Nobody likes it when the TexAgs Entertainment board and the Politics board overlap. So why does Hollywood keep doing it to us?


Politics and art intertwine; that's a given.


But now politics in entertainment (and gaming) is as overwhelming as the smell of piss on a bum.

PaulSimonsGhost said:

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But now politics in entertainment (and gaming) is as overwhelming as the smell of piss on a bum.

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Great line and I may steal it.

Politics and entertainment will always interact with one another. That's reality. To expect otherwise could seriously render any medium toothless, bland, and lacking in creative exploration.

What's strange is that the prevailing political winds blowing in popular art forms today have probably done that anyways. Everyone has the same message. Everyone has the same "morals." Everyone has the same boogie man. But it seems like so many people are trying to convey this one dimensional message while losing sight of the product itself.

I think (forgive me guys) that Social Justice has become a religion no different than buddhism, shintoism, Judaism or Scientology.


That's the only paradigm that (to me) explains this driven nature that ignores taste and profit margins.

I've never believe in the Oscars every since Big Trouble in Little China didn't get any nominations.

TXCityAggie said:

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I don't think I have ever seen a Marvel movie prior to Black Panther. It was definitely one of my top 5 movie experiences this year, so I don't see a problem with it being nominated for best picture. I didn't think there were any particularly "great" movies this year.

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I really agree w this. BP was good, but not great. Visuals were great and deserving.

I really don't get the snowflakes on the right that have issues with this. Are they giving a bit more credence to Black movies than they have in the past. Well. OF COURSE!. LOL.

When you look back at the fact that movies such as Do The Right Thing, M X, Boyz in the Hood, Compton got very little or no oscar nods, that is insane.

Black panther was ok. Perhaps I'm a right wing snowflake (nice coop of the term), but I recognize and enjoy good AA films:

Dead presidents
Boys n the hood
Glory
Roots
Straight outta Compton
Hustle and Flow

I think what most of us dislike is being told something is great when it just isn't. There is nothing memorable about BP.

queso1 said:

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Black panther was ok. Perhaps I'm a right wing snowflake (nice coop of the term), but I recognize and enjoy good AA films:

Dead presidents
Boys n the hood
Glory
Roots
Straight outta Compton
Hustle and Flow

I think what most of us dislike is being told something is great when it just isn't. There is nothing memorable about BP.

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Even without the Oscar nomination, BP is a pretty memorable movie and will hold up and be talked about for a pretty long time. I'm in the good but not great camp. Had it been made a year earlier and nominated against he films of 2017, I'd have called it a travesty. 2018 though? Meh... there were like 20 movies I'd have been ok beig a nomination and BP was one of them... wasn't a great movie year.

BP will for sure be a more memorable and discussed movies in the years to come over Green Book.

Black panther was hot wet garbage.

At least we can all agree into the spider verse definitely deserved the win.

That is the comic book movie with a black hero that should be praised more imo.

PaulSimonsGhost said:

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Nobody likes it when the TexAgs Entertainment board and the Politics board overlap. So why does Hollywood keep doing it to us?


Politics and art intertwine; that's a given.


But now politics in entertainment (and gaming) is as overwhelming as the smell of piss on a bum.

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If you think politics and entertainment recently started intertwining you haven't been paying attention for a really long time.

People only dislike politics in film when it isn't their politics.

Danny Vermin said:

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Will never watch that movie. I'll put up with the character in any Avengers movie but never a stand alone movie.

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I'm kinda sad that three of y'all liked this comment.

tv1113 said:

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At least we can all agree into the spider verse definitely deserved the win.

That is the comic book movie with a black hero that should be praised more imo.

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Very true: that was a good movie

We need to build a wall around the Politics board

Award show dorks crack me up. Really love the claim that in some arbitrary period (this case "the 90s") it used to be "must watch tv" but now that has been ruined.
Newsflash, Hollywood was liberal in the 90s. You just didnt notice or didnt care because you were 10yrs old. But now we spend all day on the internet arguing about all manner of dumb sheet, so EVERYTHING is an opportunity for snowflakes to cry. See the snowflakes on the left upset about "great white savior for the black man" winning best pic or multiple f16 dorks starting 800 threads on the e board about how black panther is some type of hokey affirmative action project.

expresswrittenconsent said:

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Award show dorks crack me up. Really love the claim that in some arbitrary period (this case "the 90s") it used to be "must watch tv" but now that has been ruined.
Newsflash, Hollywood was liberal in the 90s. You just didnt notice or didnt care because you were 10yrs old.

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The contrast to the 1990s was that Best Picture winners were often popular blockbusters that most people had seen, like Forrest Gump, Braveheart or Titanic. Compare those with recent Best Picture winners like Shape of Water, Moonlight or Birdman.

What was the most recent Best Picture winner that could be considered a Blockbuster? The Departed, which came out 13 years ago?

The point was that Hollywood has become so self involved that it's lost touch with the movie going audiences.

Never did I argue that when I was a kid Hollywood wasn't liberal or make it anything about politics (except for Hollywoods reaction to Jada Pinkett Smith's denunciation), but good job tackling that strawman

The Oscars are an industry award night. If you're not in the industry, then none of the awards should really affect you.

Black Panther was a boring cgi fest. We all knew that. But I don't really mind if that's what it took for a "comic book movie" to be considered.

TXCityAggie said:

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I don't think I have ever seen a Marvel movie prior to Black Panther. It was definitely one of my top 5 movie experiences this year, so I don't see a problem with it being nominated for best picture. I didn't think there were any particularly "great" movies this year.

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You went from "not one to watch Marvel movies" to "I haven't seen any Marvel movies but now watched BP."

BP was bottom tier Marvel-verse film in the range of Thr Hulk with Ed Norton.

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I mentioned nominating Infinity War because:
1. It was the best superhero film last year (better than BP)
2. It would be a recognition of cumulative effort (similar to Return of the King or John Wayne in True Grit)

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By what measure? Your opinion? I'm not a superhero/Marvel movie guy. I did see IW....just curious as to why you're so sure it was the best last year?

MaroonStain said:

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TXCityAggie said:

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I don't think I have ever seen a Marvel movie prior to Black Panther. It was definitely one of my top 5 movie experiences this year, so I don't see a problem with it being nominated for best picture. I didn't think there were any particularly "great" movies this year.

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You went from "not one to watch Marvel movies" to "I haven't seen any Marvel movies but now watched BP."

BP was bottom tier Marvel-verse film in the range of Thr Hulk with Ed Norton.

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I thought I was pretty clear. I never saw a Marvel movie prior to Black Panther. I was living in Cambodia and it was the only movie playing in english at that time. I decided to see it because it was getting a lot of hype, and I wanted to go to a movie. I thought it was great. I can't compare it to the others because I haven't seen any.

the Oscars are just an opportunity for Hollywood to pat itself on the back. sometimes the accolades are well-deserved and make perfect sense...sometimes they don't.

in most years, if you lined up my personally favorite films with the "best picture" nominees, there's seldom a close resemblance.

but if i did care enough to be offended, i personally think the fact that MI: Fallout didn't get nominated is the biggest "travesty"

tried watching black panther on netflix. made it about a half hour and turned it off. terrible movie.

LSCSN said:

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tried watching black panther on netflix. made it about a half hour and turned it off. terrible movie.

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Unacceptable opinion. You need to be walled off. Disruption of the echo chamber is not to be tolerated.

black panther is not terrible. that's just edgelord BS.

it's a mid-pack marvel movie. no need to get into hyperbole. it's a less-good "winter soldier".

schmendeler said:

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black panther is not terrible. that's just edgelord BS.

it's a mid-pack marvel movie. no need to get into hyperbole. it's a less-good "winter soldier".

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exactly

edit to say I think some of unnecessary trashing of Black Panther is not just social commentary/politics/etc. I am pretty darn open minded about movies and I was pretty disappointed and I think the primary reason was the hype was so out of control that I was honestly expecting something more than it was. I think a lot of folks finally got around to seeing it and were underwhelmed relative to the hype. IMO.

Pretty much how I felt about TFA.

It was unwatchable. Also known as terrible.

LSCSN said:

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It was unwatchable. Also known as terrible.

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you don't get to be taken seriously when you call a movie with a 97% favorable critics score and 79% audience score on rotten tomatoes and that made $1.35bln worldwide "unwatchable". that's just dumb.

you didn't like it, that's fine. I don't ever need to see it again myself. but come on now.

Bunk Moreland said:

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I mentioned nominating Infinity War because:
1. It was the best superhero film last year (better than BP)
2. It would be a recognition of cumulative effort (similar to Return of the King or John Wayne in True Grit)

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By what measure? Your opinion? I'm not a superhero/Marvel movie guy. I did see IW....just curious as to why you're so sure it was the best last year?

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Black Panther was an origin story where hero and villain have same superpowers. In the superhero genre, this is about as cliche as possible. It's not a bad film, but it's interchangeable with about 10 other films.

Infinity War was a cross over that combined 8 franchises over a decade and the cumulated in the big bad who had been alluded to and built up for several years. Despite all that, it was surprising and fresh. Most the audience (outside comic book geeks) walked out of the films asking "WTF just happened?".

I don't think that IW deserved a best picture nomination. I just think it was more deserving than a middle tier comic book movie.

It was Colin Ferrell Alexander level bad. Don't care what the numbers say.

If it's significance has to be explained to you then you'll probably not understand it anyway.

which is?

LSCSN said:

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It was Colin Ferrell Alexander level bad. Don't care what the numbers say.

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I agree with this poster and I have seen every Marvel movie. For me, the CGI was Hobbit level terrawful and I could feel the green screen in the scenes I watched...which was about 30 minutes more than I could bear. I turned BP off twice.

The bad cgi just made me feel like I was watching a video game instead of a movie. I decided I might have liked it when I was a kid and hungry for any superhero content, but this movie t'was not for me.

GrayMatter said:

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If it's significance has to be explained to you then you'll probably not understand it anyway.

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This is the epitome of group think.

Is this an admission that much of the hype was driven by significance and not necessarily content?

Reality is that many people perfectly well understand the "significance" of the film but are not willing to manufacture a love for it so they can participate in the group think. Glory was a very significant film. In my all time top 10. BP is no Glory.

It's ok for people to admit that at times we are swayed by other factors than pure substance. It's human nature.

schmendeler said:

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LSCSN said:

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It was unwatchable. Also known as terrible.

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you don't get to be taken seriously when you call a movie with a 97% favorable critics score and 79% audience score on rotten tomatoes and that made $1.35bln worldwide "unwatchable". that's just dumb.

you didn't like it, that's fine. I don't ever need to see it again myself. but come on now.

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Yeah, I had this discussion somewhere around here a few weeks back.

If you think pretty much any mainstream film, particularly a Marvel blockbuster, is "unwatchable" you need to watch a lot more movies.

MuckRaker96 said:

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I've never believe in the Oscars every since Big Trouble in Little China didn't get any nominations.

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This is the most legitimate opinion on this thread.