It's like I've clicked on page 400 of the Star Wars main thread.
Glutton for punishment I guessBuck Compton said:
If it makes you this miserable, just don't go see it.
I would give them leeway if this was an original movie (like A New Hope was).veryfuller said:
This critique of the new trilogy bothers me. The OT didn't have a lot of explanation or context either. In fact...the prequel trilogy EXPLAINS a lot that the OT doesn't (which is one of the things that bothers me about the PT, it over-explains IMO). If you are just watching Star Wars for the first time, you don't know who the Emperor is, or anything about the Empirial Senate, or what Jedi Knights were (other than the guardians of the old republic), etc. etc.
And ESB and ROTJ don't really expound much on those haha. Yoda provides some back story, then the Emperor gives some context, but the main storylines are left vague, and that is because its boring to watch things get over-explained. I just think they are leaving things vague on purpose, so they can maybe revisit some of these events or time periods and have some storytelling leeway....not get too locked into things.
MuckRaker96 said:
How much less could you care?
TCTTS said:
Abrams has said that when he read Johnson's script it wasn't the direction he would have taken the story, but that it *also* didn't undo any of his broader plans/thoughts for the story. In other words, Abrams didn't have to completely "retool" when brought back in. Sure, he had to adjust to what Johnson did, and in the grand scheme of things the events of TLJ probably aren't all that significant considering Abrams still had the option to take the story where he wanted to take it, but he's not doing some big reset or anything like that. In all honestly, as I've said before, I'm actually glad Johnson wrapped up some of the threads he did in the way he did because now, yes, TROS can stand on it's own a bit more and wrap up all nine movies instead of just the sequel trilogy. But I see that as a positive not a negative.
TLJ also made ridiculous amounts of money and was met with nearly unanimous praise from critics. Yes, the hardcore fans seem to hate it for the most part, but the "course correction," if you want to call it that, was due in larger part to Solo's box office failure six months later. That's when Kennedy, Lucasfilm, and Disney took a step back to re-analyze their plans. You can call it a one-two punch, but if Solo hadn't failed, I don't think plans would have shifted as much as they did in terms of the ancillary movies going forward.
Overall, we all agree that there needed to be more of a plan in place for the sequel trilogy, that the two sequel movies so far could have been better, and that Kennedy could have done a much better job of steering the ship. I think the difference in our outlooks is that as we get closer to the release of TROS, knowing this is the last go-around for quite some time, many of us are choosing to latch onto whatever hope and optimism we can the more we see from the TROS trailers/commercials. At this point, so late in the game, we've all b*tched and moaned about the past efforts to death, so much so that there's really nothing else left to say, and we're instead just trying to make these last few weeks as positive as possible, whether we ultimately regret it or not. That's how I feel, at least, and the vibe I've getting here in general.
TCTTS said:
No one will ever be able convince me that the Finn/Rose and Holdo/Poe plot lines are good, but I do admit that the spine of the movie - the Rey/Luke stuff - grows on me more and more. That, and as I've said before, I think the final act - from Rey arriving to confront Snoke, all the way to the end - is remarkable. Basically, I've gone from "It's a bad movie with good parts" to "It's a good movie with bad parts."
C@LAg said:
Episode 9 Title Crawl
Only click if you want to see it....
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Whoa! Can't wait!C@LAg said:
Episode 9 Title Crawl
Only click if you want to see it....
https://imgur.com/KGpnvLF
In this format to prevent spoilers.
amercer said:
If you've spent the last 2 years telling yourself that TLJ was the worst piece of filmmaking since battlefield earth, then you are never going to change your mind and you should probably consider ignoring Star Wars in general moving forward.
There's lots of things in life I don't enjoy. So unless I've got to do them (or I'm getting paid to) I ignore them. For instance, I've never watched a hallmark Christmas movie, and I certainly wouldn't and then spend the next few years of my life *****ing about it on the internet.
TLJ got good reviews, had a huge box office, and huge DVD sales afterwards. The majority of the movie going public thought it was a good movie. If you didn't like it, that's fine, but you need to accept that most people don't share your high level of negative passion on this issue.
DannyDuberstein said:
Nah, just TLJ. And Rocky V