Big Al 1992 said:

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Ben - the meltdown in the cab talking to himself was good acting but felt like "this is where we try to get him the best supporting actor nom".

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He doesn't need such charity. He's already got 4 nominations and 2 Emmys on the shelf. He's just really that good.

Wicked Good Ag said:

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It changed names after an issue with casting after the first season i thought

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Valerie got greedy and it changed to "Valerie's family'

He was on that show with his sister and played a Mike seaver nice guy and was really good at it.

That was what made his dodgeball appearance seem shocking and out of left field.

Duncan Idaho said:

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Wicked Good Ag said:

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It changed names after an issue with casting after the first season i thought

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Valerie got greedy and it changed to "Valerie's family'

He was on that show with his sister and played a Mike seaver nice guy and was really good at it.

That was what made his dodgeball appearance seem shocking and out of left field.

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I guess the Mandela Effect is still real then, because I never remember it being called Valerie or Valerie's family, and I watched that show all the time. I remember The Hogan Family.

Looks like we are both right

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hogan_Family

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The Hogan Family (originally titled Valerie and later Valerie's Family) is an American sitcom television series that began airing on NBC on March 1, 1986 and finished its run on CBS on July 20, 1991

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Is Ben really dead though??? Didn't see it happen, never saw the face/body. Major plot twist for season 4?

Gunter12 said:

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Is Ben really dead though??? Didn't see it happen, never saw the face/body. Major plot twist for season 4?

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I definitely think so. The way Wendy broke down, they kept the ashes etc

I just finished the season.

I didn't like the way Marty just ket the lawyer bring them to be murdered and just went along with it without putting up a fight or trying to outsmart her.

It seemed to me that Navarro killing her instead was just luck and not because ge outsmarted her.

I don't know if Ben is dead or not, but, one thing I noticed is how much they focused on the ashes. They showed the body being loaded into the crematorium, being burned, Marty collecting the ashes, Wendy asking about the ashes, and then the scene at the end with Jonah touching the ashes. All of this, but didn't show any violence between Nelson and Ben or the actual body as it was all wrapped up. Definitely something weird going on with it, but, I can't think of a reason why Ben would have been kept alive by Nelson. Maybe he got away and Nelson killed some random person to make up for it? Would seem like a strange plot twist.

aggie-beta said:

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I just finished the season.

I didn't like the way Marty just ket the lawyer bring them to be murdered and just went along with it without putting up a fight or trying to outsmart her.

It seemed to me that Navarro killing her instead was just luck and not because ge outsmarted her.

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I think he knew his only hope was to trust that Wendy and he had won Navarro over. He really had no other play.

I'm sure he imagined he would have to do some explaining and reasoning first, but he got lucky.

Season started strong, then got iffy in the middle, the last episode was nothing short of phenomenal. I've seen some great acting this year on tv but this show has the nest acting of any show in recent memory. The two actors playing Ben and Wendy deserve to win every award, and I don't believe in using the word deserve unless it's earned and they earned it. Incredible all around.

Yeah, after getting kidnapped and tortured, Marty knew it was out of his hands and he had to take his chances with the cards played. Maybe we find out later in some easter egg that he had a suspicion, but he knows now he is always on the clock as far as Navarro goes. If he wants him dead, he likely won't hear it coming.

I just dont see how Navarro could ever kill Marty.

The amount of high level knowledge of the books that he has would be almost impossible for someone else to figure out and do so safely and efficiently without Marty.

Not to mention he is now the name and the face of Navarro's legal money operation.

in real life, no matter how crazy the cartel is, Marty would be close to untouchable from a business standpoint.

I think that is the main reason why Marty didn't go kicking and screaming. The lawyer is a project manager and replaceable, Marty is the doer and you nailed it on value.

I posted something very similar to that a few pages back. Called her a project manager. Applies to my field perfectly. the PM's get booted all the time. its the people who know the nuts and bolts of specific projects who are much harder to get rid of.

Yep, largely uninteresting season.

- Cartel drug storylines are so overdone.
- Boring, generic cartel boss they tried to make important.
- The brother's story was shallow and the actor was pretty terrible.
- Wendy taking a larger role has been pretty much a dud.
- Jason Bateman makes this show and for some reason the creators deviated from what worked in season 1
- Somehow Darlene Snell wasn't the worst part of the show! Wyatt was bad though.

I'd say about 15% of this season was good. This show is best when the threat of not laundering money to the cartel's satisfaction is looming over everyone's heads.

Season 3 felt a lot more like a final season since they brought the lame cartel boss to the forefront. I don't think Ozark has been picked up for another season but I'd be ok if it ended. Maybe the fate of the show is up in the air so the storyline was garbage because of uncertainty.

Funny, me too (being a PM). You are probably right where I got it from. We are expendable, but the crew collecting and really analyzing the data are the key.

Ben is 100% dead. They cut away and didn't show it because it wasn't needed. Nelson walking towards him and the look of realization on Ben's face was enough to get the point across.

It reminded me somewhat of the scene in the Wire when a certain character was walking toward his fate and everyone knew it by the the time the scene faded, roll credits.

And please tell me it's Wendy who does it.

I like how we both came straight to Texags at the same point in the episode to make the exact same post.

Finished the season tonight. Great show!

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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I like how we both came straight to Texags at the same point in the episode to make the exact same post.

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Ha, just saw that. Don't get me wrong - he's a fantastic actor, and it was a great performance. It's because he was so effective that I hated him so much. But man, I am so glad he's gone.

I can agree with that. Ozarks, Narco's Mexico, Zero Zero Zero, and Bosch are the best shows I've seen in the last year.

Finished Season 3 last night. Great season!

I do have a few questions/comments:

1. Why was Wyatt living in Charles Wilkes's house on the lake? (or was that not Wilkes's house?)

2. How exactly did Ben know of his estranged sister's whereabouts- I don't remember that being explained as to why he showed up in the first place. Honestly he turned out to being the most sympathetic character in the season, but he was teed up to being way more sinister, so that was rather interesting.

3. Why did Helen go for the confession and immunity agreement for Marty- was she sincerely trying to get the Byrd family to go away peacefully or was she maliciously trying to get Marty arrested and put away (either of which with the intent of taking over the casino operation?

Rascal said:

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Finished Season 3 last night. Great season!

I do have a few questions/comments:

1. Why was Wyatt living in Charles Wilkes's house on the lake? (or was that not Wilkes's house?)

2. How exactly did Ben know of his estranged sister's whereabouts- I don't remember that being explained as to why he showed up in the first place. Honestly he turned out to being the most sympathetic character in the season, but he was teed up to being way more sinister, so that was rather interesting.

3. Why did Helen go for the confession and immunity agreement for Marty- was she sincerely trying to get the Byrd family to go away peacefully or was she maliciously trying to get Marty arrested and put away (either of which with the intent of taking over the casino operation?

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1) he was breaking into houses and squatting
2) probably not that difficult to find them I would imagine
3) she was setting him up to make it look like he was going to rat on the cartel so he would be killed