I think a lot of the hyper positive reviews received might have involved a little bit of virtue signaling. Some of the reviews were just over the top.

I can think of another movie that came out within the last few years that might have been even more over hyped... but you'd run the risk of being called racist

Did it both lose and win the Oscar for Best Picture? Because I have no desire to see that one.

I thought Black Panther was great.

For me it was 3 out of 5 mehs

I liked it.

I'll agree with OP. It's a "fine" movie, but it's just another forgettable, popcorn superhero movie to me.

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I thought Black Panther was great.

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Agreed

I think it was planned and produced as nothing more than a secondary Marvel character movie. Somewhere below Thor in importance but above Dr. Strange or Ant-man. Definitely not a primary film like Avengers. Then a funny thing happened and a certain person got elected and threw some folks into a tizzy. The film latched onto the manufactured zeitgeist and somehow became a defining cultural statement. I thought it was average and I probably disliked it more because of the undeserved love it received.

Confession time.

My kids saw it in the theater and gave it a so-so review. Kids are always honest about stuff like that. Wife and I wanted to see it so she picked it up at Redbox. We got about halfway through and one of the kids was asleep on the couch. So we decided to finish it the next day and not one of us said a word about it and it was returned. I've tried to watch it on Netflix but I just can't stay interested.

It has absolutely nothing to do with anything other than I just found it boring. That said, I liked the character well enough in Civil War and Infinity War.

I enjoyed it but couldn't get over the ridiculousness of this super advanced civilization that still determines their leader by combat. that also apparently can be challenged at any time? how would they get anything done with every dumbass that claims to have some relation to the throne can initiate one of those stupid contests? just dumb.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

And isn't it also a weird coincidence that all the aliens in the galaxy happen to speak English?

It's a top tier comic book movie.

Beyond that, take the stupid political arguments to the board intended for that.

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It's a top tier comic book movie.

Beyond that, take the stupid political arguments to the board intended for that.

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The popularity of the movie was based pretty much on politics. You can't separate that.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_of_disbelief

And isn't it also a weird coincidence that all the aliens in the galaxy happen to speak English?

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I'm not disputing the magic or super powers of that world as being unbelievable. I have a problem with the basic functioning of human society being completely ignored. i'll go along with the unbelievable if you give me a compelling reason. that was just dumb.

Of course I'm just messing with you, but in all seriousness here are my thoughts on what you're talking about:

When you're looking at Marvel canon, it's a commentary on what human beings are capable of doing with powerful technology or scientific advancement. When you look at the era when most of these heroes originated in the early 1960s it makes sense that pop culture would find a way to look at this philosophical question... nuclear weapons testing was going on and humans were traveling into outer space and trying to visit the freaking moon.

Black Panther and Wakanda is sort of this idealism that embraces both technological and scientific advancement while also refusing to abandon tradition and culture. There is beauty in this highly advanced society not letting science and technology totally crowd out their culture. Honoring their predecessors and understanding the importance of maintaining their heritage and identity as a society enables them to use their technology more wisely and be good stewards of the resources at their disposal (and the wealth and technological advancement that comes with it).

So what you see as a ridiculous plot hole is what I think is actually the most important statement of the entire movie. Rather than choosing a winner between the old way and the new, Wakanda finds a way to have both. I think this is a powerful metaphor for what we see today in the Information Age and makes one really consider the societal impact of technological advancement on our culture.

Full disclosure, this is a hot take that I just made up as I was writing it and is almost entirely bullsht. My actual reaction when I saw it was "hmmm that was fun" and I don't put a lot of deeper thought into these films.

Killmonger won fair and square.

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Of course I'm just messing with you, but in all seriousness here are my thoughts on what you're talking about:

When you're looking at Marvel canon, it's a commentary on what human beings are capable of doing with powerful technology or scientific advancement. When you look at the era when most of these heroes originated in the early 1960s it makes sense that pop culture would find a way to look at this philosophical question... nuclear weapons testing was going on and humans were traveling into outer space and trying to visit the freaking moon.

Black Panther and Wakanda is sort of this idealism that embraces both technological and scientific advancement while also refusing to abandon tradition and culture. There is beauty in this highly advanced society not letting science and technology totally crowd out their culture. Honoring their predecessors and understanding the importance of maintaining their heritage and identity as a society enables them to use their technology more wisely and be good stewards of the resources at their disposal (and the wealth and technological advancement that comes with it).

So what you see as a ridiculous plot hole is what I think is actually the most important statement of the entire movie. Rather than choosing a winner between the old way and the new, Wakanda finds a way to have both. I think this is a powerful metaphor for what we see today in the Information Age and makes one really consider the societal impact of technological advancement on our culture.

Full disclosure, this is a hot take that I just made up as I was writing it and is almost entirely bullsht. My actual reaction when I saw it was "hmmm that was fun" and I don't put a lot of deeper thought into these films.

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I probably would have just let it go if Michael b Jordan had showed up at the same time the original election by combat took place.

but to have some random dude show up and say he wants a turn after their own process of selection had taken place and been completed and they just say "OK, sure" was dumb as hell to me.

that's what really turned me off.

It was fine for a super hero movie, but that is a pretty low bar.

[We are going to clean up the trolling on this board and you are on a break. -Staff]

I really enjoyed it. I also think the media was too try-hard with it and ended up over-hyping it. I also think Blade got the shaft in that discussion.

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I really enjoyed it. I also think the media was too try-hard with it and ended up over-hyping it. I also think Blade got the shaft in that discussion.

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Blade was head and shoulders above black panter

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Killmonger won fair and square.

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And I felt he had a legitimate cause to conquer the world.

Actually not the one I was talking about but that fits as well

I thought the CGI fight scenes were terrible. I also wish they showed the effect of Killmonger as King to the people of Wakanda. It's been a while since I saw the movie but I believe it takes place a week after civil war. They had 3 different Kings in like 2 weeks and Killmonger was only King for a few days. I wish they showed him speaking to all the normal people of Wakanda. It seemed like he had no effect on the local people other than the royal family. I wanted him to be King a little longer and try to impose martial law or something instead of just trying to destroy the outside world.

I only saw it once so I may have forgotten some details but I do remember the failing in the air fight and battle rhinos were cheesey. I also didn't like how Killmonger was just a bad guy Black Panther but I guess that's more of a marvel problem with having villains just like the heros.

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Best acting and directing a super hero movie has seen.

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Have you seen many superhero movies? Legit question.

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amercer said:

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It's a top tier comic book movie.

Beyond that, take the stupid political arguments to the board intended for that.

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The popularity of the movie was based pretty much on politics. You can't separate that.

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Marketing something to a new group of consumers and being wildly successful isn't politics, it's great business.

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I thought the CGI fight scenes were terrible. I also wish they showed the effect of Killmonger as King to the people of Wakanda. It's been a while since I saw the movie but I believe it takes place a week after civil war. They had 3 different Kings in like 2 weeks and Killmonger was only King for a few days. I wish they showed him speaking to all the normal people of Wakanda. It seemed like he had no effect on the local people other than the royal family. I wanted him to be King a little longer and try to impose martial law or something instead of just trying to destroy the outside world.

I only saw it once so I may have forgotten some details but I do remember the failing in the air fight and battle rhinos were cheesey. I also didn't like how Killmonger was just a bad guy Black Panther but I guess that's more of a marvel problem with having villains just like the heros.

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This was my issue with the movie. They should have shown more scenes with Killmonger in power.
It was essentially Killmonger wins the Crown (Fair and Square I might add) and then it seems like two scenes later he is being over thrown by TcHalla, and the tribe from the Mountains.

I thought the first 75% of the movie was excellent. I did not like the last 30 minutes of the movie as much as I did the first hour.

If the Dark Knight was graded at a 100, and the Batman movie that came out in 1989 a 95.....I would rank Black Panther about a 91. I would give it an A minus.
Overall I thought it was a very good movie....but not great.

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amercer said:

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It's a top tier comic book movie.

Beyond that, take the stupid political arguments to the board intended for that.

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The popularity of the movie was based pretty much on politics. You can't separate that.

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I made my original post before I realized this thread had been atmag'ed. not worth continuing

Is there a way we can all agree to just NOT respond to anything he posts?

I liked this movie just fine, but it was really overrated.

I think Killmonger was more overrated than the movie itself, though. Sure, he's better than most MCU villains, but he was being compared to Ledger and came nowhere close.

As a previous poster mentioned, I liked him more in Civil War and Infinity War than his own movie.

I get the cultural "importance" of this movie completely, and I'm glad that another demographic has a sense of ownership within the genre. Doesn't change that it's overrated.

It's the only marvel movie I've ever fell asleep while watching the first time with my kids. It sucked.

Guys, it was just a fun fantasy film. So much fantasy that it led people to believe there is an actual African tribe that is more educated, powerful, and technologically advanced than anyone else in the world.

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Guys, it was just a fun fantasy film. So much fantasy that it led people to believe there is an actual African tribe that is more educated, powerful, and technologically advanced than anyone else in the world.

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What are you talking about?
Stop trying to derail this thread. This thread is for discussing terrible posters. If you want to post about some movie go start another thread

The movie Black Panther, which is this thread