***1883 Season 1***

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everyone *****ing about the daughter/voiceover is baffling.

the accent may not be the very best, but not the worst.

the writing is good

the actress is smoking hot

and how anyone could not be intrigued by the intro, compared to the flashback is beyond me. I thought it was one of the most stunning openers to a TV series ever! Awesome!


watching her stand down a Cherokee warrior, pull a pistol and go berserk on the rest through a burning pile of scalped pilgrms, with a ****ing arrow stuck clean through her gut and stark white dress,

only to then flash back to the nave, shy young girl excited to be heading west with no clue what was coming her way....


i can't believe people are complaining about that.
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aggiepaintrain said:

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TCTTS said:

Watched the first episode with my family tonight.

The daughter was insufferable, made worse by her terrible voice over. One of my least favorite TV characters in a while.

Everything else was pretty good, though. Some of the dialogue was a little too modern for my taste, but the story, action, cinematography, and score were all pretty great.

Will definitely continue giving it a shot.


Could not disagree more. Interesting.


The daughter is one of the best characters
We should keep telling TCTTS how wrong he is for his opinion.
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This is why we are friends
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cbr said:

everyone *****ing about the daughter/voiceover is baffling.

the accent may not be the very best, but not the worst.

the writing is good

the actress is smoking hot

and how anyone could not be intrigued by the intro, compared to the flashback is beyond me. I thought it was one of the most stunning openers to a TV series ever! Awesome!


watching her stand down a Cherokee warrior, pull a pistol and go berserk on the rest through a burning pile of scalped pilgrms, with a ****ing arrow stuck clean through her gut and stark white dress,

only to then flash back to the nave, shy young girl excited to be heading west with no clue what was coming her way....


i can't believe people are complaining about that.

Was it Cherokee or Comanche? Those Comanche were some diabolical and savage sumbiches.
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It's "Hollywood" you expect them to get it even remotely correct?
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combat wombat said:

It's "Hollywood" you expect them to get it even remotely correct?
I was mostly just questioning how he would assume they were Cherokee. I just assumed it was Comanche territory and that's what they were meant to be, or that they just left it open to be either. Was wondering if I missed something.

But I agree with your pt.
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Got to think with where they are in their journey (just having left Ft. Worth) and the number of days traveled, they are most likely encountering Comanche. However, if that flashback shows something that is happening at a later date, most likely Arapahoe/Cheyenne/Shoshone.
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pilgrim82 said:

Got to think with where they are in their journey (just having left Ft. Worth) and the number of days traveled, they are most likely encountering Comanche. However, if that flashback shows something that is happening at a later date, most likely Arapahoe/Cheyenne/Shoshone.
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Anyone else getting West World vibes? The voice over narration, the music, the themes. I like it.
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Ogre09 said:

Anyone else getting West World vibes? The voice over narration, the music, the themes. I like it.
Yes, totally agree. I was thinking maybe just because it's a modern western, but there's more to it than that.
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pilgrim82 said:

Got to think with where they are in their journey (just having left Ft. Worth) and the number of days traveled, they are most likely encountering Comanche. However, if that flashback shows something that is happening at a later date, most likely Arapahoe/Cheyenne/Shoshone.


The Comanches were already on the reservation in Oklahoma in 1875, and their raids were pretty much over by then.....the wagon train attack has to be later on the Northern Plains..but, by 1883 most tribes (other than the Apache in Arizona) were pretty much subdued. I'm surprised Sheridan didn't set his story back a few years which would have made more sense for Indian danger to be part of the story....although attacks on wagon trains were EXTREMELY rare. Great show however.....not very historically accurate....but very entertaining and that's what it's for!
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I'm 2 episodes in now.....

Love the daughter actually, great character to loathe/despise and then watch her grow and change as the environment either destroys her or makes her. Voiceover was interesting to me you almost always have a male voiceover for a western.

The trinity...yeah whatever it's a show - it's a river. No big deal.

can't believe nobody here has mentioned the most glaring issue though - and I'm not even bothered that much by it because its a show and I get that Sheridan wanted to launch this journey from FW and show the history a bit with Hells Half Acre.

So...... how exactly did 50 something completely naive unskilled German (and maybe Russian/Czech/Polish) immigrants get all the way to Ft. Worth with all of their belongings, some ox, and a few wagons???? It ain't a port city and it's 300+ miles from around Galveston where they might have entered the US best case. They would not have made that journey either it was no picnic in the 1880s. Presumably they did not take the train that far either.

But ok.... let's just start the show there. I get it.

Anyway..... enjoying it so far.
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How the immigrants got to FW was a question raised at the beginning of the complaints about the show.

I was actually thinking about the rattlesnake to the bum the other day. I've never dealt with a rattlesnake bite. But I know it's not a mamba or anything. But now twice in the last few months Sheridan has treated a rattlesnake like it's a taipan and will drop someone on the spot.
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ChipFTAC01 said:

How the immigrants got to FW was a question raised at the beginning of the complaints about the show.

I was actually thinking about the rattlesnake to the bum the other day. I've never dealt with a rattlesnake bite. But I know it's not a mamba or anything. But now twice in the last few months Sheridan has treated a rattlesnake like it's a taipan and will drop someone on the spot.


The rattlesnake in 1883 didn't drop the person in 30 seconds like it did the dude in Yellowstone. But the implication was it killed the immigrant….which given the setting, is far from unreasonable.
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I raised it on the Yellowstone thread when it debuted, but never saw it mentioned here. No big deal though.

I just started the other 1883 episodes now that I finished Yellowstone. Just thought it was a bigger issue than the Trinity or armpit hair. I was shaking my head to see those complaints here. lol

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Ah, sorry. Knew I'd read it somewhere.
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Zombie Jon Snow said:


So...... how exactly did 50 something completely naive unskilled German (and maybe Russian/Czech/Polish) immigrants get all the way to Ft. Worth with all of their belongings, some ox, and a few wagons????.



I heard Taylor Sheridan is working on a prequel, 1881, to show this journey.
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I'm sure someone has already mentioned this, but the river scenes (Trinity & Red) were likely shot along the Brazos since the trail scenes were mostly shot on Sheridan's ranch between Weatherford and Granbury. The western boundary of the ranch is the Brazos. That section upstream of Lake Granbury is wide in spots, so it makes sense.
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GreasenUSA said:

Zombie Jon Snow said:


So...... how exactly did 50 something completely naive unskilled German (and maybe Russian/Czech/Polish) immigrants get all the way to Ft. Worth with all of their belongings, some ox, and a few wagons????.



I heard Taylor Sheridan is working on a prequel, 1881, to show this journey.
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SWC Ag said:

ChipFTAC01 said:

How the immigrants got to FW was a question raised at the beginning of the complaints about the show.

I was actually thinking about the rattlesnake to the bum the other day. I've never dealt with a rattlesnake bite. But I know it's not a mamba or anything. But now twice in the last few months Sheridan has treated a rattlesnake like it's a taipan and will drop someone on the spot.


The rattlesnake in 1883 didn't drop the person in 30 seconds like it did the dude in Yellowstone. But the implication was it killed the immigrant….which given the setting, is far from unreasonable.


This. No antibiotics or any other medicine and no doctors. Prob been drinking contaminated water like the rest.
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I'm thinking it's highly likely that the Germans took a train to Fort Worth.
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I mean they literally said they could not afford a train. That's why they were hiring them. But perhaps they afforded it that far?
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Zombie Jon Snow said:

I mean they literally said they could not afford a train. That's why they were hiring them. But perhaps they afforded it that far?


Yeah, they couldn't afford the train to OREGON.
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Many Germans took ships directly to Galveston between the late 1830s and the early 1890s.

I was surprised that they had Germans leaving Texas to go to Oregon in 1883. Seems like a different ethnic group would have made better sense
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Welp, TS has all his best writers working this show. Just watched E4 on Paramount +. This is crossing the Brazos

So much death. so much sadness. Faith Hill is especially good in having to let several people die. Sam Elliott having a nightmare of battle. This w by far the biggest body count in an episode so far.

And Isabel May playing the Beethoven while all the dying was going on - that was just fantastic.
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Great episode. I just wish someone would tech Sam Elliot how to say "Brazos". "Brah-zos" makes me cringe everyone I hear it.
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I love this show. Very well written, acted and filmed. Elsa's narration is almost Cormac McCarthy-esque at times imo and used in just the right amount. Been a while since I actually cared about more than a couple characters in a dramatic show or movie, and I'm very interested in just about every one getting air time in this one.

Also, a solid reminder that at some point in the last few hundred years, all of our ancestors have been through **** we can't even begin to imagine.
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SWC Ag said:

Great episode. I just wish someone would tech Sam Elliot how to say "Brazos". "Brah-zos" makes me cringe everyone I hear it.


He said it 20 times like that when he played Sam Houston in Houston: Legend of Texas in 1986.....not as bad as him saying President "Bur-Net"....although it's spelled that way most Texans pronounce it "Bur-Nit".....but he did an admirable job as Houston!
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SWC Ag said:

Great episode. I just wish someone would tech Sam Elliot how to say "Brazos". "Brah-zos" makes me cringe everyone I hear it.

My understanding is the pronunciation of that river has changed over the years. His pronunciation might be period correct.
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wbt5845 said:

SWC Ag said:

Great episode. I just wish someone would tech Sam Elliot how to say "Brazos". "Brah-zos" makes me cringe everyone I hear it.

My understanding is the pronunciation of that river has changed over the years. His pronunciation might be period correct.

I kinda doubt they looked that deep into it. Besides, Elsa pronounced it like the rest of us do at the very end of the episode.
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I bet that's how a lot of cowboy types would have pronounced it back then. I know generational Texans who butcher "Rio Grande" along with the names of other rivers, towns and geographical landmarks.

To me, this show is so good I don't find myself getting hung up on minor inaccuracies or questionable pronunciations. If someone can't enjoy this show because if technicalities or inaccuracies, I am not sure what they could enjoy aside from maybe documentary style or non-fiction movies and books. This show seems to go to great lengths to keep things pretty genuine.

I did find myself wondering if they would have used the phrase "traffic jam" back then though. But I don't really care.
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I actually think "Brah-zoes" is probably closer to the original Spanish name and found an old Texags thread that said the name was "Texicanized" generations ago. An example they used was "Villa Maria" in college station. Rio Grande would be another example of Texicanization (made up a new word) I think. So maybe in the1800's people were still pronouncing it both ways?

Found this interesting on that same thread. Original name was "Rio De Los Brazos De Dios" apparently. Cool story:

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From Handbook of Texas Online, http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/BB/rnb7.html

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The full name of the river, often used in Spanish accounts, is Los Brazos de Dios, "the arms of God." Many legends have grown up explaining the name. Probably the earliest is that Francisco Vzquez de Coronadoqv and his men wandering up the Llano Estacado were about to perish from lack of water when the Indians guided them to a small stream, which the men then named Brazos de Dios. Another account tells of a Spanish ship tossed about by a storm in the Gulf of Mexico that had exhausted its supply of drinking water. The sailors were parched with thirst, lost, and unable to determine which direction they should go to find land, when one of the crew noticed a muddy streak in the waters. The ship followed the streak's current to the mouth of a wide river on a great rise. The ship sailed up the river, and the sailors drank fresh water and were saved. In gratitude they christened the unknown stream Brazos de Dios. Another account fixes the naming of the stream in the 1760s, when an extreme drought made it impossible for the Spanish miners on the San Saba to work. They had heard that the drought was even worse toward the south. They headed toward the Waco Indian village where, according to reports, there was a never-failing stream. Many of the men and beasts died en route, and the precious bullion was buried, but the few who finally reached the stream named it Brazos de Dios. The last story, told to Albert Pikeqv in 1831, accounts for the reversal of the names of the Colorado and the Brazos.
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Excellent episode
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Charpie said:

Excellent episode


Not to pick on him, but curious if TCTTS's opinion on Elsa's character/narration has changed at all (assuming he's continued to watch). To be honest, while I really liked the first episode, I was like "here we go" at first when the story seemed to be being told through her eyes, thinking her character might be super cheesy. But I quickly got over it the more I watched. She's very key to the show at this point imo. A character both male and female viewers can admire and respect and view as a badass. Faith Hill too. I was worried it would be hard to take her and Tim seriously, but they are both great.
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River scene was pretty intense. From the start of the piano to the end with the comedic relief was awesome.

The cowboy in love is one of my favorite characters. Lots of good one liners.
 
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