That's just not factual. They absolutely need BOTH audiences. I agree with you 100% that their top priority is to make make money - I've been arguing that for years - but it makes ZERO sense to claim that they're money-making strategy doesn't also involve trying to make the fanbase happy. That's paranoia speaking, and such a willfully cynical read of the situation.
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They don't need to pander to the hardcore audience though. It is much much smaller than the casual fan.TCTTS said:
That's just not factual. They absolutely need BOTH audiences. I agree with you 100% that their top priority is to make make money - I've been arguing that for years - but it makes ZERO sense to claim that they're money-making strategy doesn't also involve trying to make the fanbase happy. That's paranoia speaking, and such a willfully cynical read of the situation.
The Simarillion has sold ~1 million copies worldwide in the last 50 years. The Unfinished Tales even less.
11 million saw the hobbit opening weekend in North America.
You don't need the hardcore audience to make money. It is easier to shoot for the fat part of the bell curve.
TCTTS said:
That's just not factual. They absolutely need BOTH audiences. I agree with you 100% that their top priority is to make make money - I've been arguing that for years - but it makes ZERO sense to claim that they're money-making strategy doesn't also involve trying to make the fanbase happy. That's paranoia speaking, and such a willfully cynical read of the situation.
I think the last trilogy of star wars movies shows that you don't have to keep the original fan base happy and you can still make billions.
Not saying this is what ROP is doing. Never read Simillarion, so I don't really know or care what is different. So far the show is a decent Amazon watch imo, but I liked shows like Reacher better. I would probably like this show a lot better if they nixed the hobbits completely and gave that screen time to the black elf storyline, as he's the best part of the show so far imo.
But when you have name brand recognition, and you have tens of millions of people worldwide constantly demanding more content from streaming services, you can be a lot less caring about how faithful it is to the source material.
I'm also thinking that Mordor ends up getting more sealed off from The rest of the continent during this time.
Geographically, the southlands should be the land southwest of Gondor - I think.
Geographically, the southlands should be the land southwest of Gondor - I think.
Episode 1, 36:30, they do a cinematic of the map going from Lindon to the Southlands.
Its absoloutely to the East of where Mordor is here. http://lotrproject.com/map/#zoom=4&lat=-1956.49458&lon=2039.92288&layers=BTTTTTTTT
East of the Sea of Nurnen on the map.
Whether that makes sense, who knows.
Its absoloutely to the East of where Mordor is here. http://lotrproject.com/map/#zoom=4&lat=-1956.49458&lon=2039.92288&layers=BTTTTTTTT
East of the Sea of Nurnen on the map.
Whether that makes sense, who knows.
OnlyForNow said:
I'm also thinking that Mordor ends up getting more sealed off from The rest of the continent during this time.
Geographically, the southlands should be the land southwest of Gondor - I think.
I went down a rabbit hole and found this interactive map:
http://lotrproject.com/map/#zoom=3&lat=-1315.5&lon=1500&layers=B
Would you guys please stop cluttering up the thread with nonsense about where the Southlands are located and let us concentrate on the pizzing contest about how much Hollywood does or doesn't hate the audience?SoulSlaveAG2005 said:OnlyForNow said:
I'm also thinking that Mordor ends up getting more sealed off from The rest of the continent during this time.
Geographically, the southlands should be the land southwest of Gondor - I think.
I went down a rabbit hole and found this interactive map:
http://lotrproject.com/map/#zoom=3&lat=-1315.5&lon=1500&layers=B
Please note that this is complete sarcasm and I greatly appreciate the information about the show itself. Maybe the thread can get back on track.
Map Nerds
Sorry… nothing better than seeing a ton of updates and thinking "yes the Uber nerds are discussing the finer points of the storyline and providing insight to us casual nerds…" only to find out the thread has derailed once again into a slap fight…
I am personally not getting too hung up on borders of Mordor in the 3rd age vs what we are seeing today in a prior age.
For one, when reading the books and looking at maps as well, the LOTR maps don't really have strong demarcations. The lands and nations kind of muddle next to each other.
Also, a la Russia in the 20th century, nations grow and shrink in size with time.
For one, when reading the books and looking at maps as well, the LOTR maps don't really have strong demarcations. The lands and nations kind of muddle next to each other.
Also, a la Russia in the 20th century, nations grow and shrink in size with time.
Madmarttigan said:
Map Nerds
I was going to be a jerk and ask, what if we wanted to see things from the Silmarillion? No Beleriand! But then saw the option in the top right.SoulSlaveAG2005 said:OnlyForNow said:
I'm also thinking that Mordor ends up getting more sealed off from The rest of the continent during this time.
Geographically, the southlands should be the land southwest of Gondor - I think.
I went down a rabbit hole and found this interactive map:
http://lotrproject.com/map/#zoom=3&lat=-1315.5&lon=1500&layers=B
My bad I just linked the same thing.SoulSlaveAG2005 said:OnlyForNow said:
I'm also thinking that Mordor ends up getting more sealed off from The rest of the continent during this time.
Geographically, the southlands should be the land southwest of Gondor - I think.
I went down a rabbit hole and found this interactive map:
http://lotrproject.com/map/#zoom=3&lat=-1315.5&lon=1500&layers=B
Now I need something like this for Stormlight and WoT!
NVM... I came up with something!
What? No path for Aragorn before meeting up with the hobbits at the Prancing Pony!?! What is this trash!
What? No path for Aragorn before meeting up with the hobbits at the Prancing Pony!?! What is this trash!
Yes please let's all make a list of who on the show we think is gay, and why black elves and black hobbits should all be sent to the Cracks of Doom.SoulSlaveAG2005 said:
Sorry… nothing better than seeing a ton of updates and thinking "yes the Uber nerds are discussing the finer points of the storyline and providing insight to us casual nerds…" only to find out the thread has derailed once again into a slap fight…
Life is better with a beagle
Having one for Stormlight would be really cool. I'm gonna ask Brandon about that in his next live signing and see if he answers it.
Yes please let's complain about derailing the thread and yet continue to derail the thread because I am special and everyone must know my opinion about their thread derailment.The Porkchop Express said:Yes please let's all make a list of who on the show we think is gay, and why black elves and black hobbits should all be sent to the Cracks of Doom.SoulSlaveAG2005 said:
Sorry… nothing better than seeing a ton of updates and thinking "yes the Uber nerds are discussing the finer points of the storyline and providing insight to us casual nerds…" only to find out the thread has derailed once again into a slap fight…
Exactly!
DallasTeleAg said:Yes please let's complain about derailing the thread and yet continue to derail the thread because I am special and everyone must know my opinion about their thread derailment.The Porkchop Express said:Yes please let's all make a list of who on the show we think is gay, and why black elves and black hobbits should all be sent to the Cracks of Doom.SoulSlaveAG2005 said:
Sorry… nothing better than seeing a ton of updates and thinking "yes the Uber nerds are discussing the finer points of the storyline and providing insight to us casual nerds…" only to find out the thread has derailed once again into a slap fight…
I appreciate that you've finally come around to my way of thinking, and I accept your apology.
Life is better with a beagle
So I still haven't seen that option, but I love this map.
I feel way less bad about my question now
Nvmnd. Already covered
If you really want maps look for The Atlas of Middle Earth by Karen Fonstad. She had maps and other info for all ages. It's really well done.
I sent my Hobbit to your mom's crack of doomThe Porkchop Express said:Yes please let's all make a list of who on the show we think is gay, and why black elves and black hobbits should all be sent to the Cracks of Doom.SoulSlaveAG2005 said:
Sorry… nothing better than seeing a ton of updates and thinking "yes the Uber nerds are discussing the finer points of the storyline and providing insight to us casual nerds…" only to find out the thread has derailed once again into a slap fight…
https://roshar.17thshard.com/#/en-USChipotlemonger said:My bad I just linked the same thing.SoulSlaveAG2005 said:OnlyForNow said:
I'm also thinking that Mordor ends up getting more sealed off from The rest of the continent during this time.
Geographically, the southlands should be the land southwest of Gondor - I think.
I went down a rabbit hole and found this interactive map:
http://lotrproject.com/map/#zoom=3&lat=-1315.5&lon=1500&layers=B
Now I need something like this for Stormlight and WoT!
Every year at the King William Fair during Fiesta, there's this old couple that has this huge booth of the coolest Hawaiian shirts ever.
One of them is a map of middle earth. I want one but every year they don't have my size (2XL). That, and it's $300.
One of them is a map of middle earth. I want one but every year they don't have my size (2XL). That, and it's $300.
Big spoilers there, for anyone who hasn't read the books and wants to.PatAg said:https://roshar.17thshard.com/#/en-USChipotlemonger said:My bad I just linked the same thing.SoulSlaveAG2005 said:OnlyForNow said:
I'm also thinking that Mordor ends up getting more sealed off from The rest of the continent during this time.
Geographically, the southlands should be the land southwest of Gondor - I think.
I went down a rabbit hole and found this interactive map:
http://lotrproject.com/map/#zoom=3&lat=-1315.5&lon=1500&layers=B
Now I need something like this for Stormlight and WoT!
I wouldnt imagine someone who hasnt read the books would have any desire to look at the mapDallasTeleAg said:Big spoilers there, for anyone who hasn't read the books and wants to.PatAg said:https://roshar.17thshard.com/#/en-USChipotlemonger said:My bad I just linked the same thing.SoulSlaveAG2005 said:OnlyForNow said:
I'm also thinking that Mordor ends up getting more sealed off from The rest of the continent during this time.
Geographically, the southlands should be the land southwest of Gondor - I think.
I went down a rabbit hole and found this interactive map:
http://lotrproject.com/map/#zoom=3&lat=-1315.5&lon=1500&layers=B
Now I need something like this for Stormlight and WoT!
Wow thank you!
PatAg said:I wouldnt imagine someone who hasnt read the books would have any desire to look at the mapDallasTeleAg said:Big spoilers there, for anyone who hasn't read the books and wants to.PatAg said:https://roshar.17thshard.com/#/en-USChipotlemonger said:My bad I just linked the same thing.SoulSlaveAG2005 said:OnlyForNow said:
I'm also thinking that Mordor ends up getting more sealed off from The rest of the continent during this time.
Geographically, the southlands should be the land southwest of Gondor - I think.
I went down a rabbit hole and found this interactive map:
http://lotrproject.com/map/#zoom=3&lat=-1315.5&lon=1500&layers=B
Now I need something like this for Stormlight and WoT!
I read Stormlight on kindle. I have to go online for a good map that is easier to use. I could see myself accidentally going to a "spoiler" map like this in the past.
It does have a giant pop-up that warns of the spoilers, so I mean...if someone gets spoiled thats on themChipotlemonger said:PatAg said:I wouldnt imagine someone who hasnt read the books would have any desire to look at the mapDallasTeleAg said:Big spoilers there, for anyone who hasn't read the books and wants to.PatAg said:https://roshar.17thshard.com/#/en-USChipotlemonger said:My bad I just linked the same thing.SoulSlaveAG2005 said:OnlyForNow said:
I'm also thinking that Mordor ends up getting more sealed off from The rest of the continent during this time.
Geographically, the southlands should be the land southwest of Gondor - I think.
I went down a rabbit hole and found this interactive map:
http://lotrproject.com/map/#zoom=3&lat=-1315.5&lon=1500&layers=B
Now I need something like this for Stormlight and WoT!
I read Stormlight on kindle. I have to go online for a good map that is easier to use. I could see myself accidentally going to a "spoiler" map like this in the past.
Good point
So I'm thinking that either Adar or Halbrand are Sauron. Gut tells me Adar but Halbrand being a good metal smith as well as his comments about darkness have me 2nd guessing.
I started watching well after the thread started so apologies if this has already been discussed.
I started watching well after the thread started so apologies if this has already been discussed.
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