, Senate in August.

Simply just too much smoke now.

— Ken Kirtland IV (@KenKirtland17) July 17, 2023

The bill itself:
https://www.democrats.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/uap_amendment.pdf

Another good summary, with some really interesting additional context...

My article on the new UFO legislation is now available to everyone.https://t.co/XHSUcN5Fs0

— ᴋʟᴀᵾs (@tinyklaus) July 17, 2023

Disclosure is literally unfolding right now.

Either aliens exist, or the disclosure is of massive lying and manipulation. I know which way I am betting.

Sorry if some of these were already posted...

After reflecting on Sen. Schumer’s remarkable legislation, a thought:

Given the decades-long stigma associated with UAP, the level of credibility, specificity and corroboration of the underlying intel must have been *extraordinary* to make it a priority for the US’ top lawmaker.

— MarikvR (@MvonRen) July 15, 2023

Note that it was drafted w/ bipartisan concurrence in complete secrecy.

Nary a leak until NYT got the 24 hrs heads up (from someone…), but it’s clear that they didn’t get the full bill (or Julian intentionally downplayed what he did see).

Just a bomb dropped on the DC press… https://t.co/aSEdPTYDq1

— Matthew Pines (@matthew_pines) July 15, 2023

'Sources have disclosed to LT that, although fronting the new legislation, Senator Chuck Schumer’s staff & others in Senate have been in coordination with various quarters of the U.S. government, including the White House and its National Security Council to create the language.' https://t.co/je5M9yo35s

— Christopher Sharp (@ChrisUKSharp) July 15, 2023

There’s a sudden hard industry crackdown on all things UAP. All engineering teams (my company and a second I know of) told no press contact, including anonymous/unnamed. All exotic materials or craft questions are to be referred to AARO. I hope Kirkpatrick is up to the task.

— Condorman (@Condorman6) July 13, 2023

If UFOs weren’t an election issue before, they sure as shit are now.

— ᴋʟᴀᵾs (@tinyklaus) July 14, 2023

Well, the buildup to something is certainly noticeable. I still don't expect any kind of smoking gun now or 300 days from now or 300 years from now, but we'll see. I'm pretty confident we'll just end up back where we are now, believers vs skeptics. The summary from the government will be "We have seen some interesting things that we can't fully explain but they will remain classified." And both sides will say "See, I told you so!" But maybe I'm wrong, and if I am then great. You can't blame people for being jaded, it's been decade after decade of The Boy Who Cried Wolf so far.

In fact, I'm genuinely curious. There's no right or wrong answer but for those who are convinced that true disclosure is imminent, what exactly does that definition mean to you? What's the minimum level of info/evidence required to make you accept that we've had actual disclosure?

In other words, if we could fast-forward 2 years then what would make you say "Wow, I can't believe last year we finally witnessed disclosure from the government that we waited so long for!"?

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In fact, I'm genuinely curious. There's no right or wrong answer but for those who are convinced that true disclosure is imminent, what exactly does that definition mean to you? What's the minimum level of info/evidence required to make you accept that we've had actual disclosure?

In other words, if we could fast-forward 2 years then what would make you say "Wow, I can't believe last year we finally witnessed disclosure from the government that we waited so long for!"?

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At this point, just hearing or reading about it isn't enough anymore.

To take it to the next level (disclosure), there needs to be picture/video evidence (more than the tic tacs speeding across the screen).

Beyond that would be testimony that actual contact has been made.

I understand that we probably won't see the best stuff at first, but that's where I'm at.

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Joes said:

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In fact, I'm genuinely curious. There's no right or wrong answer but for those who are convinced that true disclosure is imminent, what exactly does that definition mean to you? What's the minimum level of info/evidence required to make you accept that we've had actual disclosure?

In other words, if we could fast-forward 2 years then what would make you say "Wow, I can't believe last year we finally witnessed disclosure from the government that we waited so long for!"?

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At this point, just hearing or reading about it isn't enough anymore.

To take it to the next level (disclosure), there needs to be picture/video evidence (more than the tic tacs speeding across the screen).

Beyond that would be testimony that actual contact has been made.

I understand that we probably won't see the best stuff at first, but that's where I'm at.

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Ok, I appreciate that and I'm curious what others think, too.

It's a legitimate question because no matter what they release or don't release, aren't we back to the same spot of uncertainty? To me it seems like each individual interested in this has something specific they expect to hear to validate what they've always suspected and if they don't hear that they're going to claim the coverup continues.