Rick Dalton said:

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My only concern with the rest of that post is that Tenet is thinks they'll be destroyed immediately, but why would that be the case if the future generation doesn't plan to reverse entropy until many generations later? Sator tells the Protagonist that he believes that he's killing his son when the dead man's switch goes off and that the future generation's descendants will now be able to live. Priya also says earlier that the future is waging war against us. This post assumes there is no immediate threat from the algorithm and throws the grandfather paradox out the window.

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I may be way off, but I'm thinking that in most "time travel" situations, as soon as things are in place for something to happen, it will be instantaneous because the future characters will have received that information/object and put in motion whatever the endgame is. In this case they would put someone or something into inversion and make the threat happen.

My mind is still awhirl since I've only seen it once, so thank you for all the insight!

lazuras_dc said:

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Read this one reddit

" The algorithm isn't something that is "activated". The algorithm is just a piece of information that is needed in the future by the future people to reverse entropy. But, the future scientist that made it send it back to be hidden and the future people use sator to find the pieces, put them in a place that won't be touched for a long time, then leave a piece of information with the location for posterity, so that the future people in the future can read where it is, go dig it up and use it. The kill switch just activates the release of information about the location (for posterity), before this, only sator knows about the location."

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Except that, even if Sator's plan had worked, Tenet still knows where the Algorithm is buried and can dig it up long before the future people can. It won't remain undisturbed. For the plan to have truly worked, Sator would have to make sure there were no surviving witnesses.

G Martin 87 said:

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lazuras_dc said:

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Read this one reddit

" The algorithm isn't something that is "activated". The algorithm is just a piece of information that is needed in the future by the future people to reverse entropy. But, the future scientist that made it send it back to be hidden and the future people use sator to find the pieces, put them in a place that won't be touched for a long time, then leave a piece of information with the location for posterity, so that the future people in the future can read where it is, go dig it up and use it. The kill switch just activates the release of information about the location (for posterity), before this, only sator knows about the location."

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Except that, even if Sator's plan had worked, Tenet still knows where the Algorithm is buried and can dig it up long before the future people can. It won't remain undisturbed. For the plan to have truly worked, Sator would have to make sure there were no surviving witnesses.

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But what you're saying is that Sator is shot. Dumped off the boat banging his head off the lower railing and falling into the water and surviving until tenet casually disassembles the algorithm ??? Hard to buy unless there's a theory out there that kat killing old sator does not trigger the algorithm bc the other sator is still alive in that timeline.

Maybe I'm mis remembering the movie but I feel like the climax was a coinciding moment of Kat killing Sator and Neil dragging JDW and Ives out of the exploding bunker.

This movie really benefits from time spent analyzing and discussing after the fact. Already appreciate it way more than immediately after.

I do look forward to rewatching this.

I felt the car freezing didn't make much sense, to me.

HIM freezing, I can buy. But the car was not inverted. From the regular perspective, the car was just driving backwards, as we saw.

I haven't read the whole thread so I can't comment much. I saw it at an Alamo which has all the fun stuff before the movie, including a Japanese music video called "Sugar Water" that was exactly like the movie in showing time inverted even down to the red/blue motif. Pretty cool.

Also I didn't notice much of the audio issues that y'all did.

My wife didn't like it much because there was no real character development for the Protagonist or really any of the others.

Cibo Matto! I remember that video when I discovered them years ago. Pretty cool for Alamo to use that in their preshow.

No, what I'm saying is that Sator couldn't have buried the Algorithm and ensured that it would remain undisturbed for future generations to dig up and activate unless he did it in complete secrecy. The Tenet organization knew exactly where he was trying to bury it. So either the deadman switch to destroy the world works some other way and we all just misheard the explanation, or this is a giant plot hole. I'd trust Nolan not to make an elementary script mistake like that, so the explanation of the deadman switch may not be complete.

Yea that's a good point. Some same folks raised similar questions on Reddit.

" Couldn't they just wait and dig up the Algorithm after Sator's men have left?
The movie wants you to believe that burying the Algorithm in the dead drop and broadcasting its location would allow the people in the past to retrieve the Algorithm and activate it, retroactively causing the destruction of the past and "The End Of The World" for our protagonists before they have a chance to do anything about it.

A similar situation happens in the final scene. Kat encounters Priya and immediately leaves a message on the Protagonist's phone. The Protagonist will receive this message in the future and invert back to this time to stop Priya. Which is why he's already sitting in the back seat. At this point Priya can't save her life by deciding to somehow intercept the message. It's already too late for her.

But it's also true that the movie is artificially trying to inflate the stakes somewhat. Already in the container on their way to Oslo the Protagonist wonders if the fact that The End Of The World hasn't happened means that their mission will inevitably be successful. Once the Protagonist learns the location of the dead drop, Sator's plan can't realistically succeed anymore."

" Kat shoots Sator before she gets the clear sign but the world doesn't end? Why?
Kat was just a backstop just in case they somehow can't retrieve the Algorithm. By shooting Sator prematurely Kat basically raises the stakes for the Protagonist's team. They now absolutely have to escape the Dead Drop with the Algorithm to prevent The End Of The World."


Makes sense to me
Here I'll just share the link: https://www.reddit.com/r/tenet/comments/immbs8/official_faq_megathread_spoilers/

https://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Tenet-Inside-Christopher-Quantum/dp/1647220602

For those of you asking for a book similar to the interstellar one

lazuras_dc said:

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https://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Tenet-Inside-Christopher-Quantum/dp/1647220602

For those of you asking for a book similar to the interstellar one

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Nice, thanks!

lazuras_dc said:

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G Martin 87 said:

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lazuras_dc said:

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Read this one reddit

" The algorithm isn't something that is "activated". The algorithm is just a piece of information that is needed in the future by the future people to reverse entropy. But, the future scientist that made it send it back to be hidden and the future people use sator to find the pieces, put them in a place that won't be touched for a long time, then leave a piece of information with the location for posterity, so that the future people in the future can read where it is, go dig it up and use it. The kill switch just activates the release of information about the location (for posterity), before this, only sator knows about the location."

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Except that, even if Sator's plan had worked, Tenet still knows where the Algorithm is buried and can dig it up long before the future people can. It won't remain undisturbed. For the plan to have truly worked, Sator would have to make sure there were no surviving witnesses.

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But what you're saying is that Sator is shot. Dumped off the boat banging his head off the lower railing and falling into the water and surviving until tenet casually disassembles the algorithm ??? Hard to buy unless there's a theory out there that kat killing old sator does not trigger the algorithm bc the other sator is still alive in that timeline.

Maybe I'm mis remembering the movie but I feel like the climax was a coinciding moment of Kat killing Sator and Neil dragging JDW and Ives out of the exploding bunker.

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The algorithm is a formula to make something happen, not a thing to be activated. As was stated above, the dead drop thing triggered an email to someone giving the location of it. That is now invalid since they pulled it out, disassembled it, and spread it around again.

Also, as Kat and the agent were driving away in the boat, they were dragging Sator along behind them. Why would that be?

I enjoyed this, not too difficult to follow but it did leave me with a few questions/points to ponder

MooreTrucker said:

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lazuras_dc said:

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G Martin 87 said:

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lazuras_dc said:

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Read this one reddit

" The algorithm isn't something that is "activated". The algorithm is just a piece of information that is needed in the future by the future people to reverse entropy. But, the future scientist that made it send it back to be hidden and the future people use sator to find the pieces, put them in a place that won't be touched for a long time, then leave a piece of information with the location for posterity, so that the future people in the future can read where it is, go dig it up and use it. The kill switch just activates the release of information about the location (for posterity), before this, only sator knows about the location."

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Except that, even if Sator's plan had worked, Tenet still knows where the Algorithm is buried and can dig it up long before the future people can. It won't remain undisturbed. For the plan to have truly worked, Sator would have to make sure there were no surviving witnesses.

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But what you're saying is that Sator is shot. Dumped off the boat banging his head off the lower railing and falling into the water and surviving until tenet casually disassembles the algorithm ??? Hard to buy unless there's a theory out there that kat killing old sator does not trigger the algorithm bc the other sator is still alive in that timeline.

Maybe I'm mis remembering the movie but I feel like the climax was a coinciding moment of Kat killing Sator and Neil dragging JDW and Ives out of the exploding bunker.

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The algorithm is a formula to make something happen, not a thing to be activated. As was stated above, the dead drop thing triggered an email to someone giving the location of it. That is now invalid since they pulled it out, disassembled it, and spread it around again.

Also, as Kat and the agent were driving away in the boat, they were dragging Sator along behind them. Why would that be?

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Then what would call the "thing" they dissembled ?

They drag him away to get rid of the body so there's no evidence present time of the future sator is my impression.

It's the algorithm but it's symbol of an equation or something, not something that "activates".

Any significance to the espresso he orders in Oslo?

Caught a late showing last night. About 8 people in the whole showing at the IMAX in Bryan. Definitely understand the complaints about the audio and need for subtitles, but I caught most of what was going on in the first viewing. This thread is helping clear up the finer points. Personally, I loved it.