*****The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power*****

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I guess we will find out in a couple years. I just dont think anyone should be using anything from the Silmarilion as as a reason it cant be Gandalf.

i would have personally liked it to be a blue wizard, or a non Gandalf person, but I'm with MC on this.
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Look at The Irishman. Widely critically acclaimed and nominated for several Oscars IIRC, but it had a $160 million budget and generated maybe 120-150 million viewership hours. Prestigious, but not really money well spent unless Netflix sees something in viewership data that says it boosted viewership elsewhere.
If we assume each of those estimated 120-150 million viewership hours was smeone buying a month of membership. Using a three hour movie, and a minimum of a month of subscription.
150,000,000 viewership hours / 3 hour movie = 50,000,000 monthly memberships * $15 membership = $750 million or 4 times the budget. I'd take that deal if I were Netflix.


Except Netflix didn't add 50 million viewers with The Irishman. The overwhelmingly vast majority of the viewers already had subscriptions and would have paid them regardless, so Netflix could have theoretically saved $160 million if it never existed. The question is how much retention did it garner and how many viewers it added. It needed to either retain or add about 2 million accounts for 6 months each just to break even (or in any way achieve 12 million subscriber months). That sounds small compared to Netflix's 220 million subscriber base, but it is not an insignificant amount. It's basically a quarterly add. I highly doubt that it attained that on its own.

Netflix is well saturated in the US, so foreign content is likely to get more new subscribers, while English and particularly US based content is likely to keep subscribers. That's why Netflix has been expanding foreign content for the last few years. The Irishman is a one time watch that isn't going to keep someone for six months, and it's likely not bringing in foreign or domestic subscribers. Only Netflix knows the real impact because they have the subscriber breakdown and history, but I kind of doubt it was worth what they ultimately spent on a viewership hour/budget $ basis.

What keeps viewers is having a wide breadth of content or rewatachable content (reruns, kids' shows) to fill viewership hours per month. That means cheap shows and movies with big names that create wide ranging content for all audiences. The Irishman doesn't really fit that because it's more of an artistic movie than a consumption movie. Red Notice had an even bigger budget, but it also generated 330 million viewer hours and will likely get a lot of rewatches because it's fun and feature length. Rewatching the Irishman is like rewatching Titanic or The Godfather. People don't do it for movie night. Ultimately, Red Notice got twice the bang for the buck in terms of viewership hours, even though it's got a 6.3 IMDB rating and like 36% on Rotten Tomatoes. Considering it's half the length, that means it reached 4x the viewers, too. While The Irishman may have prestige, it doesn't exactly provide a great return considering it's huge budget yet minimal impact in terms of metrics.
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Oh wow, who didn't see any of this coming? I've seen some of these rumors from other sites as well.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/11/08/new-rumor-claims-prime-video-to-completely-reboot-the-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-after-creatively-bankrupt-first-season/
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This new rumor comes from YouTuber Gary Buechler of Nerdrotic


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The title in the link was suspect enough, but then it led with this
"A new rumor claims that Prime Video will be completely rebooting The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power following the creatively bankrupt first season, which chose to throw out Tolkien and replace it with intersectional feminism."

Why do people keep linking idiocy lately
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Lol... that reads like an Onion article. I mean... it's true, but it's still ridiculous.
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javajaws said:

Oh wow, who didn't see any of this coming? I've seen some of these rumors from other sites as well.

https://boundingintocomics.com/2022/11/08/new-rumor-claims-prime-video-to-completely-reboot-the-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-after-creatively-bankrupt-first-season/
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Adar recast for S2. This seems odd.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/the-rings-of-power-season-2-cast-1235273164/
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Adar recast for S2. This seems odd.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/the-rings-of-power-season-2-cast-1235273164/


Just looked the new guy up, not really any resemblance between the actors, other than being dark haired white guys, so maybe the character undergoes some transformation? Or maybe the original actor is just an ******* and they didn't want him around anymore.
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'THE LORD OF THE RINGS: THE RINGS OF POWER' Season 2 will have an all-female directing team.
In other words, men are too smart to attach their name to this dumpster fire.
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I really liked it. Looking forward to Season 2.
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I've begun a re-watch of this, and so of course I catch some things here and there I didn't notice the first time or failed to pay enough attention to.

One example: While Galadriel is aboard the boat headed for the undying lands, we cut to Elrond and Gil-Galad talking.

Elrond says: "She has passed beyond my sight. She was so certain that her quest would continue."

To which G-G responds:

"We foresaw that might inadvertently have inadvertently kept alive the very evil she sought to defeat."

So I suppose this was foreshadowing of her not just encountering Sauron on the ocean, but racing him back to the elves to be healed after he was gravely wounded. And then, of course, she brings him into contact with Celebrimbor, with whom he works to get the creation of the rings underway.

My only issue here is that yeah, she "kept him alive" by getting him some elf medicine. But even if she hadn't, and he'd "died" of that wound, it's not like he's really gone. We learn during the series that Adar straight up murdered him, but here he is years later, stabbing Adar through the hand and asking, "Do you remember me?"

So, was it really even in her power to 'save' a life that couldn't really be destroyed at that point?
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Ciaran Hinds, who played Mance Raydar on Game of Thrones, added to Season 2 of Rings of Power.
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The Porkchop Express said:

Ciaran Hinds, who played Mance Raydar on Game of Thrones, added to Season 2 of Rings of Power.

I take it he'll play "The King Beyond Mount Doom."
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AgE2theBONE said:

The Porkchop Express said:

Ciaran Hinds, who played Mance Raydar on Game of Thrones, added to Season 2 of Rings of Power.

I take it he'll play "The King Beyond Mount Doom."
Could see him playing an elf or something too. Before Game of Thrones, I first saw him as Julius Caesar on HBO's Rome.
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PatAg said:

AgE2theBONE said:

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Ciaran Hinds, who played Mance Raydar on Game of Thrones, added to Season 2 of Rings of Power.

I take it he'll play "The King Beyond Mount Doom."
Could see him playing an elf or something too. Before Game of Thrones, I first saw him as Julius Caesar on HBO's Rome.

I've been a (nearly obsessed) amateur historian of the last century of the Roman Republic and when I heard he was cast as Caesar I didn't like it at all.

But he did a fine job, despite being unlike Caesar in many ways, including his portrayal of Caesar.
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AgE2theBONE said:

PatAg said:

AgE2theBONE said:

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Ciaran Hinds, who played Mance Raydar on Game of Thrones, added to Season 2 of Rings of Power.

I take it he'll play "The King Beyond Mount Doom."
Could see him playing an elf or something too. Before Game of Thrones, I first saw him as Julius Caesar on HBO's Rome.

I've been a (nearly obsessed) amateur historian of the last century of the Roman Republic and when I heard he was cast as Caesar I didn't like it at all.

But he did a fine job, despite being unlike Caesar in many ways, including his portrayal of Caesar.
He was one of my casting "misses" for GoT. Mance as supposed to be dashing and youthful, not bitter and pissed. He has a good LOTR face though.
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C@LAg said:

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He was one of my casting "misses" for GoT. Mance as supposed to be dashing and youthful, not bitter and pissed. He has a good LOTR face though.
not a miss at all. was awesome in the role.
He was fine in the role, but having read the books first, he didn't reflect what the description that GGRM gave him.
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So? Doesn't make it a casting miss. Pretty sure Tyrion wasn't supposed to look like Peter Dinklage either.
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

So? Doesn't make it a casting miss. Pretty sure Tyrion wasn't supposed to look like Peter Dinklage either.
It's just my personal opinion. I'm not trying to say my word is law.
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C@LAg said:

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C@LAg said:

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He was one of my casting "misses" for GoT. Mance as supposed to be dashing and youthful, not bitter and pissed. He has a good LOTR face though.
not a miss at all. was awesome in the role.
He was fine in the role, but having read the books first, he didn't reflect what the description that GGRM gave him.
ridiculous

using your same argument...

"black hobbits"...

it was a different take, but it works within the scope of the version of the story they told. and makes much more sense for someone living north of the wall.

It's just not what I had in mind based on how I read the book. I'm not trying to pick a fight.
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I've never read anything outside of LOTR and The Hobbit, so I don't have a dog in that fight.
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The Porkchop Express said:

I've never read anything outside of LOTR and The Hobbit, so I don't have a dog in that fight.


You really should read The Silmarllion. Great stories and characters in their own right, besides being the setup for the Third Age winding down with LOTR.
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C@LAg said:

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It's just not what I had in mind based on how I read the book. I'm not trying to pick a fight.
no one is fighting.

it is just weird you accept all the bad Caracter and story revisions for RoP but this one casting issue in another story bothered you.

When you respond to someone's opinion as "ridiculous," then whether you call it a fight or not, your response is rude, and unnecessarily insulting.
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C@LAg said:

AgE2theBONE said:

C@LAg said:

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It's just not what I had in mind based on how I read the book. I'm not trying to pick a fight.
no one is fighting.

it is just weird you accept all the bad Caracter and story revisions for RoP but this one casting issue in another story bothered you.

When you respond to someone's opinion as "ridiculous," then whether you call it a fight or not, your response is rude, and unnecessarily insulting.
ridiculous.

https://texags.com/forums/13/topics/3312373/replies/62869113
Good to know the obsessive stalking of my post history by TexAggers didn't die in 2021. I think I'm going to just hang out on the baseball board for a while.
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C@LAg said:

AgE2theBONE said:

C@LAg said:

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It's just not what I had in mind based on how I read the book. I'm not trying to pick a fight.
no one is fighting.

it is just weird you accept all the bad Caracter and story revisions for RoP but this one casting issue in another story bothered you.

When you respond to someone's opinion as "ridiculous," then whether you call it a fight or not, your response is rude, and unnecessarily insulting.
ridiculous.

https://texags.com/forums/13/topics/3312373/replies/62869113

What does that link have to do with my response to your post?
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Additional casting news including Rory Kinnear.

https://deadline.com/2023/03/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-ciaran-hinds-rory-kinnear-tanya-moodie-cast-season-2-1235303666/amp/
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Only 37% of viewers finished RoP

Well that's not good. If the majority didn't finish it when it was fresh, I'm wondering how many will come back for season 2 and what their overall viewership ended up at.
 
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