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In reply to G Martin 87 • 4:16p, 1/18/24
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G Martin 87 said:
Corbell is getting waaaaay over his skis on this one. Unless he can produce the entire video showing the full path of the object over the base and into the water, his credibility will take a big hit.
Yeah, I am not a huge fan of "There is a video, it exists, but I am not in a position to show it."

Why not? "Well I don't possess that video."

come on...

In that clip does it sound like he is implying he's actually seen the video? Seems like it to me, but he could just be trying to emphasize what he is claiming the object does.
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In reply to MW03 • 4:30p, 1/18/24
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i'm sorry, but that's a literal flying spaghetti monster.
Yes, unidentified.

Just think how far this subject and the stigma have changed since 2017 with the NYT article. We are on a good track IMO.
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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4:47p, 1/18/24
As a skeptic I actually find the "interdimensional beings" idea to be the most intriguing. As strange as it sounds it's the only one that makes sense at this time. Space is simply too big to travel by conventional means, and even going theoretical has issues with space and time. An advanced being having achieved a higher level of consciousness than we currently have, similar to say a human vs. ape, at least seems the slightest bit possible.

That said if you crashed an air plane in the jungle containing the smartest apes in the world, not likely they would ever reverse engineer it. They simply don't have the ability to even understand what it is. That's pretty much how our interactions would be with these higher conscious beings.

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In reply to guadalupeag • 5:00p, 1/18/24
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Reports seem to be 50/50 as to whether we've succeeded in reverse engineering NHI or not. Certain accounts have us at least gleaning clues that led to certain technological breakthroughs, that we then applied to advanced/secret aircraft of our own. Other accounts - the ones I personally find to be a bit more credible - say that the tech is, indeed, so incredibly advanced that we haven't even begun to crack it. They claim we bring it out storage every ten years or so, and let a new team take a shot, but it's the same story every time. It sounds like we understand the basic gist of what it's doing, but that the energy consumption/production is so incredibly massive that even if we fully figured out the science, we could never power it in a thousand years. Where the actual truth falls, who knows...
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In reply to TCTTS • 5:20p, 1/18/24

Perhaps we have made some break throughs and that is one of the items causing the super intense maintenance of the cover-up? Hopefully, we may be on course to finding out. I've heard we may have had "assistance".
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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7:39a, 1/19/24
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This is a cool video someone took of Saturn. Notice something?

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In reply to redline248 • 11:23a, 1/19/24
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"Interdimensional being" isn't a term I like or use, since it assumes some understanding of their nature and of the relationship between our world and theirs which we don't have.

What people are really talking about are beings of unknown origin or nature that don't appear to exist in any physical form we understand…

Whilst I agree that "interdimensional"isn't helpful and probably inaccurate, that doesn't mean we should dismiss the possibility that such beings exist, whether in another "dimension" or elsewhere. Nor should we assume that an explanation for these beings, if and when it comes, will be couched in the language of modern mathematical physics (despite many modern mathematical physicists assuming they've got a solid handle on the structure of reality).

We could be talking about a phenomenon of which we are yet to even approach any kind of understanding. That fact does not make it "garbage" or "bullsh*t".
I almost posted a reply to the Weinstein tweet yesterday similar to this guy's thoughts. The reason I didn't was b/c the point about not having anyone with an advanced degree in one of the fields as part of the conversation is a decent one. In other words, I agree with both of these dudes on this topic.
Yeah, when I posted this yesterday, it was actually in response to that tweet.:
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I don't think Eric was implying from his rant that b/c the terms that are being used don't make sense nor b/c he doesn't understand what they are saying, then it must not be true. He is just stating that it is obvious that prominent scientist either aren't studying it or that they aren't communicating within the agencies,since you would think the whistleblowers would have a better scientific grasp on how to better express "other dimensions".

If you listen to Eric's interviews, it is clear he shares a similar view; he was just ranting about lack of scientific corroboration. Supposedly, he has been approached three times to come on board (by who he claims to be very reputable people) to help them out with this stuff and then the rug gets pulled out.

Also, it isn't lost on him that there could be scientist working on it in secrecy. In his Rogan interview, he talks about some odd companies that have hired a lot of mathematcians and scientist that could be part of this. He also goes into how string theory could be a big diversion to lead us nowhere, which may or may not be related to this phenomenon
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In reply to guadalupeag • 11:42a, 1/19/24
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As a skeptic I actually find the "interdimensional beings" idea to be the most intriguing. As strange as it sounds it's the only one that makes sense at this time. Space is simply too big to travel by conventional means, and even going theoretical has issues with space and time. An advanced being having achieved a higher level of consciousness than we currently have, similar to say a human vs. ape, at least seems the slightest bit possible.

That said if you crashed an air plane in the jungle containing the smartest apes in the world, not likely they would ever reverse engineer it. They simply don't have the ability to even understand what it is. That's pretty much how our interactions would be with these higher conscious beings.

Have you considered the concept of space nomads? They could be a small group that travels independently around the universe, adjusting their journeys to meet up at the same time and place. Mostly kidding, but interesting thought.


Regarding the crashing the airplane, it bums me out thinking about it. If you were able to send one back just 10,000 years, it probably won't have any impact on our technology for at least 9,800 years, maybe 9,500 years optmistically. So, even if it is something our species can comprehend one day, it's unlikely that we are anywhere near a time that we are capable of doing so.
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4:40p, 1/19/24
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I read the opinion piece by Kirkpatrick. In it, first and foremost, he claims what I and some others have questioned about all this...that the group of people sharing and whistleblowing these incidents are all connected and have all known each other for at least 20 years.

He also claims that none of them ever came to AARO to discuss their accounts despite being invited. Obviously, I don't know what's true and what's not...from either side of this ordeal...but he says that there is not enough real evidence to support the alien or non-human hypothesis and that AARO has and will continue to thoroughly investigate.

I will add that he did not in this article deny that unexplained phenomena exist, which I suppose he can't after being on record previously saying that everything has not been answered. Oh, and there is apparently a report coming from AARO in the future once it gets approval for release.
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5:03p, 1/19/24
Chris Lehto has a little update on last weeks classified briefing here:

Lehto's thoughts..

"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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In reply to redline248 • 6:39p, 1/19/24
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I read the opinion piece by Kirkpatrick. In it, first and foremost, he claims what I and some others have questioned about all this...that the group of people sharing and whistleblowing these incidents are all connected and have all known each other for at least 20 years.

He also claims that none of them ever came to AARO to discuss their accounts despite being invited. Obviously, I don't know what's true and what's not...from either side of this ordeal...but he says that there is not enough real evidence to support the alien or non-human hypothesis and that AARO has and will continue to thoroughly investigate.

I will add that he did not in this article deny that unexplained phenomena exist, which I suppose he can't after being on record previously saying that everything has not been answered. Oh, and there is apparently a report coming from AARO in the future once it gets approval for release.

Basically, Grusch & co think Kirkpatrick is a pawn/compromised - or - incompetent at best. Hence why they skipped AARO and went straight to the ICIG. And there's all kinds of evidence to support that idea. Could we live in a world where Kirkpatrick is the good guy and somehow Grusch & co are part of a massive psyop? Sure, but that would mean the ICIG is now in on it too, considering everything we know and what went down a week ago today.
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6:54p, 1/19/24
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Ha, man, these guys really hate Kirkpatrick. Taylor was part of the original UAP task force a couple year back...

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8:19a, 1/20/24
Just something in the sky over Norway this past week…

https://allinmedianews.wordpress.com/unknown-object-spotted-in-northern-norway-looking-like-a-star-report/

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10:55a, 1/21/24
Ouch, Spidey, you might want to keep your stuff in here where it's in tune. I saw the documentary thread you started and that was short but brutal, I was actually wincing for you. I'm on the sympathetic side compared to what most people think of this stuff. I certainly don't see things as you do, but I respect that you really believe what you say at least.
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In reply to Joes • 4:09p, 1/21/24
Which doc was that Joe?
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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12:54a, 1/22/24
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This Kirkpatrick stuff is kind of wild, and sketchy as hell. When all is said and done, I'm becoming increasingly convinced that his (potential) pawn status could end up being a crucial tell/fulcrum in this whole ordeal...



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Three Reasons that Argue in Support of Grusch's ET Claims: Retribution, Compartmentalization, and Failure to Deny.

David Grusch's whistleblower claims made in July of 2023 to Congress are still with us. He testified under oath and would risk criminal prosecution if he lied. Nonetheless, Grush's claims are outstanding: the recovery and possession of extraterrestrial (ET) craft; alien bodies; and collusion between the government and the defense industry to reverse engineer ET craft without the knowledge of Congress.

These claims on the subject of UAP are hard to believe but the reactions of the Dept of Defense (DoD) and the intelligence agencies, make one suspect whether Grusch's claims might just be true.

Retribution
Grusch's claims of retribution were initiated with the Intelligence Community's Inspector General. He stated that he suffered retaliation after reporting information regarding UAP to his superiors. Within weeks of testifying on government UAP programs before Congress, a real-time example of retribution occurred. Members of the DoD and the intelligence community reacted by providing tips to journalist Ken Klippenstein that were intended to smear Grusch's integrity and reliability as a witness. Klippenstein reported on August 9 in The Intercept that Grusch had a history of alcohol abuse. It became clear in an interview with Klippenstein by Saagar and Krystal of @BreakingPointsN that the tips that told Klippenstein where to look had come from the DoD and the intelligence community. Key parts of that interview are at the following link and occur at 2.5 minutes, 7.5 minutes, and just before the 11-minute mark:

Why did the DoD and the intelligence community retaliate against Grusch if his claims were of some silly nonsense caused by a troubled mind? This type of retribution has done nothing but strengthen the argument that the government has something to hide. Instead of retaliating, one would expect that the DoD and intelligence community would have been straight forward and denied the allegations made by Grusch.

Compartmentalization
Compartmentalization is the limiting of access to information to persons on a need-to-know basis. This is done by the executive branch of the government through the use of special access programs (SAP) established by president Richard Nixon in 1972. Some of these SAPs are so controlled that the only members of Congress that are allowed to know about them are eight key high-level Senators and Representatives known as the "Gang of Eight." This group is required to know about all SAP programs so that there is some level of control by the legislative branch. And according to Grusch, the DoD has illegally kept knowledge of these SAP programs from Congress. This is one of the driving factors behind the Schumer Amendment that was part of the National Defense Authorization Act of 2024.


Chuck Schumer is a key member of the "Gang of Eight."

When Congress has tried to get information regarding UAP from the DoD and intelligence agencies, the individuals who briefed them were honest in their inability to provide answers because they didn't have the answers -- probably by design. Through the use of multiple SAP programs, information on a highly classified subject is essentially spread across SAP silos so that no one knows what the other is doing and the "Big Picture" is hidden. A review of commentaries from several congress people who were part of the January 12, 2024, Congressional Classified Briefing on UAP, makes it clear that they felt the UAP information was compartmentalized to keep it secure.


Therein lies the rub. Why do components of the executive branch need to keep UAP information so secure? The DoD has stated multiple times that there is nothing behind the curtain. We've been told that UAP are explainable. So why all of this secrecy? This level of secrecy argues that these agencies are likely hiding information related to UAP. Conclusion: the executive branch is compartmentalizing their UAP information to keep it secure.

Failure to Deny
When information is compartmentalized such that almost no one knows the whole truth, how can you effectively deny claims such as those made by Grusch? Any given government spokesperson can't really comment on what they don't know so they quote others and they use vague language. One would expect that there should be a DoD spokesperson that could come out and in plain English state, "There is no substance to Grusch's claims. There is no secret UAP program, we have no alien craft or alien bodies in our possession." No one has come out and made such a categorical denial.

Instead, here is an example of a statement that came from Sue Gough, a Pentagon spokesperson: "To date, AARO has not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims that any programs regarding the possession or reverse-engineering of extraterrestrial materials have existed in the past or exist currently." That is not a strong and straight forward denial. First, the use of the term "verifiable information" provides a large loophole. And how would she expect information to be verifiable if it's in a SAP? Second, she made this statement in June of 2023 and used an organization (AARO) that was less than a year old as her source of denial. AARO was still trying to get adequate funding and establish its presence. What is needed is a concise statement from someone in a position to know such as the Director of National Intelligence.

The reality is that we can never know for certain if the government is being honest and upfront with the American public. David Grusch has testified that they're deceiving both Congress and the public. Wishy-washy rebuttals to Grusch's claims, attempts to smear his name, and compartmentalization of UAP information only increase the public's suspicions. Congress must continue to push this issue and ask to see the same UAP documents that Grusch says exist.
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11:12p, 1/22/24
I don't think Kirkpatrick has been read in on much of this. He was a good soldier for sure.
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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In reply to Leonard H. Stringfield • 11:28p, 1/22/24
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Agreed. I don't think he knows where the bodies are buried, but he'll dutifully make sure evidence gets lost and keep the cops off the scent.
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I got to thinking about Artificial Intelligence development.

What if what we are seeing as UFO/UAPs here is a result of our own AI development in the future?

A super developed AI could lead the way in quantum research, the possibility of other realms, self-replicating manufacturing of equipment, robotics, craft and specialized living beings with mixed DNA.

It seems that as some point, our development of AI could surpass the capabilities of human thinking and processing.

So then, what if these super intelligent and self sufficient AI beings are able to do things and develop things that we can't?

Does time travel for these "non-living" beings exist or the ability to go between realms that humans with our flesh and bone, just can't do?

If any of this is possible, how long did these creations go time travel back in our history? How much can they manipulate us by tweaking history to suit their needs? The possibilities are endless and could explain why these UFO/UAPs and associated beings are so determined to take care of the earth and make sure we don't screw it up.

Why does it seem like we are stuck with thinking that "Aliens" or "extra terrestrial" beings have to be living creatures? They could all be artificial "living" creations by AI with a mixed bag of ones made like "robots" and some with a mix of flesh/DNA/ and manufactured parts...

AI beings that were first developed by humans could be running the Universe.

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Imo, time traveling AI is just as likely as aliens. The only caveat is the claim of recovered non-human organics.

I suppose advanced AI could have developed organic cloning or something.

Cylons confirmed; )
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10:10a, 1/23/24
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First, my sincere apologies for being gone for a week. I was temporarily banned (by Staff / Moderator) and accepted the punishment in silence (no return email asking why, ect).

Second, I'd like to highlight this podcast by Ashton - he's very good and detailed here, summarizing evidence with empathy and good organization.

https://theunexplained.tv/episodes/edition-784-ashton-forbes

"Citizen journalist Ashton Forbes - a guest recommended by listeners to "The Unexplained" - He has exhaustively investigated the disappearance of Malaysian Airlines Flight MH370 - And he's come up with a disturbing and unique twist on the tragic story of the loss of a passenger jet and 239 people onboard almost a decade ago."
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10:13a, 1/23/24
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Also - re-up this summary, which to me has big explanatory power (and I'm religious while this anon is not) -
(4chan is mostly trash, but not always, and there's a couple "click for more" when the end of image is reached)


https://imgur.com/a/NXjWQaN
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In reply to redline248 • 10:21a, 1/23/24
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redline248 said:
Imo, time traveling AI is just as likely as aliens. The only caveat is the claim of recovered non-human organics.

I suppose advanced AI could have developed organic cloning or something.

Cylons confirmed; )
My thoughts exactly. Advanced AI could potentially conceptualize, plan, research, test, develop and manufacture ANYTHING.

Kind of like these reports discussed on this thread about some facility that is in the deep subsea Atlantic Ocean. They could be creating vehicles and beings for specific tasks (like resource and materials gathering). They could have sent missions to other worlds to gather materials from there and bring back here for manufacturing.

Its really mind numbing to think of the endless possibilities...
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4:44p, 1/23/24
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A good Unexplained expisode. The book is interesting. He follows Hynek's (who became more religious btw) "high strangeness"

https://theunexplained.tv/episodes/edition-785-philip-kinsella

"Author/experiencer and researcher Philip Kinsella - and his take on the "alien greys" and the nature of the phenomena that surround them. Could some areas of Ufology and paranormality be strangely connected? Philip's latest book (from Flying Disk Press) is "Terrestrial Trespassers"."
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In reply to redline248 • 6:40p, 1/23/24
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redline248 said:
Imo, time traveling AI is just as likely as aliens. The only caveat is the claim of recovered non-human organics.

I suppose advanced AI could have developed organic cloning or something.

Cylons confirmed; )


lol! I actually had been thinking the same thing re Cylons.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
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In reply to TCTTS • 9:41p, 1/23/24
LOL..didn't realize ole Sean was a conspiracy theorist. Carry on good soldier..
"Roswell, 1947, there was a uap (ufo) that crashed, in fact there were 2 uaps, 1 crashed and one flew away and the other one did not and was recovered by the US GOVERNMENT."
- Lue Elizondo-former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program-August 20, 2024

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Joe Rogan just released an interview with Diana Pasulka today. I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet, but she is usually an interesting listen. She is a writer and religous studies prof.

From her Wikipedia
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Her research focuses on religion and technology. Her books include Heaven Can Wait, which discusses purgatory's location and materiality, and American Cosmic, which explores belief in UFOs and extraterrestrial life and how it has changed traditional religions. Regarding the initial development of her work on ufology, Pasulka has stated that she first expected to treat UFO sightings and contact reports as simple modern variants on perennial mystical experiences, but after delving deeper, "I had to consider that these things are actually real." She has argued that there is a base reality (however obscure in nature) to both UFO sightings and the Abduction phenomenon.
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5:24p, 1/24/24
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American Cosmic
Encounters

I've read them, recommend - IF you forgive the solipsism - "OMG, and then Nolan told me this, after a great dinner in the desert, and soon before Valle drove me around San Francisco…."

She (somewhat) came back to Catholicism through this, via Hynack's High Strangeness paradigm.

The 3 main sources are Jacques Valle, Nolan, and Tim Taylor (who also converted to Christianity post-contact)

Worthwhile overall.
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5:26p, 1/24/24
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Nolan is among the most highly credentialed scientists on the planet. He also talks like me and Spyder post.

Taylor is NASA and now low profile but got wealthy via patents (origin?)
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It really does feel like the coverup is just blatant/out in the open now…

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Just finished Encounters. Very thought provoking.
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