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This critique of the new trilogy bothers me. The OT didn't have a lot of explanation or context either. In fact...the prequel trilogy EXPLAINS a lot that the OT doesn't (which is one of the things that bothers me about the PT, it over-explains IMO). If you are just watching Star Wars for the first time, you don't know who the Emperor is, or anything about the Empirial Senate, or what Jedi Knights were (other than the guardians of the old republic), etc. etc.
And ESB and ROTJ don't really expound much on those haha. Yoda provides some back story, then the Emperor gives some context, but the main storylines are left vague, and that is because its boring to watch things get over-explained. I just think they are leaving things vague on purpose, so they can maybe revisit some of these events or time periods and have some storytelling leeway....not get too locked into things.
And ESB and ROTJ don't really expound much on those haha. Yoda provides some back story, then the Emperor gives some context, but the main storylines are left vague, and that is because its boring to watch things get over-explained. I just think they are leaving things vague on purpose, so they can maybe revisit some of these events or time periods and have some storytelling leeway....not get too locked into things.
I would give them leeway if this was an original movie (like A New Hope was).veryfuller said:
This critique of the new trilogy bothers me. The OT didn't have a lot of explanation or context either. In fact...the prequel trilogy EXPLAINS a lot that the OT doesn't (which is one of the things that bothers me about the PT, it over-explains IMO). If you are just watching Star Wars for the first time, you don't know who the Emperor is, or anything about the Empirial Senate, or what Jedi Knights were (other than the guardians of the old republic), etc. etc.
And ESB and ROTJ don't really expound much on those haha. Yoda provides some back story, then the Emperor gives some context, but the main storylines are left vague, and that is because its boring to watch things get over-explained. I just think they are leaving things vague on purpose, so they can maybe revisit some of these events or time periods and have some storytelling leeway....not get too locked into things.
Except, the new trilogy is a sequel to the original trilogy. And the original trilogy ended with everyone celebrating, the Empire defeated, the Emperor dead, and the recreation of the Republic.
Then we pick up in the Force Awakens with the First Order having all this power, Leia and the others working with the "Resistance" (which is separate from the Republic), Luke gone, Han and Leia broken up, etc. A lot of significant changes and only a few of them referenced at all.
Disney obviously realized their error so they have been pumping out books non stop. About how the Emperor had a contingency plan to destroy the Empire in the event of his death and send his most loyal followers to the "Unknown Regions" and they became the First Order. That Leia's true parentage was discovered and ruined her political career and the Resistance was formed because of the Republic's refusal to recognize the First Order as a threat.
^This makes sense. But if you just watched the movies you would have no idea.
You would just be liked "oh I guess Return of the Jedi did nothing. 30 years later and they are fighting the Empire again for some reason."
Abrams has said that when he read Johnson's script it wasn't the direction he would have taken the story, but that it *also* didn't undo any of his broader plans/thoughts for the story. In other words, Abrams didn't have to completely "retool" when brought back in. Sure, he had to adjust to what Johnson did, and in the grand scheme of things the events of TLJ probably aren't all that significant considering Abrams still had the option to take the story where he wanted to take it, but he's not doing some big reset or anything like that. In all honestly, as I've said before, I'm actually glad Johnson wrapped up some of the threads he did in the way he did because now, yes, TROS can stand on it's own a bit more and wrap up all nine movies instead of just the sequel trilogy. But I see that as a positive not a negative.
TLJ also made ridiculous amounts of money and was met with nearly unanimous praise from critics. Yes, the hardcore fans seem to hate it for the most part, but the "course correction," if you want to call it that, was due in larger part to Solo's box office failure six months later. That's when Kennedy, Lucasfilm, and Disney took a step back to re-analyze their plans. You can call it a one-two punch, but if Solo hadn't failed, I don't think plans would have shifted as much as they did in terms of the ancillary movies going forward.
Overall, we all agree that there needed to be more of a plan in place for the sequel trilogy, that the two sequel movies so far could have been better, and that Kennedy could have done a much better job of steering the ship. I think the difference in our outlooks is that as we get closer to the release of TROS, knowing this is the last go-around for quite some time, many of us are choosing to latch onto whatever hope and optimism we can the more we see from the TROS trailers/commercials. At this point, so late in the game, we've all b*tched and moaned about the past efforts to death, so much so that there's really nothing else left to say, and we're instead just trying to make these last few weeks as positive as possible, whether we ultimately regret it or not. That's how I feel, at least, and the vibe I've getting here in general.
TLJ also made ridiculous amounts of money and was met with nearly unanimous praise from critics. Yes, the hardcore fans seem to hate it for the most part, but the "course correction," if you want to call it that, was due in larger part to Solo's box office failure six months later. That's when Kennedy, Lucasfilm, and Disney took a step back to re-analyze their plans. You can call it a one-two punch, but if Solo hadn't failed, I don't think plans would have shifted as much as they did in terms of the ancillary movies going forward.
Overall, we all agree that there needed to be more of a plan in place for the sequel trilogy, that the two sequel movies so far could have been better, and that Kennedy could have done a much better job of steering the ship. I think the difference in our outlooks is that as we get closer to the release of TROS, knowing this is the last go-around for quite some time, many of us are choosing to latch onto whatever hope and optimism we can the more we see from the TROS trailers/commercials. At this point, so late in the game, we've all b*tched and moaned about the past efforts to death, so much so that there's really nothing else left to say, and we're instead just trying to make these last few weeks as positive as possible, whether we ultimately regret it or not. That's how I feel, at least, and the vibe I've getting here in general.
MuckRaker96 said:
How much less could you care?
Imagine how much effort Lucas put into building the romance between Anakin and Padme, and then cut that in half.
TCTTS said:
Abrams has said that when he read Johnson's script it wasn't the direction he would have taken the story, but that it *also* didn't undo any of his broader plans/thoughts for the story. In other words, Abrams didn't have to completely "retool" when brought back in. Sure, he had to adjust to what Johnson did, and in the grand scheme of things the events of TLJ probably aren't all that significant considering Abrams still had the option to take the story where he wanted to take it, but he's not doing some big reset or anything like that. In all honestly, as I've said before, I'm actually glad Johnson wrapped up some of the threads he did in the way he did because now, yes, TROS can stand on it's own a bit more and wrap up all nine movies instead of just the sequel trilogy. But I see that as a positive not a negative.
TLJ also made ridiculous amounts of money and was met with nearly unanimous praise from critics. Yes, the hardcore fans seem to hate it for the most part, but the "course correction," if you want to call it that, was due in larger part to Solo's box office failure six months later. That's when Kennedy, Lucasfilm, and Disney took a step back to re-analyze their plans. You can call it a one-two punch, but if Solo hadn't failed, I don't think plans would have shifted as much as they did in terms of the ancillary movies going forward.
Overall, we all agree that there needed to be more of a plan in place for the sequel trilogy, that the two sequel movies so far could have been better, and that Kennedy could have done a much better job of steering the ship. I think the difference in our outlooks is that as we get closer to the release of TROS, knowing this is the last go-around for quite some time, many of us are choosing to latch onto whatever hope and optimism we can the more we see from the TROS trailers/commercials. At this point, so late in the game, we've all b*tched and moaned about the past efforts to death, so much so that there's really nothing else left to say, and we're instead just trying to make these last few weeks as positive as possible, whether we ultimately regret it or not. That's how I feel, at least, and the vibe I've getting here in general.
Fair enough and I'll leave the sunshine pumpers to it. But I will say that Solo wasn't that bad. I actually enjoyed it. I think a lot of it's poor box office performance had more to do with the bitter aftertaste of TLJ with most fans.
TLJ made a good bit of money but made 32% of its money opening weekend. It had terrible legs for a December movie (worst for any Star Wars movie other than Solo). Once word of mouth got out, it's box office results slowed considerably.
In agreement on all accounts. We actually seem to be on the same page on a lot of points.
I think what I'm trying to say is this... between this thread and the main Star Wars thread, it's like many of us here have been in Star Wars therapy for the past couple of years. We've b*tched and vented and griped and argued about all of this 'til we were blue in the face. And then we finally just got numb to it all, accepted the state of affairs, and realized that we can't change the franchise. It is what it is. So, with one movie left, and a lot of us here having gone back and rewatched the entire saga as of late, the nostalgia is really kicking in and we're now just along for the ride. Whatever happens is going to happen, so we might as well be optimistic because we have the "coping mechanisms" now in place if it sucks.
And no offense at all, but with you saying what you're saying it's like looking in a mirror from a couple of years ago. You come across as the guy who hasn't been to "Star Wars therapy" yet. While a lot of us agree with the points you're making, it's kind of like, "Poor guy, he's got a long road to acceptance." Of course, I'm half joking, and I mean all of this in the least condescending/pretentious way possible, but I think you get the point. Bluntly, you're just late to the conversation, that's all, and this thread/our attitudes, I think, have evolved to a different head space.
I think what I'm trying to say is this... between this thread and the main Star Wars thread, it's like many of us here have been in Star Wars therapy for the past couple of years. We've b*tched and vented and griped and argued about all of this 'til we were blue in the face. And then we finally just got numb to it all, accepted the state of affairs, and realized that we can't change the franchise. It is what it is. So, with one movie left, and a lot of us here having gone back and rewatched the entire saga as of late, the nostalgia is really kicking in and we're now just along for the ride. Whatever happens is going to happen, so we might as well be optimistic because we have the "coping mechanisms" now in place if it sucks.
And no offense at all, but with you saying what you're saying it's like looking in a mirror from a couple of years ago. You come across as the guy who hasn't been to "Star Wars therapy" yet. While a lot of us agree with the points you're making, it's kind of like, "Poor guy, he's got a long road to acceptance." Of course, I'm half joking, and I mean all of this in the least condescending/pretentious way possible, but I think you get the point. Bluntly, you're just late to the conversation, that's all, and this thread/our attitudes, I think, have evolved to a different head space.
Here's how I view it.
In 2000, my brother and I went to see Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band in Houston. Best concert I've ever been to, and that's saying something for me. Learned a lot of songs I didn't know previous and it was just electric.
In 2007 or so, we went and saw the same concert at the same venue. It started one hour late with zero explanation - in the middle of the week that sucks - and it was a very eclectic concert, lot of deep tracks and covers - and quite frankly we both were disappointed. Felt ripped off for the $$ we spent on tickets and were bummed by how few of our favorites were played.
If Springsteen came through again and there was a thread on here about it, people would talk about their favorite songs and best memories and when/where they were going to see the band.
If I came on the thread and repeatedly talked about how lousy the 2007 show was, and how the band had changed, and Bruce had gotten soft, and it wasn't the same band because Clarence is dead, and I sure hope they improve from that 2007 show, because my brother isn't even going to go this year because he's so disillusioned from the 2007 show and he's a hardcore Bruce fan and has all his albums, and on and on and on, people would eventually ignore me or tell me to STFU.
I get that you're entitled to your opinion, but on a thread clearly full of huge fans of the movie who can't wait for it to come out, how many times do you need to make your same few points?
In 2000, my brother and I went to see Bruce Springsteen and the E Street Band in Houston. Best concert I've ever been to, and that's saying something for me. Learned a lot of songs I didn't know previous and it was just electric.
In 2007 or so, we went and saw the same concert at the same venue. It started one hour late with zero explanation - in the middle of the week that sucks - and it was a very eclectic concert, lot of deep tracks and covers - and quite frankly we both were disappointed. Felt ripped off for the $$ we spent on tickets and were bummed by how few of our favorites were played.
If Springsteen came through again and there was a thread on here about it, people would talk about their favorite songs and best memories and when/where they were going to see the band.
If I came on the thread and repeatedly talked about how lousy the 2007 show was, and how the band had changed, and Bruce had gotten soft, and it wasn't the same band because Clarence is dead, and I sure hope they improve from that 2007 show, because my brother isn't even going to go this year because he's so disillusioned from the 2007 show and he's a hardcore Bruce fan and has all his albums, and on and on and on, people would eventually ignore me or tell me to STFU.
I get that you're entitled to your opinion, but on a thread clearly full of huge fans of the movie who can't wait for it to come out, how many times do you need to make your same few points?
Clearly, group therapy and Bruce Springsteen concerts are the keys to Star Wars happiness.
Put me in the Star Wars is always awesome camp
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All 30 have a Star Wars reference in them.
All 30 have a Star Wars reference in them.
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Is there anything about taxes?
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How could that be? I haven't clicked but to me that would be huge.....wouldn't necessarily spoil the actual story cause the text scroll never has....but spoils the experience of reading it and seeing it for the first time in the theatre....
Besides that's got to be fake right?
Besides that's got to be fake right?
TCTTS said:
No one will ever be able convince me that the Finn/Rose and Holdo/Poe plot lines are good, but I do admit that the spine of the movie - the Rey/Luke stuff - grows on me more and more. That, and as I've said before, I think the final act - from Rey arriving to confront Snoke, all the way to the end - is remarkable. Basically, I've gone from "It's a bad movie with good parts" to "It's a good movie with bad parts."
You're basically trying to polish a turd.
TLJ was truly a bad movie. The "good" parts you reference were so poorly done and pissed off a lot of fans.
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If you've spent the last 2 years telling yourself that TLJ was the worst piece of filmmaking since battlefield earth, then you are never going to change your mind and you should probably consider ignoring Star Wars in general moving forward.
There's lots of things in life I don't enjoy. So unless I've got to do them (or I'm getting paid to) I ignore them. For instance, I've never watched a hallmark Christmas movie, and I certainly wouldn't and then spend the next few years of my life *****ing about it on the internet.
TLJ got good reviews, had a huge box office, and huge DVD sales afterwards. The majority of the movie going public thought it was a good movie. If you didn't like it, that's fine, but you need to accept that most people don't share your high level of negative passion on this issue.
There's lots of things in life I don't enjoy. So unless I've got to do them (or I'm getting paid to) I ignore them. For instance, I've never watched a hallmark Christmas movie, and I certainly wouldn't and then spend the next few years of my life *****ing about it on the internet.
TLJ got good reviews, had a huge box office, and huge DVD sales afterwards. The majority of the movie going public thought it was a good movie. If you didn't like it, that's fine, but you need to accept that most people don't share your high level of negative passion on this issue.
C@LAg said:
Episode 9 Title Crawl
Only click if you want to see it....
https://imgur.com/KGpnvLF
In this format to prevent spoilers.
Please start a spoilers thread.
Has anyone considered the fact that Billy Dee Williams' name is William Williams?
It's because he's a clone.
I thought there already was one....just no one has posted anything on it for a while so it's dropped off the first page
Whoa! Can't wait!C@LAg said:
Episode 9 Title Crawl
Only click if you want to see it....
https://imgur.com/KGpnvLF
In this format to prevent spoilers.
It's fake / a joke.
amercer said:
If you've spent the last 2 years telling yourself that TLJ was the worst piece of filmmaking since battlefield earth, then you are never going to change your mind and you should probably consider ignoring Star Wars in general moving forward.
There's lots of things in life I don't enjoy. So unless I've got to do them (or I'm getting paid to) I ignore them. For instance, I've never watched a hallmark Christmas movie, and I certainly wouldn't and then spend the next few years of my life *****ing about it on the internet.
TLJ got good reviews, had a huge box office, and huge DVD sales afterwards. The majority of the movie going public thought it was a good movie. If you didn't like it, that's fine, but you need to accept that most people don't share your high level of negative passion on this issue.
LOL
43% audience score on RT
4.4/10 user score on Metacritic
That's not the majority of the public thinking it was a good movie.
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CNN is very fake news.
I Stand with Sul Ross.
#NotAnotherDime
BLM is a lie.
CNN is very fake news.
I Stand with Sul Ross.
#NotAnotherDime
BLM is a lie.
Can we have staff autoban people for harping on the last jedi on the rise of Skywalker thread? Nobody ****ing cares that you didn't like it
No one cares if you did. So let's go ahead and ban them too.
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Nah, just TLJ. And Rocky V
DannyDuberstein said:
Nah, just TLJ. And Rocky V
Avatar?........
Avatar is a piece of **** movie, and I'll fight those who disagree.
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