TCTTS said:
Sounds familiar…So @neiltyson
— Jon Hudson (@_Desmoden) July 14, 2023
You really think that #DavidGrusch
1.) Gave up his career
2.) Lied to the AG
3.) Convinced the AG his lie was real.
4.) Arranged for others to lie to the AG as well.
5.) Testified under oath
All so he can sell books?
That is your well thought out analysis?
“…it’s long past time they get some answers,” said Leader Schumer. “The American public has a right to learn about technologies of unknown origins, non-human intelligence, and unexplainable phenomena.”
— Daniel Miller (SiCcOp) (@SicCoP1) July 14, 2023
-Schumer
Well this is unexpected.https://t.co/v4JPdASDXe
These proposed UAP laws are quite extraordinary. They openly concede the possibility that someone is concealing recovered Non-Earth technologies, and biological evidence - bodies?
— Ross Coulthart (@rosscoulthart) July 14, 2023
If passed, there is no going back from what these laws might soon reveal. https://t.co/4Fsxs3HGgu
The new UFO amendment gives the government eminent domain over exotic materials and “biological evidence of non-human intelligence.”https://t.co/61HoxWBKRi pic.twitter.com/LZ8mGFCMnk
— ᴋʟᴀᵾs (@tinyklaus) July 14, 2023
UFOs and alien bodies.
— ᴋʟᴀᵾs (@tinyklaus) July 14, 2023
In official US legislation.https://t.co/JB1WpqIW6S pic.twitter.com/6Pwq07CwzM
🔥🔥🔥 This is the Senate Majority Leader for the Democrats.
— 💭 think tank (@528vibes) July 14, 2023
I can confidently say that he is aware of the crashed retrieval programs.
Historic.
(#UFOTwitter #UFO #UFOs #UFOSightings #UAPTwitter #UAPs #UAP) pic.twitter.com/8JultuATUn
I mean.
— Adam Goldsack (@AdamGoldsack) July 14, 2023
What the fuck.
It’s just there in text, clear as day.
‘technologies of unknown origin and biological evidence non-human intelligences’ #UFOTwitter #UAPTwitter #EndUAPSecrecy https://t.co/DWJY6itqTr
What the f*ck is happening. #UFOtwitter pic.twitter.com/7RUXdg3gsg
— Somewhere in the Skies Podcast (@SomewhereSkies) July 14, 2023
Can’t overstate how much the calculus has now changed going into hearings with whistleblowers.
— Lester Nare (@lesternare) July 14, 2023
It’s possible part of the scheduling delay gymnastics with the hearings was wanting to have new NDAA draft language out to set the context and a backdrop you can’t walk back from.
I notice your winky face, but still, for what it's worth they're specifically saying a really big unmovable craft is in another country.Bregxit said:Finders keepers. Our soil, our stuff. Get your own.Joes said:
3) Under one noteworthy provision, the federal government would assert eminent domain (ownership) over any "recovered technologies of unknown origin" and "biological evidence of non-human intelligence" currently under private control.
This part is interesting. Obviously, I'm skeptical of what will actually come of all this but of course I'm at least open to the possibility something will. All I've been saying is show me, don't tell me.
But then the question is that in the hypothetical event that technology and/or entities from literally another world or dimension becomes public knowledge, exactly how does the U.S. government alone publicly say "it's all ours!". I would imagine every country in the world would say that this isn't an American issue, it's a world issue, give it to the U.N.
Well, regardless, I just can't see an outcome where "firsties" are acknowledged publicly (and then globally accepted) of craft, and beings, and actual diplomacy with another world.Bregxit said:
US eminent domain is not applicable on foreign soil. They're referring to say if Lockheed has something here in the US then the US govt claims eminent domain over it.
I can call us that now for you if it helps!West Point Aggie said:
I wish the aliens would just show up…call us what we are…filthy, ass-backwards and unenlightened apes…and put us all in a zoo…
Bregxit said:
US eminent domain is not applicable on foreign soil. They're referring to say if Lockheed has something here in the US then the US govt claims eminent domain over it.
Joes said:Well, regardless, I just can't see an outcome where "firsties" are acknowledged publicly (and then globally accepted) of craft, and beings, and actual diplomacy with another world.Bregxit said:
US eminent domain is not applicable on foreign soil. They're referring to say if Lockheed has something here in the US then the US govt claims eminent domain over it.
That, I can understand and is basically how I was reading it. But if this is made public then I sure don't see how it only remains a question of whether American private companies or the American government has legal possession. 194 other countries are going to demand access and this is something that the whole world would isolate us over instantly.TCTTS said:Joes said:Well, regardless, I just can't see an outcome where "firsties" are acknowledged publicly (and then globally accepted) of craft, and beings, and actual diplomacy with another world.Bregxit said:
US eminent domain is not applicable on foreign soil. They're referring to say if Lockheed has something here in the US then the US govt claims eminent domain over it.
If any of this is real, of course, building on what Bregxit said (which was spot on), our government "owned" these craft first. And then, in the late '60s, because of the Freedom of Information Act, and increasingly prying eyes, our government basically farmed these craft out to the Lockheed and the like. A few top dogs in the government were/are still technically in charge, but for plausible deniability purposes, the tech was placed in the possession of these aerospace companies. And now, our broader government, who has since been made aware of all of this, is essentially asking for them back. It sounds like one of the issues, though, is that in the 60+ years since we handed these craft off, the aerospace companies have essentially pissed all over them, marking their territory, so to speak, and don't want to give any of them back.
Joes said:That, I can understand and is basically how I was reading it. But if this is made public then I sure don't see how it only remains a question of whether American private companies or the American government has legal possession. 194 other countries are going to demand access and this is something that the whole world would isolate us over instantly.TCTTS said:Joes said:Well, regardless, I just can't see an outcome where "firsties" are acknowledged publicly (and then globally accepted) of craft, and beings, and actual diplomacy with another world.Bregxit said:
US eminent domain is not applicable on foreign soil. They're referring to say if Lockheed has something here in the US then the US govt claims eminent domain over it.
If any of this is real, of course, building on what Bregxit said (which was spot on), our government "owned" these craft first. And then, in the late '60s, because of the Freedom of Information Act, and increasingly prying eyes, our government basically farmed these craft out to the Lockheed and the like. A few top dogs in the government were/are still technically in charge, but for plausible deniability purposes, the tech was placed in the possession of these aerospace companies. And now, our broader government, who has since been made aware of all of this, is essentially asking for them back. It sounds like one of the issues, though, is that in the 60+ years since we handed these craft off, the aerospace companies have essentially pissed all over them, marking their territory, so to speak, and don't want to give any of them back.
I find it hard to believe that if there's anything to this that only the U.S. government has ever gotten to every single event all over the world first.
And then you're saying that Russia and China will be A-Ok with us essentially divulging their topmost secrets by default, too?Michael Cera Palin said:Joes said:That, I can understand and is basically how I was reading it. But if this is made public then I sure don't see how it only remains a question of whether American private companies or the American government has legal possession. 194 other countries are going to demand access and this is something that the whole world would isolate us over instantly.TCTTS said:Joes said:Well, regardless, I just can't see an outcome where "firsties" are acknowledged publicly (and then globally accepted) of craft, and beings, and actual diplomacy with another world.Bregxit said:
US eminent domain is not applicable on foreign soil. They're referring to say if Lockheed has something here in the US then the US govt claims eminent domain over it.
If any of this is real, of course, building on what Bregxit said (which was spot on), our government "owned" these craft first. And then, in the late '60s, because of the Freedom of Information Act, and increasingly prying eyes, our government basically farmed these craft out to the Lockheed and the like. A few top dogs in the government were/are still technically in charge, but for plausible deniability purposes, the tech was placed in the possession of these aerospace companies. And now, our broader government, who has since been made aware of all of this, is essentially asking for them back. It sounds like one of the issues, though, is that in the 60+ years since we handed these craft off, the aerospace companies have essentially pissed all over them, marking their territory, so to speak, and don't want to give any of them back.
I find it hard to believe that if there's anything to this that only the U.S. government has ever gotten to every single event all over the world first.
In the assumption this is all true, I doubt we're the only country that has craft. Sure, some of our allies may have deferred to us (they already do with nuclear weapons) and delivered stuff for us to analyze. Again, assuming this is all true, and US companies have craft, then there's no doubt in my mind China and Russia do too. We just happen to have a government system which allows for something like this to unfold in this way.
Joes said:And then you're saying that Russia and China will be A-Ok with us essentially divulging their topmost secrets by default, too?Michael Cera Palin said:Joes said:That, I can understand and is basically how I was reading it. But if this is made public then I sure don't see how it only remains a question of whether American private companies or the American government has legal possession. 194 other countries are going to demand access and this is something that the whole world would isolate us over instantly.TCTTS said:Joes said:Well, regardless, I just can't see an outcome where "firsties" are acknowledged publicly (and then globally accepted) of craft, and beings, and actual diplomacy with another world.Bregxit said:
US eminent domain is not applicable on foreign soil. They're referring to say if Lockheed has something here in the US then the US govt claims eminent domain over it.
If any of this is real, of course, building on what Bregxit said (which was spot on), our government "owned" these craft first. And then, in the late '60s, because of the Freedom of Information Act, and increasingly prying eyes, our government basically farmed these craft out to the Lockheed and the like. A few top dogs in the government were/are still technically in charge, but for plausible deniability purposes, the tech was placed in the possession of these aerospace companies. And now, our broader government, who has since been made aware of all of this, is essentially asking for them back. It sounds like one of the issues, though, is that in the 60+ years since we handed these craft off, the aerospace companies have essentially pissed all over them, marking their territory, so to speak, and don't want to give any of them back.
I find it hard to believe that if there's anything to this that only the U.S. government has ever gotten to every single event all over the world first.
In the assumption this is all true, I doubt we're the only country that has craft. Sure, some of our allies may have deferred to us (they already do with nuclear weapons) and delivered stuff for us to analyze. Again, assuming this is all true, and US companies have craft, then there's no doubt in my mind China and Russia do too. We just happen to have a government system which allows for something like this to unfold in this way.
People are not really processing what is happening right now.
— Lester Nare (@lesternare) July 14, 2023
The Senate Majority Leader @SenSchumer just said, “The American public has a right to learn about technologies of unknown origins, non-human intelligence, and unexplainable phenomena.”https://t.co/euesRDSSXu
“The lawmakers say “the sheer number and variety” of stories about UFOs have led some of them and their colleagues to believe the executive branch may be concealing information about possible visits from extra-planetary civilizations.”
— Lester Nare (@lesternare) July 14, 2023
Ummm, what???
AND as Ross C brought up, what if contractors had been 'given' NHI stuff or found some on their own? Now the gov just wants to snatch some of the world's most valuable goods? Sounds like a court case to me.
— UFO Titan (@ThanosAlpha) July 15, 2023
Public UAP Hearing will be July 26.
— Mike Colangelo (@MikeColangelo) July 15, 2023
Witnesses names will be revealed a week prior.
It’s on like fucking Donkey Kong. #ufotwitter #uaptwitter #ufos #ufo. https://t.co/OfUzTXUg0J
Houston Lee said:
This is Chuck Schumer. It instantly makes me wonder what he has to gain on this. He is as deep state as you can get.
If we assume that the deep state is in control of all of this info and is at the heart of what we are doing behind the scenes, why is Schumer now leading the charge to expose it?
Me thinks that they know the cat is out of the bag and now they are going to have Schumer come out as some savior out to expose the dirty secrets. Only thing is if he becomes the "spokesman" for bringing out the "truth" he (and the deep state) can control the narrative and what all comes out.
Schumer is a plant. A controlled plant.
TCTTS said:
Basically, it sounds like our allies have willingly given any crashed craft to us (maybe two or three total), we've strong armed a couple from a weaker country or two (one or two total), and our enemies have kept theirs for themselves (Russia might have one, and China might have one). Something along those lines, as insane as it all admittedly sounds.
TCTTS said:
As for the hearing itself, again, I don't think we're going to get any kind of smoking gun video or undeniable proof or anything like that. What I do think could a game-changer, though, is the unified front and coordinated messaging of these witnesses - these three, four, five, or however many individuals, Grusch included, who come forward. Especially if one of them actually worked in either the crash retrieval or reverse engineering programs. It sounds like one of them might be Lue Elizondo as well, so say you have Grusch, Elizondo, and, like, three other highly credentialed individuals coming forward, as a team, all claiming that the United States government, in league with an aerospace contractor or two, has in its possession off-world craft and bodies of NHI, it obviously becomes a pretty big story. But still without proof, not one that quite yet sets the world on fire. I think that comes at some point after this hearing - again, perhaps in the next six to nine months or so - but we'll see.
Wrec86 Ag said:TCTTS said:
Basically, it sounds like our allies have willingly given any crashed craft to us (maybe two or three total), we've strong armed a couple from a weaker country or two (one or two total), and our enemies have kept theirs for themselves (Russia might have one, and China might have one). Something along those lines, as insane as it all admittedly sounds.
So how many governments are keeping this secret? And for how long have they been keeping it?
Of also the reasons I am highly skeptical about this subject, the idea that 10? 15? governments could keep a secret for decades is just a non-starter for me.
Wrec86 Ag said:TCTTS said:
As for the hearing itself, again, I don't think we're going to get any kind of smoking gun video or undeniable proof or anything like that. What I do think could a game-changer, though, is the unified front and coordinated messaging of these witnesses - these three, four, five, or however many individuals, Grusch included, who come forward. Especially if one of them actually worked in either the crash retrieval or reverse engineering programs. It sounds like one of them might be Lue Elizondo as well, so say you have Grusch, Elizondo, and, like, three other highly credentialed individuals coming forward, as a team, all claiming that the United States government, in league with an aerospace contractor or two, has in its possession off-world craft and bodies of NHI, it obviously becomes a pretty big story. But still without proof, not one that quite yet sets the world on fire. I think that comes at some point after this hearing - again, perhaps in the next six to nine months or so - but we'll see.
I'll officially go on record (whatever that's worth as an anonymous internet name) that we will still have zero proof on 8/1/2024 of UAP retrieval / non-human bodies, etc. And we will still have a large chunk of the UAP "fanbase" pointing to "next year".
(I chose 8/1 because of the 7/1 deadline next year that you mentioned)
I truly hope that I'm wrong. I would love to be alive if/when the "aliens exist" moment happens in our history.
My expectations are low but my curiosity is high. But yeah, what you wrote is kind of where I'm at, too. I don't realistically see a possibility of a smoking gun anytime soon (or really ever at all), so by the end of this (admittedly possibly only first round) we'll have more witnesses talking about seeing things they can't explain and the people who were already convinced will say "See, I told you so!" and the people who want to see conclusive proof will continue to roll their eyes and say "It's still just people talking!"TCTTS said:
As for the hearing itself, again, I don't think we're going to get any kind of smoking gun video or undeniable proof or anything like that. What I do think could a game-changer, though, is the unified front and coordinated messaging of these witnesses - these three, four, five, or however many individuals, Grusch included, who come forward. Especially if one of them actually worked in either the crash retrieval or reverse engineering programs. It sounds like one of them might be Lue Elizondo as well, so say you have Grusch, Elizondo, and, like, three other highly credentialed individuals coming forward, as a team, all claiming that the United States government, in league with an aerospace contractor or two, has in its possession off-world craft and bodies of NHI, it obviously becomes a pretty big story. But still without proof, not one that quite yet sets the world on fire. I think that comes at some point after this hearing - again, perhaps in the next six to nine months or so - but we'll see.
