*** UAP THREAD ***

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More of the same + one balloon?

redline248
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That first tweet shows 2 objects, not one, imo
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That reminds of ....

"It's a good bet the empire knows we're here...."

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videoag98 said:

That reminds of ....

"It's a good bet the empire knows we're here...."



Me too! I first thought of an Imperial probe droid on Hoth lol.
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I do not think it's changing shape, just the camera film rate not able to keep up with the speed. ie. bugs in game cameras. Still very interesting
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This...


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The whole UAP question turns on timing. Walk the dates.

July 16, 1945. The Trinity test.

The first atomic bomb detonates in the New Mexico desert. Atmospheric fission has a signature nothing else in nature produces. It is the first announcement a species can make that it has crossed the energy threshold.

Within two years, the modern wave begins. Kenneth Arnold's sighting, June 1947. Roswell, eleven days later. The Air Force opens its first formal UFO investigation by 1948.

Now the detail that breaks every comfortable theory. In 1944, a year before Trinity, Allied pilots were already reporting glowing objects pacing their aircraft. They called them foo fighters. American command assumed they were German secret weapons. German pilots were reporting the same objects. They belonged to nobody in the war.

Do the math on distance. The nearest star system is over four light years away. Even moving at light speed, nothing out there could detect Trinity and arrive by 1947. And the foo fighters were already here before the bomb existed.

Whatever responded to Trinity did not travel here. It was already here when Trinity went off.

That deletes the invasion story, the visitation story, the recent-arrival story. And it forces a stranger question: what kind of thing waits?

Nothing alive. Biology has lifespans, expeditions have return dates, and no crew parks in a foreign solar system for a hundred thousand years waiting on primates to split the atom. But you already know what waits, because we build it ourselves. Voyager has flown for fifty years and will outlive everyone who launched it. When humans want to watch a place we cannot stay, we leave a machine.

Now give that logic to a civilization a million years older. It does not send crews. It seeds watchers: small, automated, patient, parked wherever a biosphere might someday produce technology. Waiting costs a machine nothing.

And it wakes for exactly one signal, the one that cannot be faked and cannot be missed: fission inside an atmosphere. The first atomic flash is the moment a biosphere announces it has produced something capable of ending itself or leaving home. Everything before that moment, the empires, the cathedrals, the radio broadcasts, is background noise. Trinity is when Earth became worth watching closely.

That is a sentinel. A tripwire with a camera, left behind by something that wanted to know one thing about this planet and was willing to wait indefinitely for the answer.

July 1945, the wire fires. The machine wakes. The protocol is simple: find the capability, catalog it, keep eyes on it.

And once you see that, the target list stops being random. It follows the weapons.

1948: green fireballs swarm Los Alamos, the lab that designed the bomb, so often the military convened a conference to rule them meteors. Dr. Lincoln LaPaz, the country's foremost meteor expert, said no. Meteors fall. These flew flat, silent, at constant speed, and kept choosing nuclear sites.

2015: an object violates the sealed airspace over Pantex, the most guarded plant in America, where every US warhead is assembled. Multiple personnel watched.

1967, Malmstrom Air Force Base: launch officers reported ten Minuteman ICBMs dropping offline one after another while security described a glowing object over the gate. The missiles were the one thing in the state that stopped working.

Put the three together and read the behavior. It ignores cities. It ignores presidents, armies, televisions, eight billion people. For 77 years it has shown up at exactly one address: the machinery of the bomb. The lab that designs it, the plant that builds it, the silos that would fire it.

It does not care about us. It cares what we can now do.

77 years of flawless patience. Zero contact. Zero mistakes. Its only job was to notice.

Everyone asks where they come from.

The record answers a different question: how long has the neighborhood been occupied.

Since before anyone was watching.

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Houston Lee
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I have said this before. Whomever "they" are, their interest in nuclear weapons and their ability to shut them down tells me that "they" will never allow a nuclear war to happen.
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Elizando, in Imminent, wrote that multiple briefings that had detailed speculation that earth is an important weigh and re-fueling station ……

Minerals and water
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Houston Lee said:

I have said this before. Whomever "they" are, their interest in nuclear weapons and their ability to shut them down tells me that "they" will never allow a nuclear war to happen.

I look forward to their explanation for Nagasaki.
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Hiroshima and Nagasaki are firecrackers compared to what we have now. That is the answer IMO.
Redstone
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Very easy to explain.

Semipalatinsk Test Site in Kazakhstan and Novaya Zemlya in the Arctic, about 800 tests, a combined yield far exceeding Hiroshima. Tsar Bomba in 1961 is probably the largest nuclear explosion ever …..

There have been many.

So it's not they're deployed, or the tech exists, it's the capacity since the 60s to mass destroy minerals and water they really care about.
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Area52 / Ramsay also has some really interesting older videos regarding

- early 20th Century accounts of saucers "hosing up" water
- occupants discussing mining minerals with rural farmers
- and, of course, all the activity underground and in water
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Apache
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Elizando, in Imminent, wrote that multiple briefings that had detailed speculation that earth is an important weigh and re-fueling station ……

Minerals and water

Why wouldn't they just use asteroids as a mineral source?
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Quote:


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The whole UAP question turns on timing. Walk the dates.

July 16, 1945. The Trinity test.

The first atomic bomb detonates in the New Mexico desert. Atmospheric fission has a signature nothing else in nature produces. It is the first announcement a species can make that it has crossed the energy threshold.

Within two years, the modern wave begins. Kenneth Arnold's sighting, June 1947. Roswell, eleven days later. The Air Force opens its first formal UFO investigation by 1948.

Now the detail that breaks every comfortable theory. In 1944, a year before Trinity, Allied pilots were already reporting glowing objects pacing their aircraft. They called them foo fighters. American command assumed they were German secret weapons. German pilots were reporting the same objects. They belonged to nobody in the war.

Do the math on distance. The nearest star system is over four light years away. Even moving at light speed, nothing out there could detect Trinity and arrive by 1947. And the foo fighters were already here before the bomb existed.

Whatever responded to Trinity did not travel here. It was already here when Trinity went off.

That deletes the invasion story, the visitation story, the recent-arrival story. And it forces a stranger question: what kind of thing waits?

Nothing alive. Biology has lifespans, expeditions have return dates, and no crew parks in a foreign solar system for a hundred thousand years waiting on primates to split the atom. But you already know what waits, because we build it ourselves. Voyager has flown for fifty years and will outlive everyone who launched it. When humans want to watch a place we cannot stay, we leave a machine.

Now give that logic to a civilization a million years older. It does not send crews. It seeds watchers: small, automated, patient, parked wherever a biosphere might someday produce technology. Waiting costs a machine nothing.

And it wakes for exactly one signal, the one that cannot be faked and cannot be missed: fission inside an atmosphere. The first atomic flash is the moment a biosphere announces it has produced something capable of ending itself or leaving home. Everything before that moment, the empires, the cathedrals, the radio broadcasts, is background noise. Trinity is when Earth became worth watching closely.

That is a sentinel. A tripwire with a camera, left behind by something that wanted to know one thing about this planet and was willing to wait indefinitely for the answer.

July 1945, the wire fires. The machine wakes. The protocol is simple: find the capability, catalog it, keep eyes on it.

And once you see that, the target list stops being random. It follows the weapons.

1948: green fireballs swarm Los Alamos, the lab that designed the bomb, so often the military convened a conference to rule them meteors. Dr. Lincoln LaPaz, the country's foremost meteor expert, said no. Meteors fall. These flew flat, silent, at constant speed, and kept choosing nuclear sites.

2015: an object violates the sealed airspace over Pantex, the most guarded plant in America, where every US warhead is assembled. Multiple personnel watched.

1967, Malmstrom Air Force Base: launch officers reported ten Minuteman ICBMs dropping offline one after another while security described a glowing object over the gate. The missiles were the one thing in the state that stopped working.

Put the three together and read the behavior. It ignores cities. It ignores presidents, armies, televisions, eight billion people. For 77 years it has shown up at exactly one address: the machinery of the bomb. The lab that designs it, the plant that builds it, the silos that would fire it.

It does not care about us. It cares what we can now do.

77 years of flawless patience. Zero contact. Zero mistakes. Its only job was to notice.

Everyone asks where they come from.

The record answers a different question: how long has the neighborhood been occupied.

Since before anyone was watching.


Here I thought there were 4 (or more) races of aliens on earth. Not machines.
And this hypothesis disregards the many other alleged contacts including abductions & experiments between ordinary people all over the world not involving nuclear sites. Are we to consider those hoaxes?
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The above doesn't negate other species also visiting/being here simultaneously. Both can be true at once.
Apache
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The above doesn't negate other species also visiting/being here simultaneously. Both can be true at once.

I agree, but that's not what the guy in the link said. He specifically said "nothing alive".
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I think ONE "faction" or whatever - the one monitoring our nukes so closely - could fall into the "nothing alive" category. The same ones who are "easily" lured by our government/contractors.

But the other groups/species, if they exist, could easily be biological.
Redstone
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How many factions and species are there? How diverse are the needs or wants?

If the universe is teeming with life, it's easy to imagine our natural resources are in some way attractive.
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Making my way through some of the documents in the 4th release of newly declassified UAP files. This is an interesting one worth a read. All of the attendees were puzzled about "green fireball" sightings and couldn't find any natural explanation for them. In fact, the "green fireballs" didn't behave like meteors at all.

https://www.war.gov/ufo/?releaseDate=Release+04&release=04&type=.pdf#DOE-UAP-D004-Los-Alamos-Conference-on-Aerial-Phenomena-1949

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This document is a transcript of a 1949 conference held at Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory (now Los Alamos National Laboratory), Los Alamos, New Mexico. Attendees included several eminent scientists and physicists, many of whom had contributed to the development of the first nuclear weapons during the Manhattan Project. The purpose of the conference was to discuss and gather hypotheses to account for the nature and origin of a phenomenon involving "green fireballs" that had been reported over a period of several months in the vicinity of the laboratory. The group did not come to a consensus on a likely attribution for the phenomenon, though a leading hypothesis was that the observations may have been related to meteors entering the atmosphere at a shallow angle and high altitude. Dr. Edward Teller suggested that if not a "material body," an "electron phenomenon" might be the cause, while Dr. Lincoln LaPaz, an expert specializing in meteorics, expressed that "nothing like this, to [his] knowledge, has ever been observed in the case of meteorite drops."
This meeting has been classified for 77 years.

Generally speaking, I've found the documents in these releases to be much more interesting than any of the videos or pictures.
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If the universe is teeming with life, it's easy to imagine our natural resources are in some way attractive.

Conversely, if we imagine biological life with the technology to defy physics as we know it to travel here, one would think they could manufacture/mine whatever natural resources they need closer to home since all earth elements are found elsewhere.
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I think ONE "faction" or whatever - the one monitoring our nukes so closely - could fall into the "nothing alive" category. The same ones who are "easily" lured by our government/contractors.

But the other groups/species, if they exist, could easily be biological.

So what do you think is going on?
Remote technology monitoring earth, awakened by our nuclear advancement?
A species (or multiple species) of biological alien life interacting with us?
Something on another plane (such as Redstone posits) Angels/Demons etc are here?
Is it advanced American defense tech?
All of the above?
G Martin 87
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Here is the sighting report that goes with this video:



https://www.war.gov/medialink/ufo/071026/release_04/documents/DOW-UAP-D091_Range-Fouler-Debrief_Atlantic-Ocean_2020.pdf

The sighting occurred over the "Atlantic Ocean" in 2020, but the specifics have been heavily redacted. Nevertheless, this appears to have been a balloon of some kind.
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A U.S. military operator reported observing an object, describing the phenomenon as "darker, maroonish color, approximately 12-15 feet in height." The report describes the phenomenon "travel[ing] with the wind" and noted that it did not "maneuver or change direction." It also describes the phenomenon as appearing as a "large, somewhat deformed balloon."
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The sighting occurred over the "Atlantic Ocean" in 2020, but the specifics have been heavily redacted. Nevertheless, this appears to have been a balloon of some kind.

Possibly a Chinese balloon similar to those that floated over the continental US roughly the same time period,
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Here's another document that adds to what we already know. Remember the Avrocar project?



One of the newly declassified documents sheds more light on the original hopes for the project and why it was canceled. They had hoped to create a saucer that could go Mach 3.5 and at high altitude. In reality, the design was flawed from the beginning.

https://www.war.gov/ufo/?releaseDate=Release+04&release=04&type=.pdf#DOW-UAP-D095-Joint-US-Canadian-Aviation-Projects-and-UFO-Sighting-Reports-1954-1955

Of course, there are the predictable claims that the Soviets are working on this too, and the US needs to keep pace.

Also, there is this fascinating claim regarding one of the German saucer scientists:



The claim that Miethe (or anyone for that matter) escaped Nazi controlled Czechoslovakia in an Me-163 is implausible to say the least, if not ridiculous.
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Franco pulling a Joaquin Phoenix perhaps?
redline248
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In May, Franco said he's returning with a "big studio" film. I'm going to guess this is early marketing.
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Surely he doesn't expect normal folk to believe that's real. Funny he sure does have a lot of cameras set up in weird locations around his house
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plowboy1065 said:

Surely he doesn't expect normal folk to believe that's real. Funny he sure does have a lot of cameras set up in weird locations around his house


Restone believes it completely and will be referencing it in all posts going forward.
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Sure dude. You actually want to have a substantive conversation about a relevant topic here sometime, or will it always be drive-by inanity?
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Redstone said:

Sure dude. You actually want to have a substantive conversation about a relevant topic here sometime, or will it always be drive-by inanity?


LOL calm down, it's a joke
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The paragraph below is from Chris Bledsoe's UFOs of God. Whatever your criticism of him, FedGov was and is extremely interested, which is indisputable by the non-public facilities photos and visits he has with Tim Taylor of NASA and various CIA.

This also fits Elizando's Imminent, which has sections on orbs, as well as many of the channels commonly posted here.


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