At least one commenter on the Reddit thread suggested that OP could have used ChatGPT to write the post. There's a lot of word salad throughout. Impressive sounding, to be sure, but ChatGPT is capable of writing stuff that sounds legitimate. The timeframe works out, too. ChatGPT supposedly only has access to works written before 2011, IIRC.

Maybe it's a modern day L. Ron Hubbard

G Martin 87 said:

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At least one commenter on the Reddit thread suggested that OP could have used ChatGPT to write the post. There's a lot of word salad throughout. Impressive sounding, to be sure, but ChatGPT is capable of writing stuff that sounds legitimate. The timeframe works out, too. ChatGPT supposedly only has access to works written before 2011, IIRC.

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September 2021

So, we all die and then join the "collective". The more life and experiences we have, the more our souls develop. Our souls are being farmed to reach the apotheosis.

The beings seem like worker bees designed to "travel" and sent to tend the farm (i.e. us). Those that created these worker bees are the ones I am most interested in. Who are they and where are they? They seem to not be able to travel here.

Houston Lee said:

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So, we all die and then join the "collective". The more life and experiences we have, the more our souls develop. Our souls are being farmed to reach the apotheosis.

The beings seem like worker bees designed to "travel" and sent to tend the farm (i.e. us). Those that created these worker bees are the ones I am most interested in. Who are they and where are they? They seem to not be able to travel here.

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I'm more interested in their creators as well, but if there's any truth at to any of this at all, I think they *are* able to travel here, it's just way easier to send the worker drones instead. Or, rather, to have them take care of the more monotonous tasks, while the big dogs show up every so often for the more important tasks.

There's also, of course, the theory that the grays aren't just drones, but avatars. So their creators *are* here, but as remote operators of disposable gray avatars, not in the flesh.

TCTTS said:

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Houston Lee said:

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So, we all die and then join the "collective". The more life and experiences we have, the more our souls develop. Our souls are being farmed to reach the apotheosis.

The beings seem like worker bees designed to "travel" and sent to tend the farm (i.e. us). Those that created these worker bees are the ones I am most interested in. Who are they and where are they? They seem to not be able to travel here.

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I'm more interested in their creators as well, but if there's any truth at to any of this at all, I think they *are* able to travel here, it's just way easier to send the worker drones instead. Or, rather, to have them take care of the more monotonous tasks, while the big dogs show up every so often for the more important tasks.

There's also, of course, the theory that the grays aren't just drones, but avatars. So their creators *are* here, but as remote operators of disposable gray avatars, not in the flesh.

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What an interesting religion. So they get a group (of worker drones) to buy in and believe that they're expendable and they'll get closer to nirvana by working for the elites best interests.

Haha, I guess being sucker played by the elites is universal no matter what planet or species!

I know you're half joking, but I took it as them trying to spark nirvana/apotheosis throughout the universe, for either the greater, universal good - or - for their own research purposes. Not necessarily for their own enlightenment. As in, they're stewards of apotheosis throughout the universe, for all kinds of life and planets, while maybe doing some research while they're at it. Something along those lines. Probably a little too kumbaya, and the reality is potentially more selfish, but who knows.

Okay, perhaps, and let's just say that's accurate for this next hypothetical:

What if they think we may hinder or try to stop their religious quest for universal nirvana?

Then I think they would have already wiped us out years ago.

TCTTS said:

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Then I think they would have already wiped us out years ago.

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Also, if there was a darker agenda, wouldn't they lie to us and tell us something exactly like what we've been told? Universal nirvana or sum such garbage…

You're probably right.

I'm 99.9% sure that no matter what the motivation behind what they're doing is, it's ultimately for their own self interests. I would hope that somehow corresponds to helping us as opposed to subjugating or using us.

I can see no reason for them or anyone to help or lift up humanity outside of a religious calling. Why would anyone do that out of the kindness of their heart? It goes against self preservation and nature in general…

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I'm 99.9% sure that no matter what the motivation behind what they're doing is, it's ultimately for their own self interests. I would hope that somehow corresponds to helping us as opposed to subjugating or using us.

I can see no reason for them or anyone to help or lift up humanity outside of a religious calling. Why would anyone do that out of the kindness of their heart? It goes against self preservation and nature in general…

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I think - maybe - it's possible that if you've been around for, say, a million years, and have already achieved apotheosis or enlightenment or whatever yourselves, perhaps all that's left to do is help others achieve it as well. There's all this talk about these beings not being from another planet, but rather from another dimension. So, once upon a time, maybe they *were* from another planet, eventually achieved apotheosis, then ascended to some higher plane. And now, they send their biological drones/avatars to the material dimension to ensure that certain material life eventually gets there as well. That's one scenario, at least.

That said, yeah, I think there would still be a research/self-serving component as well in some way.

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I know that under this scenario, we're not privy to their "key performance indicators", goals, or ROI formulas. But does it seem to anyone else that they're accomplishing much? They zip around, flash their lights, occasionally walk through neighborhoods and get caught in grainy video camera footage lurking behind the bushes, then abduct someone or mutilate some livestock, only to crash in sparsely populated areas. What exactly are they "nurturing"? I mean, it sounds more like a bad DUI arrest than a missionary trip.

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I think it would be less about nurturing and more about just making sure we don't destroy ourselves. Maybe we have to reach apotheosis ourselves, with minimal aid. They can kind of nudge us here and there, but nothing too blatant, or else we don't "earn" it. Or, maybe when we hit a certain marker, they take our hand from there and make sure we get across the finish line.

That's wild. What a beautiful thought. In that sense they'd be a type of angel for lack of a better word. Interesting…

Exactly. Tying it all back to Redstone!

For Levant religious writers, from approx 500 BC to the 2nd Century, angel" means messenger and "satan" means accuser. These are more job descriptions and less categories of being.

Therefore, elohims - spirit beings, with one Supreme Elohim - is a broad term that can accommodate the testimonies of threads such as this one.

Take credible military officials, especially in the US and UK, who detail significant activity around nuclear weapon facilities since the 1970s.

While it may be somewhat valid to think "angels" are protecting humanity, a broader terminology and understanding in this context has explanatory power - for example, "powers of the air" and "princes," as in Daniel 10. Some fallen, some not, of different types, functions, hierarchies.

Extraterrestrials are extremely diverse I would imagine. Big neighborhood. Sky gods they were called by primitive civilizations. Sons of God as well. Angels, demons, goblins and who knows what else our forefathers termed them. The Dogon tribe of Mali evidently have their culture centered around the Sirius star system. The know the system is binary. "Modern" man wasn't aware of this until late in the 1800's. The Dogon didn't get their info from The National Geographic. Or the NYT. Man was not even aware of other planets back then. Now we are.

Spyder, do you think ETs live among us?

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Take credible military officials, especially in the US and UK, who detail significant activity around nuclear weapon facilities since the 1970s.

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I was born on an AF base near the Canadian border in the mid-70s. My father and I recently had some renewed conversations around activity that occurred on-base within months of my birth. For several nights, 'something' would fly over the base, coming from over the Canadian border, hover over the munitions storage area and then fly back over the border.

On one of the nights, my dad was off duty at home with me and heard a helicopter flying really low. He went out into the backyard and caught a glimpse of one of the base helicopters chasing the UAP.

From all accounts I have read of the incidents on base, the UAP acted like a helicopter, but did not look like one.

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Spyder, do you think ETs live among us?

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Man, I would not be shocked if they did. U?

Si comprehenderis, non est Deus. - Augustine

"If you understand it, then it is not God"

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Ghost of Bisbee said:

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Spyder, do you think ETs live among us?

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Man, I would not be shocked if they did. U?

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Every damn day

https://www.reddit.com/r/aliens/comments/14rp7w9/from_the_late_2000s_to_the_mid2010s_i_worked_as_a/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

he posted AGAIN?!?

lunchbox said:

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he posted AGAIN?!?

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Same thread, but there is an ongoing Q&A exchange between "Punjabi-Batman" and the OP that is interesting.

A method of analysis I like, the "Fortean" :
named after Charles Fort, 1874-1932, America's first investigative journalist. By the standard of a court of law, what does the facts and evidence suggest? Begin with skepticism, consider the possibilities of subjectivity and fallacies, and be open to non-materialist explanations. Consider the evidence, as would a court of law. Across time and environment, thinking through commonality:
- first-hand testimony - documents - financial records - expert testimony - patterns of incident - historical context - circumstantial evidence - lack of circumstantial evidence

Regarding "grays," patterns of incident and first-hand testimonies, even with hoaxers, seems to me to be consistent across time and environment, post-Roswell.
Similarly, the context of the 19th Century had some commonalities IMO, especially "cigar-shaped" objects.

I'm inclined to believe the Redditor

I've seen one biologist, who goes through a few of this guy's claims, and points out where and why he gets a number of technical issues wrong. To the point where this biologist is convinced the guy is a fake.

But then I've seen multiple other experts who say he's absolutely the real deal, has at least worked in *a* lab, knows his stuff forwards and backwards, etc. And their reasoning for this guy getting a few things wrong is that if he were an expert in field [X] he wouldn't necessary be an expert in field [Y], hence the errors, etc.

So I don't know who to believe, and we'll probably never know. It's still beyond interesting, though.

The very best hoaxers are not just high-level experts, such as Mark Hoffman the Salamander letter, but also disappearing acts. Either way, like Q (CIA contractors re: online crowd control, IMO) it is noteworthy.

Related:
One aspect of the Grusch testimony that really matters is named, credentialed professionals with things to lose vouching for him. Would be nice to have that regarding a biological entity researcher.

Really great (and long) interview today with Ross Coutlhart that dives more into David Grusch (Coulthart is the journalist who interviewed him), the upcoming hearings, etc. Just a lot of good context and a nice little overview of where we're at with all that. There's also this insane gem in the tweet below (while the full interview is in the YouTube embed)...

A HUGE UFO

What if at least one non-human craft is so big that it can't be moved? Even if they're given a 6 month warning?

Ross Coulthart drops a big hint about one crash retrieval.

Full Interview: https://t.co/HEnoFhj6SI#ufotwitter #uaptwitter #ufo #ufos pic.twitter.com/Y0mppe1mcD

— Mike Colangelo (@MikeColangelo) July 7, 2023