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I have no idea but I'm skeptical that jumping straight to beings from another planet should be where we let our minds go out of the gate.

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Aztec1948 said:

"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense." Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.

"We alone cannot take credit for our technological advances,we have had help from people of other worlds". Dr. Herman Oberth, father of rocketry and aeronautics - American Weekly 1954

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false" -William Casey, CIA director, 1981

It is the most sensible, logical explanation.

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These explanations are much more believable and credible than the Greer videos

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Perhaps, but we are not privy to who/what exactly Greer has had contact with. The only real thing I might have problems with is his contention that all of these beings are peaceful. There is abundant data which suggests some are clearly not friendly. Or anybody else for that matter including the officials that did the ole switcheroo back in 1947. The origin of the ongoing cover-up. I think the most believable testimonies are from the people of Roswell who were privy to things that occurred.

Guys such as this fella:

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No but I sure get the feeling you're trying to get me with some gotcha. I equated this a couple of times to the history of ancient seafaring. Sailors saw all kinds of stuff they were unfamiliar with and it was almost always attributed to seamonsters or other mythical creatures. We know that isn't true now. Man has been going to sea for centuries upon centuries yet we just took to the sky. I think as time marches on we will figure out the natural origins of some of these things. I honestly don't waste too much time thinking or worrying about it, just like all those Bigfoot shows etc, because when there is actual undeniable proof of these sorts of things, it will be the biggest story on earth. Every thing up to that point is just watching the soap opera.

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No, no gotcha just wanted to talk Navy pilots with someone. I still think they might be lying.
Not willing to talk Bigfoot or sea monsters.

There are many holes in every theory right now…

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No but I sure get the feeling you're trying to get me with some gotcha. I equated this a couple of times to the history of ancient seafaring. Sailors saw all kinds of stuff they were unfamiliar with and it was almost always attributed to seamonsters or other mythical creatures. We know that isn't true now. Man has been going to sea for centuries upon centuries yet we just took to the sky. I think as time marches on we will figure out the natural origins of some of these things. I honestly don't waste too much time thinking or worrying about it, just like all those Bigfoot shows etc, because when there is actual undeniable proof of these sorts of things, it will be the biggest story on earth. Every thing up to that point is just watching the soap opera.

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No, no gotcha just wanted to talk Navy pilots with someone. I still think they might be lying.
Not willing to talk Bigfoot or sea monsters.

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Except the simple, obvious one.

The next round of tax dodgers, wife beaters, drug users....

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No but I sure get the feeling you're trying to get me with some gotcha. I equated this a couple of times to the history of ancient seafaring. Sailors saw all kinds of stuff they were unfamiliar with and it was almost always attributed to seamonsters or other mythical creatures. We know that isn't true now. Man has been going to sea for centuries upon centuries yet we just took to the sky. I think as time marches on we will figure out the natural origins of some of these things. I honestly don't waste too much time thinking or worrying about it, just like all those Bigfoot shows etc, because when there is actual undeniable proof of these sorts of things, it will be the biggest story on earth. Every thing up to that point is just watching the soap opera.

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No, no gotcha just wanted to talk Navy pilots with someone. I still think they might be lying.
Not willing to talk Bigfoot or sea monsters.

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Except the simple, obvious one.

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Floating 40 ft white whales that can outmaneuver an F-18?

The reality is troubling for many.

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The reality is troubling for many.

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Fantasy is a troubling reality for many.

Indeed, but the tin hats are slowly coming off. They say it really doesn't hurt..

"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense." Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.

Spyderman, if your posts didn't come off as the "incoherent monk moaning and praying at a burning shrine while everyone else around you says run", maybe you'd be taken more seriously

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Spyderman, if your posts didn't come off as the "incoherent monk moaning and praying at a burning shrine while everyone else around you says run", maybe you'd be taken more seriously

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Ben, I simply present the data. How you perceive/address it...up to you. No need for me to do a summary on it either.
I am fascinated by your response here. And that will certainly be considering in the future posts/responses to occur. You will need to be more specific on what post? All I've attempted to do is present things and be as honest as I can. The fact is, some will take the reality seriously, others will not. I've worn those shoes. It's something that triggers many of our psychological defense mechanisms IMO. We have been deceived IMO. I knew this would be contentious with my first post 4 years ago. But most of politics seemed a bit boring and the description (then) for the forum was "Politics and World Events"..or something similar. So, in I dove.

"We alone cannot take credit for our technological advances,we have had help from people of other worlds". Dr. Herman Oberth, father of rocketry and aeronautics - American Weekly 1954

-the incoherent monk

I think it's the hyperbole you use that causes people to jump ship

That and Greer videos. The guy has no credibility

I do appreciate what you bring to the table, but I think this is why you get pushback

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I think it's the hyperbole you use that causes people to jump ship

That and Greer videos. The guy has no credibility

I do appreciate what you bring to the table, but I think this is why you get pushback

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But I think Greer like any other person is not correct on everything. You are not correct on your assessment of him IMO. Yes, it may be hyperbole for some. Perhaps many. I knew that going in..and it served as motivation to continue. But, it may not be that for all. Gradually people will jump back into the ship regardless of what they may read here. At least they had some exposure.

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I think it's the hyperbole you use that causes people to jump ship

That and Greer videos. The guy has no credibility

I do appreciate what you bring to the table, but I think this is why you get pushback

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I think it's the hyperbole you use that causes people to jump ship

That and Greer videos. The guy has no credibility

I do appreciate what you bring to the table, but I think this is why you get pushback

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read my further edits above..

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"The reality is troubling for many" is a perfect example

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That is probably the most obvious thing I could ever had said. Many researchers believe THIS is the prime reason for the cover-up. Its effect on religion more specifically. At least initially. It still is IMO.

HFS

Reptilian skinwalker chick has gone public for the first time

We need to hear about whatever happened to that nonreal mother****er

🔥🚨DEVELOPING: Tiffany Gomas ‘TMINR Plane Lady’ has finally issued a public statement. pic.twitter.com/d5v3VJuns1

— Dom Lucre | Breaker of Narratives (@dom_lucre) August 13, 2023

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read my further edits above..

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That is probably the most obvious thing I could ever had said. Many researchers believe THIS is the prime reason for the cover-up. Its effect on religion more specifically. At least initially. It still is IMO.

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It's hard for me to see this as a realistic argument. I'm not religious but:


Most major religions have no inherent conflict with non-Earth life and this has been shown and discussed with religious scholars numerous times. In fact, many religions are claimed to have UFO events documented within them.

According to Grusch the first event he's aware of involved The Vatican being in possession of a craft and giving it to the U.S. Why in the world The Vatican would give it to anyone instead of hoarding and hiding it themselves to keep it secret in their supposed vaults, much less to a non-majority Catholic country, is beyond me.

Most of the debunker/sceptic community pretty self-evidently comes from the left, or at least a secular background, because the overlap of their skepticism heavily applies to religion and other belief systems, too..

When Mars was popularly "known" to be inhabited after the canals hysteria it caused no breakdown of society or religion whatsoever.

Western society in general is by far the most secular in the world and yet we seem to be at the center of the "coverup".

Do you want more?

Wait, how about, the main Congressman aggressively promoting opening all this up is described this way:

Burchett's association with the Presbyterian faith has been instrumental in shaping his character and approach to serving the public.

For Representative Burchett, his Presbyterian faith forms the foundation of his values and informs his decisions as a lawmaker.




And yes, I realize that the reality is just too troubling for me or whatever.

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Ghost of Bisbee said:

"The reality is troubling for many" is a perfect example

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Aztec1948 said:

That is probably the most obvious thing I could ever had said. Many researchers believe THIS is the prime reason for the cover-up. Its effect on religion more specifically. At least initially. It still is IMO.

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It's hard for me to see this as a realistic argument. I'm not religious but:


Most major religions have no inherent conflict with non-Earth life and this has been shown and discussed with religious scholars numerous times. In fact, many religions are claimed to have UFO events documented within them.

According to Grusch the first event he's aware of involved The Vatican being in possession of a craft and giving it to the U.S. Why in the world The Vatican would give it to anyone instead of hoarding and hiding it themselves to keep it secret in their supposed vaults, much less to a non-majority Catholic country, is beyond me.

Most of the debunker/sceptic community pretty self-evidently comes from the left, or at least a secular background, because the overlap of their skepticism heavily applies to religion and other belief systems, too..

When Mars was popularly "known" to be inhabited after the canals hysteria it caused no breakdown of society or religion whatsoever.

Western society in general is by far the most secular in the world and yet we seem to be at the center of the "coverup".

Do you want more?

Wait, how about, the main Congressman aggressively promoting opening all this up is described this way:

Burchett's association with the Presbyterian faith has been instrumental in shaping his character and approach to serving the public.

For Representative Burchett, his Presbyterian faith forms the foundation of his values and informs his decisions as a lawmaker.




And yes, I realize that the reality is just too troubling for me or whatever.

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Most folks would find it troubling during that time period. The 1940's. Most believed in a true god. And even in the us govenment. Once the lie was told...others had to be told to maintain status quo. The Brookings Institute provided some thoughts to NASA in 1960:

The report recommended continuing studies "to determine emotional and intellectual understanding and attitudes" regarding the possibility of intelligent extraterrestrial life" and studies to understand "the behavior of peoples and their leaders when confronted with dramatic and unfamiliar events or social pressures." The latter aimed to determine how such information might be shared, or withheld, from the public.

Remember, in 1938, Orson Welles did his radio presentation of The War of the Worlds. Many took their own lives. Panic did insue. I suspect this could have played into the decision to reverse the Roswell story just 24yr after announcing a craft had been recovered. The data collected by Farsight gives details about the various stories in the Quran and the Bible. And reasons for the events. And religion oriented objects and events. I did not collect the data, but in my mind it makes a lot of sense. Especially, if you a very much convinced and believe the extraterrestrial reality.

Now, once you can get beyond a simple acknowledgement of the et reality...

Again, I would suggest watching the above linked documentary- 3rd Eye Spies

"3rd eye spies" sounds like a porno

Perhaps. Does the reality trouble you in any way? It certainly does me. Maybe not as much as when I decided to really go down the rabbit hole. One of the main motivations for the initial post here on TA years ago...saw it coming...wanted to lessen the shock I suppose. But then not everyone is a born again Christian. That was and is a problem still.

I think I admit defeat, it is all real. Because the only plausible explanation I can come up with after reading Aztec1948's post is that he is indeed a being from another dimension. There aren't enough total drugs and head wounds possible combined to cause a real human being to write that stuff.

Congrats, I look forward to your rule. I told you guys I would admit if I was proven wrong, it just came from an unlikely source but I clearly lost.

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I think I admit defeat, it is all real. Because the only plausible explanation I can come up with after reading Aztec1948's post is that he is indeed a being from another dimension. There aren't enough total drugs and head wounds possible combined to cause a real human being to write that stuff.

Congrats, I look forward to your rule. I told you guys I would admit if I was proven wrong, it just came from an unlikely source but I clearly lost.

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It's no game Joe. And yes I'm quite serious. You can simply chose to ignore the reality the the posts. Many have and will continue to do just that and not worry about potential implications. Many will have no choice if things continue to be disclosed. MSM may soon give you permission to believe. Or not believe if you think they are never honest. Regardless, the truth about the reality needs to be disclosed.

"Yes, there have been ET visitations. There have been crashed craft. There have been material and bodies recovered. There has been a certain amount of reverse engineering that has allowed some of these craft, or some components, to be duplicated. And there is some group of people that may or may not be associated with the government at this point that have this knowledge. They have been attempting to conceal this knowledge. People in high level government have very little, if any, valid information about this. It has been the subject of disinformation in order to deflect attention and create confusion so the truth doesn't come out. " Edgar D. Mitchell, The Way of the Explorer: An Apollo Astronaut's Journey Through the Material and Mystical World

For most skeptics here, the circumstantial evidence - at least the circumstantial evidence they're aware of - simply isn't enough to convince them of anything yet.

And that's perfectly fine.

Very few people here are "troubled" by the supposed "reality," should that reality ever come to fruition. You're not speaking to a bunch of 1950s, pearl-clutching housewives.

It's also not a "problem" that not everyone here is a Christian, born again or otherwise.

People simply have an issue with the manner in which you post, myself included. Very rarely do your posts jibe with or invite casual discussion, you often provide no context or pretext whatsoever, you link way too much to weirdo Farsight and Greer crap that literally no one here is watching/reading, and 99% of the time you sound like you're typing mystic kaons from a basement in a monastery, not like someone posting for fun on a college football message board.

People aren't turned off by the idea of aliens, they're turned off by the way you talk about aliens.

Despite how nutty and taboo this subject can be, there *are* ways to discuss it normally, without - excuse the pun - alienating them like you do. I appreciate your enthusiasm, I really do, but man, you have to quit actively trying to witness, preach, and proselytize so damn much (when this is coming from me, you know you have a problem). Speak casually and off-the-cuff. Bounce in and out of conversations. Express humility and doubt from time to time. Try relating to and empathizing with others. Just, you know... normal-human-being-on-a-message-board stuff.

Otherwise, all you're doing is perpetuating a stereotype to the Nth degree, while turning people away from this subject in droves, which I know is the last thing you want to do.

Aztec is definitely more committed to his shtick than even redstone

I stand behind what I've posted, much of it advocating for Apostolic (Catholic / Orthodox) Christianity.

Spyder, I think slowing down the posting would be productive, and no more promoting the obvious and proven frauds, especially Greer.

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read my further edits above..

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Ghost of Bisbee said:

"The reality is troubling for many" is a perfect example

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Aztec1948 said:

That is probably the most obvious thing I could ever had said. Many researchers believe THIS is the prime reason for the cover-up. Its effect on religion more specifically. At least initially. It still is IMO.

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Joes said:

It's hard for me to see this as a realistic argument. I'm not religious but:


Most major religions have no inherent conflict with non-Earth life and this has been shown and discussed with religious scholars numerous times. In fact, many religions are claimed to have UFO events documented within them.

According to Grusch the first event he's aware of involved The Vatican being in possession of a craft and giving it to the U.S. Why in the world The Vatican would give it to anyone instead of hoarding and hiding it themselves to keep it secret in their supposed vaults, much less to a non-majority Catholic country, is beyond me.

Most of the debunker/sceptic community pretty self-evidently comes from the left, or at least a secular background, because the overlap of their skepticism heavily applies to religion and other belief systems, too..

When Mars was popularly "known" to be inhabited after the canals hysteria it caused no breakdown of society or religion whatsoever.

Western society in general is by far the most secular in the world and yet we seem to be at the center of the "coverup".

Do you want more?

Wait, how about, the main Congressman aggressively promoting opening all this up is described this way:

Burchett's association with the Presbyterian faith has been instrumental in shaping his character and approach to serving the public.

For Representative Burchett, his Presbyterian faith forms the foundation of his values and informs his decisions as a lawmaker.




And yes, I realize that the reality is just too troubling for me or whatever.

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Most folks would find it troubling during that time period. The 1940's. Most believed in a true god. And even in the us govenment. Once the lie was told...others had to be told to maintain status quo. The Brookings Institute provided some thoughts to NASA in 1960:

The report recommended continuing studies "to determine emotional and intellectual understanding and attitudes" regarding the possibility of intelligent extraterrestrial life" and studies to understand "the behavior of peoples and their leaders when confronted with dramatic and unfamiliar events or social pressures." The latter aimed to determine how such information might be shared, or withheld, from the public.

Remember, in 1938, Orson Welles did his radio presentation of The War of the Worlds. Many took their own lives. Panic did insue. I suspect this could have played into the decision to reverse the Roswell story just 24yr after announcing a craft had been recovered. The data collected by Farsight gives details about the various stories in the Quran and the Bible. And reasons for the events. And religion oriented objects and events. I did not collect the data, but in my mind it makes a lot of sense. Especially, if you a very much convinced and believe the extraterrestrial reality.

Now, once you can get beyond a simple acknowledgement of the et reality...

Again, I would suggest watching the above linked documentary- 3rd Eye Spies

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Except the War of the Worlds panic is wildly overblown. Did some people freak out? Sure, but it wasn't the widespread mass hysteria like people think it was. And a lot of the ones that did panic thought it was the Germans or another country invading, not aliens.

Yall know how telling Johnny he needed to change his ways just made him go harder? Yea, thats probably whats going to happen here. He is going to double his efforts because his message just isn't getting through.

I like Spyder's posts and this thread. Keep posting. That's goes to everyone. It's a good discussion.

A really good interview of Col. Phillip Corso an Army intelligence official who did come in contact with extraterrestrial material. Physical contact, unlike David Brusch.

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I've been reticent to post, but I've been reading and watching materials on the mysterious shutdowns of ICBMs in the late '60s at Minot AFB, ND and Malmstrom AFB, MT. The gist of it is that in each case, personnel saw a hovering craft (UFO) near the entrance gate at the facility and at the same time all ICBMs went offline simultaneously. Whatever happened caused a failure/disruption of the gyroscopic guidance/targeting system, which caused the whole thing to shut down.

What if the US was testing out some new technology? You know, test it out on our own stuff and then use it on the Soviets? The lights/craft could have been a diversion while something else did the work. Occam's razor and all, it just seems a lot more likely that there's a simple earthly explanation. I have a hard time believing it was ETs. Even IF ETs were coming here, why would they choose that way of disarming our nukes? It was only temporary and zero damage was done.

I mean no disrespect to anyone, just interested in the discussion. I'll be transparent about my position: I'm a skeptic. I'm certain there is life elsewhere in the universe - the odds are way too great for there not to be. I also believe there is intelligent life out there, but the distances are so great that I'm not sure I buy them being able to visit us, not yet anyway. We have been broadcasting our presence for decades now, but it's going to take a lot more time for those signals to reach someone, and even more time for them to get here.

I'm open minded to all of it, but skeptical of all of it. And my specific thoughts and opinions keep shifting as I ponder it more.

The three videos that were released a while back (gimbal/gofast/flir) were all interesting (and I soooo wanted them to be valid proof of something) but the metabunk stuff on them seems to have offered reasonable explanations for each of them. The pilot testimonies are slightly more intriguing, because I give them the benefit of the doubt as trustworthy experts, but ultimately they're not totally compelling. We have all been tricked by our eyes. I don't think they're lying, but I also am not convinced that they observed what they think they did. Maybe so, maybe not.

I'm highly, highly skeptical that there are bodies or crashed aircraft anywhere. Wake me up when there's proof. Until then, I can't just take random claims as proof.

Now, all that said, it's possible that there are things out there. But the likelihood of beings from another part of the universe somehow finding us and traveling to us is so incredibly small, it doesn't pass muster. IF there's anything "otherworldly" or whatever going on, I think the idea that it's all earthly in origin is far more plausible than extra-terrestrial. In other words, if the earth is billions of years old, perhaps different trees of life branched out over the billions of years and developed in different ways, and are still moving about here on earth. I could believe that before I could believe that aliens from far away came here.

But again, ultimately, show me the proof (the actual proof, not the witness testimony), and I'll be on board. Until then, it's all just a far-fetched idea that I really hope is true but likely isn't.

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Right. This could all be over so quickly if that were true. I highly doubt some random USAF officer in 2023 was the first person to hear about any of this. However, he does claim to know where the bodies are currently buried (pun intended) which would end all speculation in less than 5 minutes but instead we are going to keep playing the "I've got a secret but can't tell you what it is" game.

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I've been reticent to post, but I've been reading and watching materials on the mysterious shutdowns of ICBMs in the late '60s at Minot AFB, ND and Malmstrom AFB, MT. The gist of it is that in each case, personnel saw a hovering craft (UFO) near the entrance gate at the facility and at the same time all ICBMs went offline simultaneously. Whatever happened caused a failure/disruption of the gyroscopic guidance/targeting system, which caused the whole thing to shut down.

What if the US was testing out some new technology? You know, test it out on our own stuff and then use it on the Soviets? The lights/craft could have been a diversion while something else did the work. Occam's razor and all, it just seems a lot more likely that there's a simple earthly explanation. I have a hard time believing it was ETs. Even IF ETs were coming here, why would they choose that way of disarming our nukes? It was only temporary and zero damage was done.

I mean no disrespect to anyone, just interested in the discussion. I'll be transparent about my position: I'm a skeptic. I'm certain there is life elsewhere in the universe - the odds are way too great for there not to be. I also believe there is intelligent life out there, but the distances are so great that I'm not sure I buy them being able to visit us, not yet anyway. We have been broadcasting our presence for decades now, but it's going to take a lot more time for those signals to reach someone, and even more time for them to get here.

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Right. This could all be over so quickly if that were true. I highly doubt some random USAF officer in 2023 was the first person to hear about any of this. However, he does claim to know where the bodies are currently buried (pun intended) which would end all speculation in less than 5 minutes but instead we are going to keep playing the "I've got a secret but can't tell you what it is" game.

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Right. This could all be over so quickly if that were true. I highly doubt some random USAF officer in 2023 was the first person to hear about any of this. However, he does claim to know where the bodies are currently buried (pun intended) which would end all speculation in less than 5 minutes but instead we are going to keep playing the "I've got a secret but can't tell you what it is" game.

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I'm speaking more to the overall absurdity of the situation. He says without a doubt he has locations of ships and bodies and he has told the government (lol at them not knowing something like this). Would you like to place a bet on how long it takes before anything is revealed, if ever?

Also, if these things are everywhere (which they are according to commercial and military pilots), why is the U.S. government the sole gatekeeper of this information?