You do you, Spyder. I appreciate that you post although I don't believe it all. However if Grusch's claims are proven true then you get to take a victory lap. Or 10. And then there is a lot that needs to be looked at again.

Anybody watch or listen to the latest Shawn Ryan podcast? He had Brandon Fugal, who owns Skinwalker Ranch, on the show. Brandon has been going about trying to figure out the phenomenon that's happening there for a number of years. Really goes into the methodologies and how he's taking a scientific approach. History Channel paints it kind of corny, and he goes into that relationship as well.

At the end, he all but said that they have been communicating with whatever phenomenon is and they have hard evidence. One of the things it said was, "I living."

Incredibly interesting show.

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You do you, Spyder. I appreciate that you post although I don't believe it all. However if Grusch's claims are proven true then you get to take a victory lap. Or 10. And then there is a lot that needs to be looked at again.

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Only if human capable remote viewing also turns out to be legit.

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I honestly think at this point if they are not, that might be more disturbing than the reality itself. Col. Phillip Corso did have hands on experience with et tech etc, but few believed him.

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false" -William Casey, CIA director, 1981

SECRECY is entrenched. The gate keepers have painted themselves into a corner.

Even if the gov comes out and says something, can we trust them?

I trust those good folk of Roswell FAR more than any government official.

Just based on the projects and results at Farsight, remote viewing is legit. Possibly far more than any bias media reporting. IMO....which is legit as well.

This project was super fascinating...and revealing:

And yes, as humans we are ALL guilty of confirmation bias...

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highly, highly skeptical that there are bodies or crashed aircraft anywhere. Wake me up when there's proof. Until then, I can't just take random claims as proof.

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Right. This could all be over so quickly if that were true. I highly doubt some random USAF officer in 2023 was the first person to hear about any of this. However, he does claim to know where the bodies are currently buried (pun intended) which would end all speculation in less than 5 minutes but instead we are going to keep playing the "I've got a secret but can't tell you what it is" game.

Did people not learn anything as kids?

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But he has told them. Maybe we are just witnessing the ineffeciences of our own government.

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I'm speaking more to the overall absurdity of the situation. He says without a doubt he has locations of ships and bodies and he has told the government (lol at them not knowing something like this). Would you like to place a bet on how long it takes before anything is revealed, if ever?

Also, if these things are everywhere (which they are according to commercial and military pilots), why is the U.S. government the sole gatekeeper of this information?

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I don't disagree, it is a major concern.

The following video is of @SenGillibrand speaking about UAP and recent developments. This was reported today, August 14th, by The @poststar.

H/T @UAPMediaHub #ufotwitter #ufoX pic.twitter.com/4fAJ5B643u

— Ronak P. (@Brodawg42) August 15, 2023

Such a sweet-heart. If she only knew...

Perhaps at some point she will.

Last night in Fort Worth

https://instagr.am/p/CvFrxOrNNM4

That looks exactly like the Space X launch that happened (and was posted on here) a week or two ago.

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That looks exactly like the Space X launch that happened (and was posted on here) a week or two ago.

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My apologies. Where do I go to receive my thread demerits?

Just go make it up on the tine media girl thread

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That looks exactly like the Space X launch that happened (and was posted on here) a week or two ago.

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My apologies. Where do I go to receive my thread demerits?

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Haha! It's no biggie, happens to many people, obviously. When I lived in Austin years ago a good friend of mine lived on several acres in the hill country west of town. Dark as hell out there so sometimes we'd pull up the tracking websites showing passing satellites and the International Space Station and watch them go over for mindless fun while having a beer.

Once a buddy of his and his girlfriend were there too and we did it and she didn't even know that was possible and kept emphasizing that it was a good thing we were there and told her what they were or she would have been freaking out if she saw them on her own. I just thought "Yeah, I believe you".

I was just posting it as it seemed relevant, not that I thought it proved anything.

To your point though, my great aunt (now no longer with us) and uncle swear up and down they saw a UFO on a state highway near Tyler late one night in the 80s. They are/were both very prim and proper people with no interest in this stuff.

They say they were driving along the highway when suddenly it got extremely bright and my uncle, who was driving, saw a flying saucer down at road level in his rear view mirror. It kept a steady back distance for what he describes as a few minutes until time "froze" as he (and she, before her passing) would say. The "frozen time" was for everything except the saucer which he says then came over to the front of their now stopped vehicle.

Then, he says, he "blinked" and they were back on the two lane state highway driving under normal conditions. They both were silent for a few minutes until my aunt said "Did you just see…" and of course my uncle chimes in with "Yes, I did."

They wouldn't speak of this story unless specifically asked about it and they never wavered on what they saw. They didn't really speculate and didn't have a strong opinion on what it was, but they both saw and experienced the saucer, the white light, and the "frozen time".

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I was just posting it as it seemed relevant, not that I thought it proved anything.

To your point though, my great aunt (now no longer with us) and uncle swear up and down they saw a UFO on a state highway near Tyler late one night in the 80s. They are/were both very prim and proper people with no interest in this stuff.

They say they were driving along the highway when suddenly it got extremely bright and my uncle, who was driving, saw a flying saucer down at road level in his rear view mirror. It kept a steady back distance for what he describes as a few minutes until time "froze" as he (and she, before her passing) would say. The "frozen time" was for everything except the saucer which he says then came over to the front of their now stopped vehicle.

Then, he says, he "blinked" and they were back on the two lane state highway driving under normal conditions. They both were silent for a few minutes until my aunt said "Did you just see…" and of course my uncle chimes in with "Yes, I did."

They wouldn't speak of this story unless specifically asked about it and they never wavered on what they saw. They didn't really speculate and didn't have a strong opinion on what it was, but they both saw and experienced the saucer, the white light, and the "frozen time".

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I hear you, for my part I'm confident that the vast majority of sightings are genuine events where people honestly saw things they didn't recognize and/or were clearly unusual. I think of the total incidents it's a pretty small number that are blatant fakes or made-up stories.

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Such a sweet-heart. If she only knew...

Perhaps at some point she will.

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Well, you have to admit it's unfair to expect Senator Gillebrand and the other commoners to be all-knowing like those few of you who have the power to remote view implanted computer chips in Napoleon's head. That's a power most of us could never have. Be patient with us.

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itsmeRitaC
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This Gilibrand video is worse than i would have expected. Even her tone. It is what i had figured for the past three years, so no surprises. It is drones from our usual enemies including Iran. There ya go folks. And she doesn't seem too involved with the issue and she is a big AARO cheese. LOL
Anyone in congress could have said the same thing if they watched the hearings. I guess Kirkpatrick is the go to with the know how.



I know Joe...I've been in your shoes. Wonder how/why she was chosen though... I could take a guess.

From what I gather, everybody is psychic to one degree or another. The Army screened guys who somehow had an innate ability to avoid landmines in Viet Nam and subsequently volunteered for the rv program. Pat Price was one of those.

Here is a video involving a couple of guy who unlike David Grusch, did have physical contact with the reality. Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker:

Here is a cool set of documents from the Reagan libray. Start at page 47.

https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/public/2021-06/40-654-209237723-046-002-2021.pdf

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Here is a cool set of documents from the Reagan libray. Start at page 47.

https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/public/2021-06/40-654-209237723-046-002-2021.pdf

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Secretary Forrestal was one of those with knowledge of the reality. He fell out of a med center window...

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Here is a cool set of documents from the Reagan libray. Start at page 47.

https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/public/2021-06/40-654-209237723-046-002-2021.pdf

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Secretary Forrestal was one of those with knowledge of the reality. He fell out of a med center window...

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"fell"

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I was just posting it as it seemed relevant, not that I thought it proved anything.

To your point though, my great aunt (now no longer with us) and uncle swear up and down they saw a UFO on a state highway near Tyler late one night in the 80s. They are/were both very prim and proper people with no interest in this stuff.

They say they were driving along the highway when suddenly it got extremely bright and my uncle, who was driving, saw a flying saucer down at road level in his rear view mirror. It kept a steady back distance for what he describes as a few minutes until time "froze" as he (and she, before her passing) would say. The "frozen time" was for everything except the saucer which he says then came over to the front of their now stopped vehicle.

Then, he says, he "blinked" and they were back on the two lane state highway driving under normal conditions. They both were silent for a few minutes until my aunt said "Did you just see…" and of course my uncle chimes in with "Yes, I did."

They wouldn't speak of this story unless specifically asked about it and they never wavered on what they saw. They didn't really speculate and didn't have a strong opinion on what it was, but they both saw and experienced the saucer, the white light, and the "frozen time".

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This meets every criteria of a classic abduction case. I'm not at all claiming that's what it was, or that I even believe in such things, I'm simply saying there are so many people out there who have described basically this exact event - the same setting, the same circumstances, the same type encounter, and the same missing time - who all eventually came to believe they were abducted, with memories of that missing time later seeping back.

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I was just posting it as it seemed relevant, not that I thought it proved anything.

To your point though, my great aunt (now no longer with us) and uncle swear up and down they saw a UFO on a state highway near Tyler late one night in the 80s. They are/were both very prim and proper people with no interest in this stuff.

They say they were driving along the highway when suddenly it got extremely bright and my uncle, who was driving, saw a flying saucer down at road level in his rear view mirror. It kept a steady back distance for what he describes as a few minutes until time "froze" as he (and she, before her passing) would say. The "frozen time" was for everything except the saucer which he says then came over to the front of their now stopped vehicle.

Then, he says, he "blinked" and they were back on the two lane state highway driving under normal conditions. They both were silent for a few minutes until my aunt said "Did you just see…" and of course my uncle chimes in with "Yes, I did."

They wouldn't speak of this story unless specifically asked about it and they never wavered on what they saw. They didn't really speculate and didn't have a strong opinion on what it was, but they both saw and experienced the saucer, the white light, and the "frozen time".

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This meets every criteria of a classic abduction case. I'm not at all claiming that's what it was, or that I even believe in such things, I'm simply saying there are so many people out there who have described basically this exact event - the same setting, the same circumstances, the same type encounter, and the same missing time - who all eventually came to believe they were abducted, with memories of that missing time later seeping back.

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This brings to mind Bob Lazar's story of a candle "freezing", ie, stopped flickering when the candle was placed next to the gravity reactor thing during his time at S4. Time simply came to a stop or passed very slowly in that localized area.

I love when there's at least a semblance of a scientific explanation behind some of this stuff. Crazy to think about.

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I love when there's at least a semblance of a scientific explanation behind some of this stuff. Crazy to think about.

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Absolutely. Let's hope more is forthcoming.


"I would do it [study UFOs], but before agreeing to do it, we must insist upon full access to discs (EXTRATERRESTRIAL vehicle) recovered. For instance, in the L.A. case, the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination." J. Edgar Hoover-Director of FBI

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Obviously, it goes without saying that this is almost assuredly fake.

But if so, in the spirit of "entertainment," it's an incredible fake, and if anything, it's one of the crazier "what ifs" / Reddit rabbit holes to go down.

I recently watched the Netflix docu-series MH370: The Plane That Disappeared (which is incredibly well done, and doesn't at all dabble in the paranormal), and all I know is that no one really knows where the hell that plane went or how it went down.

A thread…

[Unverified] Dive into a perplexing video from March 2014 that explores the mysterious MH370 disappearance through thermal (drone) and satellite perspectives. Witness three unidentified objects forming an enigmatic spiral around the aircraft, seemingly generating a magnetic… pic.twitter.com/0DKadlupOL

— Seph (@Jehoseph) August 7, 2023

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I've been following this whole thing relatively closely the past few days and the consensus seems to be, rather convincingly, that this at least isn't CGI. The level of knowledge required to fake the satellite view (considering its location and readout at the bottom of the frame, along with a number of other details), and the minuscule level of detail required to fake the visuals of both the satellite and thermal angles, is almost too great. The hot/cold signatures, the physics of the orbs, the reflection of the surrounding clouds when the flash occurs, along with the way they're slightly disturbed - people have been analyzing it all to death, frame-by-frame for days, and it's all damn near perfect.

That of course doesn't automatically mean we're looking at MH370, but man, I've never seen reddit and the like stumped like this before, nor have I seen this amount of people slowly but surely become increasingly convinced by data/footage like this. It's almost always the opposite. This whole thing is really starting to blow up on social media too.

Who knows what the truth is, but the fact that this footage has yet to be concretely debunked (and people are trying like crazy) certainly has my interest piqued...

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Such a sweet-heart. If she only knew...

Perhaps at some point she will.

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Well, you have to admit it's unfair to expect Senator Gillebrand and the other commoners to be all-knowing like those few of you who have the power to remote view implanted computer chips in Napoleon's head. That's a power most of us could never have. Be patient with us.

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itsmeRitaC
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This Gilibrand video is worse than i would have expected. Even her tone. It is what i had figured for the past three years, so no surprises. It is drones from our usual enemies including Iran. There ya go folks. And she doesn't seem too involved with the issue and she is a big AARO cheese. LOL
Anyone in congress could have said the same thing if they watched the hearings. I guess Kirkpatrick is the go to with the know how.



I know Joe...I've been in your shoes. Wonder how/why she was chosen though... I could take a guess.

From what I gather, everybody is psychic to one degree or another. The Army screened guys who somehow had an innate ability to avoid landmines in Viet Nam and subsequently volunteered for the rv program. Pat Price was one of those.

Here is a video involving a couple of guy who unlike David Grusch, did have physical contact with the reality. Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker:

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Her audience there politely listened to her until she mentioned the alien ships and bodies and there was an awkward grin from her and obvious laughter from her audience. I still don't know what else the UFO faithful expect. And that's someone who is said to be on your side. That's why I'm shocked at the continued insistence that official disclosure is imminent. Or ever coming at all.

Here's what's got to give if this is to go anywhere, you guys have got to understand more clearly that it doesn't help to try to counter that laughter by arguing that you've spent 50 years researching this, watching every video and reading every book on the topic, and that they'd understand the reality if they would too.

Something like the presence of aliens on this planet should not require digging in the weeds for a lifetime to find. If you want to convince the mainstream then there has to be absolute proof and it has to be obvious. And nothing will change until then. And saying things like "We do have proof, go listen to Greer..." just makes it clear how far removed your collective thinking is from the mainstream.

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I was just posting it as it seemed relevant, not that I thought it proved anything.

To your point though, my great aunt (now no longer with us) and uncle swear up and down they saw a UFO on a state highway near Tyler late one night in the 80s. They are/were both very prim and proper people with no interest in this stuff.

They say they were driving along the highway when suddenly it got extremely bright and my uncle, who was driving, saw a flying saucer down at road level in his rear view mirror. It kept a steady back distance for what he describes as a few minutes until time "froze" as he (and she, before her passing) would say. The "frozen time" was for everything except the saucer which he says then came over to the front of their now stopped vehicle.

Then, he says, he "blinked" and they were back on the two lane state highway driving under normal conditions. They both were silent for a few minutes until my aunt said "Did you just see…" and of course my uncle chimes in with "Yes, I did."

They wouldn't speak of this story unless specifically asked about it and they never wavered on what they saw. They didn't really speculate and didn't have a strong opinion on what it was, but they both saw and experienced the saucer, the white light, and the "frozen time".

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This meets every criteria of a classic abduction case. I'm not at all claiming that's what it was, or that I even believe in such things, I'm simply saying there are so many people out there who have described basically this exact event - the same setting, the same circumstances, the same type encounter, and the same missing time - who all eventually came to believe they were abducted, with memories of that missing time later seeping back.

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Maybe so. They certainly never took that position, and by all accounts nothing weird happened to them after. My great aunt recently passed just a few months ago and my great uncles still kicking ass. If they were abducted they certainly have no memory or noticeable signs of it (that they've spoken about at least). Maybe I should press my uncle on it next time I see him.

The way he tells the story you'd think it was as routine as seeing a minor accident on the side of the road.

Yeah, for everyone who ends up remembering certain aspects of that missing time (though some are via hypnosis, which I don't really trust), I'm sure there are ten more like your great aunt/uncle who have no recollection whatsoever. Again, IF that's what they even experienced...

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Such a sweet-heart. If she only knew...

Perhaps at some point she will.

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Well, you have to admit it's unfair to expect Senator Gillebrand and the other commoners to be all-knowing like those few of you who have the power to remote view implanted computer chips in Napoleon's head. That's a power most of us could never have. Be patient with us.

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itsmeRitaC
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This Gilibrand video is worse than i would have expected. Even her tone. It is what i had figured for the past three years, so no surprises. It is drones from our usual enemies including Iran. There ya go folks. And she doesn't seem too involved with the issue and she is a big AARO cheese. LOL
Anyone in congress could have said the same thing if they watched the hearings. I guess Kirkpatrick is the go to with the know how.



I know Joe...I've been in your shoes. Wonder how/why she was chosen though... I could take a guess.

From what I gather, everybody is psychic to one degree or another. The Army screened guys who somehow had an innate ability to avoid landmines in Viet Nam and subsequently volunteered for the rv program. Pat Price was one of those.

Here is a video involving a couple of guy who unlike David Grusch, did have physical contact with the reality. Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker:

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Her audience there politely listened to her until she mentioned the alien ships and bodies and there was an awkward grin from her and obvious laughter from her audience. I still don't know what else the UFO faithful expect. And that's someone who is said to be on your side. That's why I'm shocked at the continued insistence that official disclosure is imminent. Or ever coming at all.

Here's what's got to give if this is to go anywhere, you guys have got to understand more clearly that it doesn't help to try to counter that laughter by arguing that you've spent 50 years researching this, watching every video and reading every book on the topic, and that they'd understand the reality if they would too.

Something like the presence of aliens on this planet should not require digging in the weeds for a lifetime to find. If you want to convince the mainstream then there has to be absolute proof and it has to be obvious. And nothing will change until then. And saying things like "We do have proof, go listen to Greer..." just makes it clear how far removed your collective thinking is from the mainstream.

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Yes, the giggle factor is firmly entrenched. Her planting was not an accident.

"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense." Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.

Slowly, it is slowly eroding away. As will the "little green men" mantra.

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Joes said:

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Aztec1948 said:

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Such a sweet-heart. If she only knew...

Perhaps at some point she will.

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Well, you have to admit it's unfair to expect Senator Gillebrand and the other commoners to be all-knowing like those few of you who have the power to remote view implanted computer chips in Napoleon's head. That's a power most of us could never have. Be patient with us.

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itsmeRitaC
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This Gilibrand video is worse than i would have expected. Even her tone. It is what i had figured for the past three years, so no surprises. It is drones from our usual enemies including Iran. There ya go folks. And she doesn't seem too involved with the issue and she is a big AARO cheese. LOL
Anyone in congress could have said the same thing if they watched the hearings. I guess Kirkpatrick is the go to with the know how.



I know Joe...I've been in your shoes. Wonder how/why she was chosen though... I could take a guess.

From what I gather, everybody is psychic to one degree or another. The Army screened guys who somehow had an innate ability to avoid landmines in Viet Nam and subsequently volunteered for the rv program. Pat Price was one of those.

Here is a video involving a couple of guy who unlike David Grusch, did have physical contact with the reality. Charles Hickson and Calvin Parker:

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Her audience there politely listened to her until she mentioned the alien ships and bodies and there was an awkward grin from her and obvious laughter from her audience. I still don't know what else the UFO faithful expect. And that's someone who is said to be on your side. That's why I'm shocked at the continued insistence that official disclosure is imminent. Or ever coming at all.

Here's what's got to give if this is to go anywhere, you guys have got to understand more clearly that it doesn't help to try to counter that laughter by arguing that you've spent 50 years researching this, watching every video and reading every book on the topic, and that they'd understand the reality if they would too.

Something like the presence of aliens on this planet should not require digging in the weeds for a lifetime to find. If you want to convince the mainstream then there has to be absolute proof and it has to be obvious. And nothing will change until then. And saying things like "We do have proof, go listen to Greer..." just makes it clear how far removed your collective thinking is from the mainstream.

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Yes, the giggle factor is firmly entrenched. Her planting was not an accident.

"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense." Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.

Slowly, it is slowly eroding away. As will the "little green men" mantra.

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I think you should consider that there are lots of people who are just genuinely dismissive for their own reasons and are not necessarily part of a plot. She's definitely on the more receptive side of the scale after all.

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I like Spyder's posts and this thread. Keep posting. That's goes to everyone. It's a good discussion.

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I've been reticent to post, but I've been reading and watching materials on the mysterious shutdowns of ICBMs in the late '60s at Minot AFB, ND and Malmstrom AFB, MT. The gist of it is that in each case, personnel saw a hovering craft (UFO) near the entrance gate at the facility and at the same time all ICBMs went offline simultaneously. Whatever happened caused a failure/disruption of the gyroscopic guidance/targeting system, which caused the whole thing to shut down.

What if the US was testing out some new technology? You know, test it out on our own stuff and then use it on the Soviets? The lights/craft could have been a diversion while something else did the work. Occam's razor and all, it just seems a lot more likely that there's a simple earthly explanation. I have a hard time believing it was ETs. Even IF ETs were coming here, why would they choose that way of disarming our nukes? It was only temporary and zero damage was done.

I mean no disrespect to anyone, just interested in the discussion. I'll be transparent about my position: I'm a skeptic. I'm certain there is life elsewhere in the universe - the odds are way too great for there not to be. I also believe there is intelligent life out there, but the distances are so great that I'm not sure I buy them being able to visit us, not yet anyway. We have been broadcasting our presence for decades now, but it's going to take a lot more time for those signals to reach someone, and even more time for them to get here.

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Given the state of the Cold War in the 60s I find it kinda ridiculous we would've taken down an entire wing of our own ICBMs as a test. Assuming it was US developed tech there would've been ways to test it on systems that weren't actively in service awaiting orders to respond to a Soviet first strike.

The Minot and Malmstrom stories were really what started to turn me along with the 2017 NYT article + the related pilot interviews. The Air Force doesn't let crackpots run the ICBMs, and they certainly wouldn't run a test that messed with the readiness of our deterrent. Just my 2 cents.

Just to play the assumption game: if you assume the aliens are here, my belief is it's for some self-serving interest. Maybe they're mining earth's resources, maybe it's a scientific exploration, who knows, but they have some self-interest in Earth. A nuclear war between the US and USSR (especially with the stockpile size of both nations in the 60s) would've made the planet inhabitable, and (assuming they're mining) would've contaminated a ton of Earth's resources. My guess is the ETs ran a test to see if they could shut down our weapons and prevent them from launching. Robert Salas, one of the airmen who experienced the event, said he thought it was like taking the matches from a child before they burned themselves…I kinda tend to agree.

Quick write up on their experiences for anyone who hasn't heard of these events:

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2021/10/19/air-force-veterans-who-are-ufo-true-believers-return-newly-attentive-washington.html/amp

Also, non UAP related, anyone interested in America's nuclear capability and Strategic Air Command (SAC) during the Cold War should read Command and Control. A great Aggie is prominently featured throughout the whole book.