GiveEmHellBill said:

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bangobango said:

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You knew this was coming:

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People these days are so GD entitled. The same idiots starting and signing these worthless petitions vote in real elections, too. And that's terrifying.

I'd bet most of the people who signed this also want the government to pay off their student loans.

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bangobango said:

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GiveEmHellBill said:

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bangobango said:

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You knew this was coming:

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People these days are so GD entitled. The same idiots starting and signing these worthless petitions vote in real elections, too. And that's terrifying.

I'd bet most of the people who signed this also want the government to pay off their student loans.

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This is really weird comparison.

The shows are a consumer product that people pay hard earned money to consume. I'm not sure how expressing their displeasure in something they purchased makes them entitled?

Do you profusely thank the people at a grocery store for allowing you to pay them for spoiled fruit or something? Do you think television is a privilege you are granted from on high?

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SAtxag16 said:

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Urban Ag said:

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SAtxag16 said:

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StringerBell said:

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I thought they covered the night kings origin fairly well

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I think people were just hoping that there was more to him than just wanting to bring "The Long Night".

Honestly not sure how much of that letdown was on D&D vs. fans just overtheorizing. I think the show and it's bad guys had just been so much more nuanced up until that point that it was a bit disappointing that all the NK wanted was to kill everyone.

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I think this is a good point. There seems to be two general groups of fans.

Group A are people that probably typically consume a lot of fantasy and sci-fi. They're more invested in the genre. They have greater expectations and since the series moved off the books it hasn't really been able to deliver the way it did when the writers had a road map.

Group B are people that see this more as a soap opera. They're not nearly as invested in the how and the why, nor do they need everything thing to make perfect sense. They want to see what happens next. They're willing to forgive some inconsistencies and are not nearly as bothered by them.

As an example, Group A types absolutely hated everything about how Rhaegal was killed by ship mounted scorpions. Literally everything about the scene. Logic defied. No one could pull that off. How is Dany so stupid. The whole thing pissed them off. Group B looks at the same scene as thinks yeah, kind of hokey, but the scene was meant to build her anger and frustration and throw in something we didn't see coming. Dany is still arrogant and overconfident and flew herself in to an ambush. Let's move on.

I'm definitely in the Group B. I loved the books because I couldn't stop reading them because I wanted to know what happens next. The show is no different. I'm here to be entertained, not fulfilled necessarily.

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I think I'm probably somewhere in between.

I've really enjoyed the series, certainly one of my all time favorites, but maybe somewhere in the last couple years my expectations got too high. That's easy to do when you've got people theorizing for years about what might happen and I read a good bit of that.

I think one of GRRM's ideas that I really became infatuated with was the relationship between good and evil and how it is much more nuanced than it is often presented in books, movies and tv shows. I always thought that was such a interesting idea that he was exploring and they did a good job of that with characters like Cersei, Tywin, Jamie, the Wildlings, etc.

But then for the Night King, the ultimate villain, to really just be a killing machine wanting to end all human life. I found that pretty disappointing.

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SAtxag16 said:

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chase128 said:

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If the books ever come out I bet GRRM has a lot more on the white walkers. Seems like a lot changed for the show in that regard (adding the NK).
I think the show NK/white walkers is one of the biggest victims of the rushed show schedule.

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Couldn't agree more. I haven't read the books themselves, but I've read about them and from what i've read/heard from GRRM it sounds like the Winds of Winter is supposed to feature much more beyond the Wall.

Just unfortunate b/c I think the NK and White Walkers could have been much more compelling than what ended up largely being just traditional zombies.

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bangobango said:

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SAtxag16 said:

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Urban Ag said:

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SAtxag16 said:

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StringerBell said:

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I thought they covered the night kings origin fairly well

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I think people were just hoping that there was more to him than just wanting to bring "The Long Night".

Honestly not sure how much of that letdown was on D&D vs. fans just overtheorizing. I think the show and it's bad guys had just been so much more nuanced up until that point that it was a bit disappointing that all the NK wanted was to kill everyone.

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I think this is a good point. There seems to be two general groups of fans.

Group A are people that probably typically consume a lot of fantasy and sci-fi. They're more invested in the genre. They have greater expectations and since the series moved off the books it hasn't really been able to deliver the way it did when the writers had a road map.

Group B are people that see this more as a soap opera. They're not nearly as invested in the how and the why, nor do they need everything thing to make perfect sense. They want to see what happens next. They're willing to forgive some inconsistencies and are not nearly as bothered by them.

As an example, Group A types absolutely hated everything about how Rhaegal was killed by ship mounted scorpions. Literally everything about the scene. Logic defied. No one could pull that off. How is Dany so stupid. The whole thing pissed them off. Group B looks at the same scene as thinks yeah, kind of hokey, but the scene was meant to build her anger and frustration and throw in something we didn't see coming. Dany is still arrogant and overconfident and flew herself in to an ambush. Let's move on.

I'm definitely in the Group B. I loved the books because I couldn't stop reading them because I wanted to know what happens next. The show is no different. I'm here to be entertained, not fulfilled necessarily.

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I think I'm probably somewhere in between.

I've really enjoyed the series, certainly one of my all time favorites, but maybe somewhere in the last couple years my expectations got too high. That's easy to do when you've got people theorizing for years about what might happen and I read a good bit of that.

I think one of GRRM's ideas that I really became infatuated with was the relationship between good and evil and how it is much more nuanced than it is often presented in books, movies and tv shows. I always thought that was such a interesting idea that he was exploring and they did a good job of that with characters like Cersei, Tywin, Jamie, the Wildlings, etc.

But then for the Night King, the ultimate villain, to really just be a killing machine wanting to end all human life. I found that pretty disappointing.

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Here is the thing, this could've been done in a way that people would've been more apt to forgive the flaws.

I'll talk about it more when it's all over with, but moving battle with NK ahead of battle at Kings Landing was the fatal flaw in their writing, in my opinion. Every decision that stemmed from that really ruined the conclusion of this story for a lot of fans.

And I am 100% convinced the decision was made bc they did not want to fi many episodes with one or more of the big stars - Jon, Arya, Dany, or Tyrion, dead or gone.

So, they catered to fandom rather than protect the integrity of the story itself. When you do that on something like this, it makes a lot of things fall flat and hollow.

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OldShadeOfBlue said:

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SAtxag16 said:

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chase128 said:

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If the books ever come out I bet GRRM has a lot more on the white walkers. Seems like a lot changed for the show in that regard (adding the NK).
I think the show NK/white walkers is one of the biggest victims of the rushed show schedule.

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Couldn't agree more. I haven't read the books themselves, but I've read about them and from what i've read/heard from GRRM it sounds like the Winds of Winter is supposed to feature much more beyond the Wall.

Just unfortunate b/c I think the NK and White Walkers could have been much more compelling than what ended up largely being just traditional zombies.

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Well if you're looking for a better ending with the NK in the books you're going to be disappointed all over again

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smokeythebear said:

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How exactly do you have the Starks defeating the Night King after Dany burns down all of Kings Landing?

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The Long Night (or I should say, One Night Stand) took only one episode and one battle, while three episodes were spent on dealing with King's Landing. However, due to the early timing of (f)Aegon's arrival in Dorne, it was likely that Daenerys would have had to deal with him before or during the Long Night, hence the battle against the Night King could have gotten the time and focus that it deserved. It also sets up a potential redemption arc for Daenerys (if she fights Aegon, stands in a snow-covered Red Keep, then returns to help Jon win against the Night King at the cost of her own life).

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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LMAO. Wow.

It isn't the showing displeasure that's entitled. It's expecting to crowd fund a remake. On a show that they voluntarily watch and pay for.

In your example that's like saying they don't just want a refund for spoiled fruit (which they could see when they picked it out)... but expecting to hire their own people to choose the fruit vendors and inspecting the transport trucks themselves. Just get your refund and go shop somewhere else.

They can cancel.....anytime.

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bangobango said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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LMAO. Wow.

It isn't the showing displeasure that's entitled. It's expecting to crowd fund a remake. On a show that they voluntarily watch and pay for.

In your example that's like saying they don't just want a refund for spoiled fruit (which they could see when they picked it out)... but expecting to hire their own people to choose the fruit vendors and inspecting the transport trucks themselves. Just get your refund and go shop somewhere else.

They can cancel.....anytime.

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Again, what about crowdfunding a remake of season 8 makes them entitled? They're offering to pay for the remake? How is that entitlement? Maybe you have a different definition of the word?

Is it stupid? I guess. Is it unlikely to happen? Probably.

Do I think if they keep doing this that eventually somebody will take them up on it? I am expecting that to happen in our lifetime, actually.

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bangobango said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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LMAO. Wow.

It isn't the showing displeasure that's entitled. It's expecting to crowd fund a remake. On a show that they voluntarily watch and pay for.

In your example that's like saying they don't just want a refund for spoiled fruit (which they could see when they picked it out)... but expecting to hire their own people to choose the fruit vendors and inspecting the transport trucks themselves. Just get your refund and go shop somewhere else.

They can cancel.....anytime.

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Again, what about crowdfunding a remake of season 8 makes them entitled? They're offering to pay for the remake? How is that entitlement? Maybe you have a different definition of the word?

Is it stupid? I guess. Is it unlikely to happen? Probably.

Do I think if they keep doing this that eventually somebody will take them up on it? I am expecting that to happen in our lifetime, actually.

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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bangobango said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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LMAO. Wow.

It isn't the showing displeasure that's entitled. It's expecting to crowd fund a remake. On a show that they voluntarily watch and pay for.

In your example that's like saying they don't just want a refund for spoiled fruit (which they could see when they picked it out)... but expecting to hire their own people to choose the fruit vendors and inspecting the transport trucks themselves. Just get your refund and go shop somewhere else.

They can cancel.....anytime.

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Again, what about crowdfunding a remake of season 8 makes them entitled? They're offering to pay for the remake? How is that entitlement? Maybe you have a different definition of the word?

Is it stupid? I guess. Is it unlikely to happen? Probably.

Do I think if they keep doing this that eventually somebody will take them up on it? I am expecting that to happen in our lifetime, actually.

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Do you remake everything you don't like? Or try to get it remade?

Entitled means believing you are deserving of special treatment.

Expecting every show you dislike to be remade in a way you like, seems like special treatment to me?

Since that has never occurred before in the history of TV wouldn't it be special treatment (meaning a remake based on fan funding).

Then you have the added issue of let's say they remake it for $100M...... But what if 43% of those who contributed don't like that remake - are they now deserving of a third remake? And if they raise another $100M do we then make a third version that only satisfies another 35% of them for whatever reason. And then they start lawsuits because they didn't make the version Leroy likes and he sues Barbara who suggested some plotline that made it in.

I mean there definitely are remakes made to improve upon originals - but those happen organically within the industry when a writer and director and studio, etc. get on board with it. Often that's modernizing with technology but if they wanted to do it for their own interest, sure why not. Hell Lucas did it with special editions of his own movies (and made them worse).

It's the Joe Bob and Sue Ellen's giving $4.30 to fund a remake (and expecting it to meet their wishes) that cracks me up.

But whatever floats your boat.

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pagerman @ work said:

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bangobango said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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LMAO. Wow.

It isn't the showing displeasure that's entitled. It's expecting to crowd fund a remake. On a show that they voluntarily watch and pay for.

In your example that's like saying they don't just want a refund for spoiled fruit (which they could see when they picked it out)... but expecting to hire their own people to choose the fruit vendors and inspecting the transport trucks themselves. Just get your refund and go shop somewhere else.

They can cancel.....anytime.

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Again, what about crowdfunding a remake of season 8 makes them entitled? They're offering to pay for the remake? How is that entitlement? Maybe you have a different definition of the word?

Is it stupid? I guess. Is it unlikely to happen? Probably.

Do I think if they keep doing this that eventually somebody will take them up on it? I am expecting that to happen in our lifetime, actually.

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It's basically just a way for fans to send a message to the two schmucks that are running the show that they have screwed up badly.

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MuckRaker96 said:

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bangobango said:

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I've seen this happen on here enough to know, the ones defending the show are on the losing aide of this one. This is going down as one of the biggest flops in tv history. It's done.

Three years from now there won't even be any debate about it. Ten years from now when another pop culture phenomenon flops, people will reference the last season of game of thrones and nobody will bat an eye. Just go search last season threads of LOST and then look how many times people bring it up now with nobody defending g it (I was one of the ones defending last season of LOST on here way back when, btw).

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I've seen this raw flop only once before. It didn't scare me then. IT DOES NOW.

Seriously dude, the biggest flops in TV history? 18.6 million people watched the episode you guys think was so awful. Those advertising dollars are just as tasty as the ones from the episodes that scored 99% on RT. And people are going watch the hell outta that prequel whenever it comes out. A big flop is what happened to Joey or something like that where you had huge hopes and a huge star and it tanked.

As for nobody defending Lost anymore, that show ended 9 years ago next week. Most people who hated or liked it have probably just moved on with their lives beyond being upset about who was dead, who was alive, why the smoke monster couldn't swim, and why they never wrote in a scene where Sun and Kate made out.

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AustinAg2K said:

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It's funny. Two years ago, I remember there being arguments on here about how the show was better written than the books. People complained GRRM put in too much detail, and D&D got straight to the point. Now, everything has flipped. I don't see anyone praising the show writing anymore.

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Texaggie7nine said:

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Maybe if you kill the Night King, you become the new Night King and Arya and that horse are both dead.

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Too bad these writers are POS writers and we have no background on the night king or how he came to be....thats my biggest hate for how these writers just overlooked the NK. So stupid....

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