Ghost of Bisbee said:

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Aztec1948 said:

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Sea Speed said:

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I have no idea but I'm skeptical that jumping straight to beings from another planet should be where we let our minds go out of the gate.

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"Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense." Former CIA Director, Roscoe Hillenkoetter, public statement, 1960.

"We alone cannot take credit for our technological advances,we have had help from people of other worlds". Dr. Herman Oberth, father of rocketry and aeronautics - American Weekly 1954

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false" -William Casey, CIA director, 1981

It is the most sensible, logical explanation.

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These explanations are much more believable and credible than the Greer videos

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Sea Speed said:

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No but I sure get the feeling you're trying to get me with some gotcha. I equated this a couple of times to the history of ancient seafaring. Sailors saw all kinds of stuff they were unfamiliar with and it was almost always attributed to seamonsters or other mythical creatures. We know that isn't true now. Man has been going to sea for centuries upon centuries yet we just took to the sky. I think as time marches on we will figure out the natural origins of some of these things. I honestly don't waste too much time thinking or worrying about it, just like all those Bigfoot shows etc, because when there is actual undeniable proof of these sorts of things, it will be the biggest story on earth. Every thing up to that point is just watching the soap opera.

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Rocagnante said:

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Sea Speed said:

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No but I sure get the feeling you're trying to get me with some gotcha. I equated this a couple of times to the history of ancient seafaring. Sailors saw all kinds of stuff they were unfamiliar with and it was almost always attributed to seamonsters or other mythical creatures. We know that isn't true now. Man has been going to sea for centuries upon centuries yet we just took to the sky. I think as time marches on we will figure out the natural origins of some of these things. I honestly don't waste too much time thinking or worrying about it, just like all those Bigfoot shows etc, because when there is actual undeniable proof of these sorts of things, it will be the biggest story on earth. Every thing up to that point is just watching the soap opera.

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No, no gotcha just wanted to talk Navy pilots with someone. I still think they might be lying.
Not willing to talk Bigfoot or sea monsters.

There are many holes in every theory right now…

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Aztec1948 said:

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Rocagnante said:

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Sea Speed said:

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No but I sure get the feeling you're trying to get me with some gotcha. I equated this a couple of times to the history of ancient seafaring. Sailors saw all kinds of stuff they were unfamiliar with and it was almost always attributed to seamonsters or other mythical creatures. We know that isn't true now. Man has been going to sea for centuries upon centuries yet we just took to the sky. I think as time marches on we will figure out the natural origins of some of these things. I honestly don't waste too much time thinking or worrying about it, just like all those Bigfoot shows etc, because when there is actual undeniable proof of these sorts of things, it will be the biggest story on earth. Every thing up to that point is just watching the soap opera.

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No, no gotcha just wanted to talk Navy pilots with someone. I still think they might be lying.
Not willing to talk Bigfoot or sea monsters.

There are many holes in every theory right now…

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Except the simple, obvious one.

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BenFiasco14 said:

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Spyderman, if your posts didn't come off as the "incoherent monk moaning and praying at a burning shrine while everyone else around you says run", maybe you'd be taken more seriously

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Ghost of Bisbee said:

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I think it's the hyperbole you use that causes people to jump ship

That and Greer videos. The guy has no credibility

I do appreciate what you bring to the table, but I think this is why you get pushback

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Ghost of Bisbee said:

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Aztec1948 said:

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Ghost of Bisbee said:

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I think it's the hyperbole you use that causes people to jump ship

That and Greer videos. The guy has no credibility

I do appreciate what you bring to the table, but I think this is why you get pushback

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read my further edits above..

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"The reality is troubling for many" is a perfect example

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Joes said:

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Aztec1948 said:

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Ghost of Bisbee said:

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Aztec1948 said:

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Ghost of Bisbee said:

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I think it's the hyperbole you use that causes people to jump ship

That and Greer videos. The guy has no credibility

I do appreciate what you bring to the table, but I think this is why you get pushback

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read my further edits above..

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"The reality is troubling for many" is a perfect example

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That is probably the most obvious thing I could ever had said. Many researchers believe THIS is the prime reason for the cover-up. Its effect on religion more specifically. At least initially. It still is IMO.

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It's hard for me to see this as a realistic argument. I'm not religious but:


Most major religions have no inherent conflict with non-Earth life and this has been shown and discussed with religious scholars numerous times. In fact, many religions are claimed to have UFO events documented within them.

According to Grusch the first event he's aware of involved The Vatican being in possession of a craft and giving it to the U.S. Why in the world The Vatican would give it to anyone instead of hoarding and hiding it themselves to keep it secret in their supposed vaults, much less to a non-majority Catholic country, is beyond me.

Most of the debunker/sceptic community pretty self-evidently comes from the left, or at least a secular background, because the overlap of their skepticism heavily applies to religion and other belief systems, too..

When Mars was popularly "known" to be inhabited after the canals hysteria it caused no breakdown of society or religion whatsoever.

Western society in general is by far the most secular in the world and yet we seem to be at the center of the "coverup".

Do you want more?

Wait, how about, the main Congressman aggressively promoting opening all this up is described this way:

Burchett's association with the Presbyterian faith has been instrumental in shaping his character and approach to serving the public.

For Representative Burchett, his Presbyterian faith forms the foundation of his values and informs his decisions as a lawmaker.




And yes, I realize that the reality is just too troubling for me or whatever.

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Joes said:

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I think I admit defeat, it is all real. Because the only plausible explanation I can come up with after reading Aztec1948's post is that he is indeed a being from another dimension. There aren't enough total drugs and head wounds possible combined to cause a real human being to write that stuff.

Congrats, I look forward to your rule. I told you guys I would admit if I was proven wrong, it just came from an unlikely source but I clearly lost.

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Coppell97 said:

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I like Spyder's posts and this thread. Keep posting. That's goes to everyone. It's a good discussion.

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GrapevineAg said:

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Coppell97 said:

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I like Spyder's posts and this thread. Keep posting. That's goes to everyone. It's a good discussion.

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I've been reticent to post, but I've been reading and watching materials on the mysterious shutdowns of ICBMs in the late '60s at Minot AFB, ND and Malmstrom AFB, MT. The gist of it is that in each case, personnel saw a hovering craft (UFO) near the entrance gate at the facility and at the same time all ICBMs went offline simultaneously. Whatever happened caused a failure/disruption of the gyroscopic guidance/targeting system, which caused the whole thing to shut down.

What if the US was testing out some new technology? You know, test it out on our own stuff and then use it on the Soviets? The lights/craft could have been a diversion while something else did the work. Occam's razor and all, it just seems a lot more likely that there's a simple earthly explanation. I have a hard time believing it was ETs. Even IF ETs were coming here, why would they choose that way of disarming our nukes? It was only temporary and zero damage was done.

I mean no disrespect to anyone, just interested in the discussion. I'll be transparent about my position: I'm a skeptic. I'm certain there is life elsewhere in the universe - the odds are way too great for there not to be. I also believe there is intelligent life out there, but the distances are so great that I'm not sure I buy them being able to visit us, not yet anyway. We have been broadcasting our presence for decades now, but it's going to take a lot more time for those signals to reach someone, and even more time for them to get here.

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highly, highly skeptical that there are bodies or crashed aircraft anywhere. Wake me up when there's proof. Until then, I can't just take random claims as proof.

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Right. This could all be over so quickly if that were true. I highly doubt some random USAF officer in 2023 was the first person to hear about any of this. However, he does claim to know where the bodies are currently buried (pun intended) which would end all speculation in less than 5 minutes but instead we are going to keep playing the "I've got a secret but can't tell you what it is" game.

Did people not learn anything as kids?

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