ac04 said:

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since when do average movies deserve nominations for best picture?

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Since the Oscar's ratings are so bad that they need the hype of a cultural phenomenon to try and attract more viewers.
No one actually thinks that Black Panther is a Best Picture nominee.

It was good enough to watch once. That's about it. I got ripped apart on a Facebook thread for saying that. Glad to find some people who actually agree that it was overrated.

Bruce Almighty said:

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I'm surprised so many people think it's bad. The worst movie in the MCU isn't bad, and Black Panther is far from the worse. I just have a hard time believing anyone actually thinks this is worse than Hulk or Thor 2.

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If they are like me, they aren't into superhero movies in the first place. So all superhero movies move down a few notches when compared to other movies. People who love superhero movies move them all up a notch.

I personally think that he only good superhero movies are Nolan's Batman movies. That doesn't mean all the MCU movies are bad, I think they are mediocre. I used to love the Christopher Reeve Supermans as a kid but now I recognize they are horrible. MCU movies are way better than those.

Of the eight movies up for best picture I wouldn't have put BP on the list IMO but I thought it was better than most people on this thread think. Not anywhere near top level comic book movie from the past or likely future.
The problem I have is it took along with Vice two spots in the best picture category that should have gone to Eighth Grade and Quiet Place (I haven't seen Roma or the Favorite to make an opinion on those)

MookieBlaylock said:

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Bruce Almighty said:

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I'm surprised so many people think it's bad. The worst movie in the MCU isn't bad, and Black Panther is far from the worse. I just have a hard time believing anyone actually thinks this is worse than Hulk or Thor 2.

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And which of those films was nominated for best picture?

This has crash and Chicago level bad when it wins

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This is the rub. I didn't hate it. I just thought it was average.

It's just intellectually insulting and blatantly obvious why it got 97% on RT (which put the nail in the coffin for that site for me) and why it got nominated for GG and Oscars as Best Picture. I'm sure this isn't the first time I've felt this way and it sure as hell won't be the last. Will probably become the norm, frankly.

How can Black Panther get nominated and not Infinity War, I don't think super hero movies should be getting nominated at all, but Infinity War was a way better movie than Black Panther

HoustonAg2106 said:

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How can Black Panther get nominated and not Infinity War, I don't think super hero movies should be getting nominated at all, but Infinity War was a way better movie than Black Panther

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Someone on one of these threads mentioned that Black Panther works just fine as a stand alone movie, Infinity War you need to have seen at least some of what came before. I guess that's no different than Return of the King, but weren't all three of those movies nominated?

dave94 said:

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HoustonAg2106 said:

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How can Black Panther get nominated and not Infinity War, I don't think super hero movies should be getting nominated at all, but Infinity War was a way better movie than Black Panther

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Someone on one of these threads mentioned that Black Panther works just fine as a stand alone movie, Infinity War you need to have seen at least some of what came before. I guess that's no different than Return of the King, but weren't all three of those movies nominated?

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I don't think being a stand alone movie is a requirement to be nominated for an Oscar

True, but I mean from the perspective of an Academy voter watching a potential nominee. Do you think those people would have any idea what's going on in Infinity War if they watched it? Or appreciate just how great of an accomplishment it is?

I agree that IW is much better than BP, but we're certainly viewing it from a different perspective.

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GiveEmHellBill said:

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No one actually thinks that Black Panther is a Best Picture nominee.

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ok, tell that to the posters who started doing kegel exercises when i pointed this out.

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Yeah, not what you said, nor has anyone on this thread been campaigning for the film.

I personally really enjoyed BP and some didn't, to each their own. But stating that it was so bad you couldn't even finish it is just dumb.

The people I have 'met', ie on this board, that didn't like Black Panther fall into 2 categories. They either just don't really like super hero movies in general, or they didn't like it because of how the movie was propped up by the public/media.

To me, it's an enjoyable movie but I don't think I even have it in my top 10 for Marvel. I'm sure some people don't like it for racist reasons, but I think most people don't like a movie being pumped up for racial reasons either. What was wrong with saying it was a good movie and great to see someone of your color represented in that role?

dave94 said:

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True, but I mean from the perspective of an Academy voter watching a potential nominee. Do you think those people would have any idea what's going on in Infinity War if they watched it? Or appreciate just how great of an accomplishment it is?

I agree that IW is much better than BP, but we're certainly viewing it from a different perspective.

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I doubt the Academy voters are that clueless as to what is going on with super hero movies in this country, we all know why they decided to make BP the first super hero movie nominated for best picture and it isn't because it was one of the 10 best movies last year...

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The people I have 'met', ie on this board, that didn't like Black Panther fall into 2 categories. They either just don't really like super hero movies in general, or they didn't like it because of how the movie was propped up by the public/media.

To me, it's an enjoyable movie but I don't think I even have it in my top 10 for Marvel. I'm sure some people don't like it for racist reasons, but I think most people don't like a movie being pumped up for racial reasons either. What was wrong with saying it was a good movie and great to see someone of your color represented in that role?

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Great post!

I've said many times that I get really sick of people whining about this group or that group being underrepresented. Put you money where you mouth is. And they did. Good. And I think it's great that AA young people have a character they can relate more to. And it was a brilliant move by Marvel/Disney.

I just thought it was thoroughly meh. Same thing I thought about Thor, Thor 2, Hulk, and Dr Strange. All films packed with Whitey McWhitersons.

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the entire point of my post was that i watched the movie because of the oscar nomination. i was expecting something that was special in some way. what i got was a bland/predictable/slow plot, an uninteresting villain with basically no character development, and very poor acting (not to mention those accents, lol).

i understand why it was hyped and that's fine. what i don't understand is why you'd be defensive enough about this lukewarm pile of **** to call a stranger dumb for their opinion. i'd hate to see how you'd react if someone disliked a product that actually meant anything to you.


stranger: i read that the honda civic was nominated for car of the year, so i test drove one. it turns out it sucks. i took it back to the dealership right away.

you: how DARE you sir! the civic is an average honda!!!

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You're apparently far more critical than others of it for some reason and that's fine, but it's actually in the upper tier of Marvel for me due to several reasons. The art direction and tech developed for a world we didn't know anything about to this point was incredible, I thought the performances were fine and enjoyed the story and action even if some of it was a bit predictable. The casino scene alone is worth the price of admission.

But I didn't call you dumb, I said that saying the film is unwatchable is dumb. You didn't like it and that's fine, but writing it off as this awful thing that you couldn't even finish is silly over the top hyperbole. It not being your cup of tea and it being the worst thing ever are two very different things.

There are some genuinely terrible films made every year. This is not one of them.

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What was wrong with saying it was a good movie and great to see someone of your color represented in that role?

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I haven't seen the movie (I have seen IW), but I don't think that is necessary to provide my answer to this question.

To me, a statement like this, made honestly and alone is not wrong or objectionable. What I object to are people who make such as statements, among others, to continuously stoke racial flames. They go out of their way to make it a "us" vs "them" for no good reason, and they are making it all worse.

Guys like Will Smith, Denzel Washington, Samuel Jackson, Morgan Freeman, etc. have sold gazillions of movie tickets for decades. We all went to their movies and didn't notice or care what color they were. For people who want racial harmony, that is how it should be. Now, all the sudden, some declare that we are "finally" getting a black man representing the hero role? Not to mention the implied (and sometimes explicitly stated) reason that much of the movie going public have been too racist to embrace black leads? WTF?

I, like many others, don't appreciate being called (or implied) racists merely for minding our own business and living our lives.

There's never been a blockbuster film on the scale of BP with a cast of people of color, and that's understandably a really big deal to a lot of people. Representation does matter.

I haven't seen much directly implying others are racist, but it's silly to act like there's been equal representation in film across time. If a film isn't for you then it isn't for you, but people that are genuinely bothered by this need to step back and look at the bigger picture IMO.

For 13% of the population, they certainly get more representation than their proportion to the population.

Any group of 4 MUST have a black actor.

This is Heimdall, a character of Norse mythology



This is affirmative action

ac04 said:

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i guess we'll have to agree to disagree because this movie sucked out loud.

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I'm assuming you just don't like super hero movies and probably should just avoid them in the future...

The Debt said:

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For 13% of the population, they certainly get more representation than their proportion to the population.

Any group of 4 MUST have a black actor.

This is Heimdall, a character of Norse mythology



This is affirmative action

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Idris Elba can play any role in my book.

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There's never been a blockbuster film on the scale of BP with a cast of people of color, and that's understandably a really big deal to a lot of people. Representation does matter.

I haven't seen much directly implying others are racist, but it's silly to act like there's been equal representation in film across time. If a film isn't for you then it isn't for you, but people that are genuinely bothered by this need to step back and look at the bigger picture IMO.

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Seems to be that this fact (maybe) is the justification point for why everyone is supposed to love this movie. "It's never been done before" just doesn't resonate with me.

You could probably say the same thing about Coming to America. Which was probably my favorite comedy as a teen. Me and my illy white friends saw it at twice in the theatre. We quoted it for years. Not because it had never been done before, but because we absolutely loved it.

Yeah the dude is great.

Lethal Weapon re-boot.

Riggs: Tom Hardy
Murtaugh: Idris Elba

So you dismiss the point because you like the actor. Excellent TAing.

This is the Valkerie Brynhildr



This is again Hollywood putting in "an ethnic"

She hot

I think there's a difference in casting an actual Norse historical figure a black person and a mythological character that doesn't live on Earth. Casting Leif Erickson as a black man is stupid. Casting a pretend comic book character that lives on a fictional planet as a black man doesn't bother me.

Man. White people get triggered damn easy.

CapCityAg89 said:

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Man. White people get triggered damn easy.

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Everyone gets triggered easy these days...

CapCityAg89 said:

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Man. White people get triggered damn easy.

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Blacks: there isnt enough representation in film
<Hollywood over represents blacks>
Objective person: hey, theres a lot more blacks in these films than the population.
Blacks: still not enough, needs more, and quit being a hater.

Bruce Almighty said:

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I think there's a difference in casting an actual Norse historical figure a black person and a mythological character that doesn't live on Earth. Casting Leif Erickson as a black man is stupid. Casting a pretend comic book character that lives on a fictional planet as a black man doesn't bother me.

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Tell that to the black Americans that pissed and moaned about the white cast in Gods of Eygpt, or not enough black characters in GOTs. Hell GRRM got criticized for the race of extras in the show.

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There's never been a blockbuster film on the scale of BP with a cast of people of color, and that's understandably a really big deal to a lot of people. Representation does matter.

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Notice that representation matters a whole lot more to people who want to stoke racial tensions than those who do not? People who aren't fixated on race and really see us all as one human race don't care. I don't care that whites are underrepresented in the NFL and NBA, since the best players play. Whining about racial representation in movies is as idiotic as whining that there are not enough left handed soccer players.

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I haven't seen much directly implying others are racist, but it's silly to act like there's been equal representation in film across time. If a film isn't for you then it isn't for you, but people that are genuinely bothered by this need to step back and look at the bigger picture IMO.

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Again, I'm not bothered that the movie exists, did well at the box office, has a black cast, etc. I'm bothered by the notion that RACISM is the reason it hasn't happened prior to now. I'm bothered that I was called a sexist because I mocked that latest Ghostbusters movie. I'm bothered that I was called a racist because I disagreed with Obama's policies (nevermind I disagreed with both Clinton and Bush too).

Rottentomatoes score of 97% is one of the most absurd things about Black Panther. at least the audience score is coming down in to a real rating of 79%.


it was a good movie. i'm not sure i would even rate it a great movie. there were certain terrible cgi sequences that really distracted from the movie as a whole to the point that it felt like they ran out of money at times.

I was saying I don't get why they can't just be happy with the movie being goo and being a huge box office hit. We don't need to pretend it's some amazing feat, or any more Oscar worthy than other Marvel movies.

I think being upset at a high Rotten Tomato score is a little silly. A high score just means a higher percentage of the movie being good/enjoyable, which is what it sounds like most of this board agrees with. Most here would say good, not great. That's still a thumbs up.