Zombie Jon Snow said:

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PatAg said:

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There's definitely too many personal attacks going on from both sides of the fence.

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Please demonstrate my personal attacks on anyone - until that response which was provoked by a whiny little butthurt *****.

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aTmAg said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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aTmAg said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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aTmAg said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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aTmAg said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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aTmAg said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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aTmAg said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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aTmAg said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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bobinator said:

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Yeah, I mean that's clearly what they've decided they're going for. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

The city has surrendered. If she's that hell bent on instilling fear, accept the surrender, and then kill every single person in the city who fought to defend it.

There are a thousand steps between 'I need to instill fear' and 'I need to kill everyone in this city' and she didn't take any of them.

I just think it's lazy after seven years of all of the tiny steps her character has taken, that in her final act she's reduced to just 'well she's crazy now.'

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You don't understand.. she's ALWAYS been crazy. Haven't you been watching all the groundwork they have been laying down in EVERY season to show how crazy she is? If you didn't see that coming, then you weren't paying attention.

(Nevermind, nobody else predicted that ending either.)

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This is a ridiculous argument. Nobody saw Frey killing Robb, yet they laid the groundwork for it. Just because it surprised you doesn't mean the signs weren't there.

And the signs have been there.

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What ground work was laid where Frey would kill every last member of that family? I don't remember such groundwork being laid.

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Frey was shown as this arrogant man who was angry at constantly being looked over until he was needed. He invited the Starks and agreed to side against the Lannister's in exchange for Robb marrying his daughter, assuring a Frey in royalty in the north. Robb decided that love was more important than his honor as king, and Frey was pissed about it. He pretended to be ok with just marrying the daughter to Edmure.

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So the point I am making is this: We didn't know enough about Frey to know if he was capable of wiping out the entire Stark family. When he did it, it was shocking, for sure, but it wasn't outside the limited character of Frey that we were exposed to.

Yet we have spent 8 seasons with Dany. She is one of the main characters. We know her well enough to know that he is very unlikely to go on random a civilian killing spree. So if they were going to make her do so, then they needed to show us more on why she would do it. A lot more than "well she's a Targaryen" or "it wasn't enough" (as D&D stated).

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And they have, as shown with multiple examples over the past 10 pages.

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And they were all terrible. Retribution for injustice, treason, etc. are not in the same ballpark as wiping out a city and killing tons of innocent civilians after the battle was over. Groundwork for that was never laid out in past seasons.

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Well I disagree.

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So you disagree that killing a civilian who did nothing more than live in a city is vastly different than killing somebody in retribution for some past injustice?

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That's not what I said. No need to make up my arguments, I have been telling you them for the past 10 pages, you can read what I actually did say. You aren't going to change my opinion, and it's obvious from this thread nobody will ever change yours.

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Correct, my opinion will not change since all of her past kills have fallen into the retribution category until last night. Which is why it was terrible writing and why much of the GoT fandom is up in arms this morning. It's not just me.

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That's fine, I disagree with them too. Although I think "much" is too big of descriptor for the size of your group. Every casual fan I've talked to so far has talked about how awesome the episode was last night.

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Yep there are far more positives on here then negatives - not so with E3 or E4 they were much more negative. Of course he also repeatedly said a million died until he was corrected. Tends to exaggerate.

Outside of here - my entire text message thread group (9 people) I've had since season 3 are all in awe but nobody complained it was out of character. A few loved it, a few were stunned but still on board.

One of them, my daughter (20) - who loves Dany and the dragons said:

"WOWWWWWWW. Yeah that was what I've expected from Thrones all along!! There is my baby"!!!!

so proud. lol.

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Odd. 100% of my thread group were WTFing all night long and thought it was totally out of character.

(And you might want to get your daughter checked out if she gets pumped up by genocide of innocents)

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FFS what a stupid statement.

GFY

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What does FFS stand for.


(And you might want to get your sense of humor checked while you are there with your daughter)

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PatAg said:

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I wasn't responding to you, sorry if it seemed that way. That guy is a jackass

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aTmAg said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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aTmAg said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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aTmAg said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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aTmAg said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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aTmAg said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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aTmAg said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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bobinator said:

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Yeah, I mean that's clearly what they've decided they're going for. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

The city has surrendered. If she's that hell bent on instilling fear, accept the surrender, and then kill every single person in the city who fought to defend it.

There are a thousand steps between 'I need to instill fear' and 'I need to kill everyone in this city' and she didn't take any of them.

I just think it's lazy after seven years of all of the tiny steps her character has taken, that in her final act she's reduced to just 'well she's crazy now.'

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You don't understand.. she's ALWAYS been crazy. Haven't you been watching all the groundwork they have been laying down in EVERY season to show how crazy she is? If you didn't see that coming, then you weren't paying attention.

(Nevermind, nobody else predicted that ending either.)

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This is a ridiculous argument. Nobody saw Frey killing Robb, yet they laid the groundwork for it. Just because it surprised you doesn't mean the signs weren't there.

And the signs have been there.

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What ground work was laid where Frey would kill every last member of that family? I don't remember such groundwork being laid.

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Frey was shown as this arrogant man who was angry at constantly being looked over until he was needed. He invited the Starks and agreed to side against the Lannister's in exchange for Robb marrying his daughter, assuring a Frey in royalty in the north. Robb decided that love was more important than his honor as king, and Frey was pissed about it. He pretended to be ok with just marrying the daughter to Edmure.

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So the point I am making is this: We didn't know enough about Frey to know if he was capable of wiping out the entire Stark family. When he did it, it was shocking, for sure, but it wasn't outside the limited character of Frey that we were exposed to.

Yet we have spent 8 seasons with Dany. She is one of the main characters. We know her well enough to know that he is very unlikely to go on random a civilian killing spree. So if they were going to make her do so, then they needed to show us more on why she would do it. A lot more than "well she's a Targaryen" or "it wasn't enough" (as D&D stated).

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And they have, as shown with multiple examples over the past 10 pages.

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And they were all terrible. Retribution for injustice, treason, etc. are not in the same ballpark as wiping out a city and killing tons of innocent civilians after the battle was over. Groundwork for that was never laid out in past seasons.

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Well I disagree.

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So you disagree that killing a civilian who did nothing more than live in a city is vastly different than killing somebody in retribution for some past injustice?

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That's not what I said. No need to make up my arguments, I have been telling you them for the past 10 pages, you can read what I actually did say. You aren't going to change my opinion, and it's obvious from this thread nobody will ever change yours.

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Correct, my opinion will not change since all of her past kills have fallen into the retribution category until last night. Which is why it was terrible writing and why much of the GoT fandom is up in arms this morning. It's not just me.

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That's fine, I disagree with them too. Although I think "much" is too big of descriptor for the size of your group. Every casual fan I've talked to so far has talked about how awesome the episode was last night.

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Yep there are far more positives on here then negatives - not so with E3 or E4 they were much more negative. Of course he also repeatedly said a million died until he was corrected. Tends to exaggerate.

Outside of here - my entire text message thread group (9 people) I've had since season 3 are all in awe but nobody complained it was out of character. A few loved it, a few were stunned but still on board.

One of them, my daughter (20) - who loves Dany and the dragons said:

"WOWWWWWWW. Yeah that was what I've expected from Thrones all along!! There is my baby"!!!!

so proud. lol.

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Odd. 100% of my thread group were WTFing all night long and thought it was totally out of character.

(And you might want to get your daughter checked out if she gets pumped up by genocide of innocents)

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FFS what a stupid statement.

GFY

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What does FFS stand for.


(And you might want to get your sense of humor checked while you are there with your daughter)

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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wangus12 said:

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Rule #1 on the daughter.

Also, she might be a psychopath

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lol. i'll let that go. obviously a joke.

she's prettier than anyone on that show - but i could be biased - and an actress.

She actually looks at the show differently than anyone anyway- she looks at it from acting perspective and I know she would have loved to be Dany in that scene for example. Actors want substance and drama - good or bad.

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aTmAg said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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aTmAg said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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aTmAg said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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aTmAg said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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aTmAg said:

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Champ Bailey said:

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bobinator said:

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Yeah, I mean that's clearly what they've decided they're going for. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

The city has surrendered. If she's that hell bent on instilling fear, accept the surrender, and then kill every single person in the city who fought to defend it.

There are a thousand steps between 'I need to instill fear' and 'I need to kill everyone in this city' and she didn't take any of them.

I just think it's lazy after seven years of all of the tiny steps her character has taken, that in her final act she's reduced to just 'well she's crazy now.'

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You don't understand.. she's ALWAYS been crazy. %A0Haven't you been watching all the groundwork they have been laying down in EVERY season to show how crazy she is? %A0If you didn't see that coming, then you weren't paying attention.

(Nevermind, nobody else predicted that ending either.)

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This is a ridiculous argument. Nobody saw Frey killing Robb, yet they laid the groundwork for it. Just because it surprised you doesn't mean the signs weren't there.

And the signs have been there.

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What ground work was laid where Frey would kill every last member of that family? %A0I don't remember such groundwork being laid.

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Frey was shown as this arrogant man who was angry at constantly being looked over until he was needed. He invited the Starks and agreed to side against the Lannister's in exchange for Robb marrying his daughter, assuring a Frey in royalty in the north. Robb decided that love was more important than his honor as king, and Frey was pissed about it. He pretended to be ok with just marrying the daughter to Edmure.

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So the point I am making is this: We didn't know enough about Frey to know if he was capable of wiping out the entire Stark family. %A0When he did it, it was shocking, for sure, but it wasn't outside the limited character of Frey that we were exposed to.

Yet we have spent 8 seasons with Dany. %A0She is one of the main characters. %A0We know her well enough to know that he is very unlikely to go on random a civilian killing spree. %A0So if they were going to make her do so, then they needed to show us more on why she would do it. %A0A lot more than "well she's a Targaryen" or "it wasn't enough" (as D&D stated).

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And they have, as shown with multiple examples over the past 10 pages. %A0

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And they were all terrible. %A0Retribution for injustice, treason, etc. are not in the same ballpark as wiping out a city and killing tons of innocent civilians after the battle was over. %A0Groundwork for that was never laid out in past seasons.

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Well I disagree.

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So you disagree that killing a civilian who did nothing more than live in a city is vastly different than killing somebody in retribution for some past injustice?

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That's not what I said. No need to make up my arguments, I have been telling you them for the past 10 pages, you can read what I actually did say. You aren't going to change my opinion, and it's obvious from this thread nobody will ever change yours.

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Correct, my opinion will not change since all of her past kills have fallen into the retribution category until last night. %A0Which is why it was terrible writing and why much of the GoT fandom is up in arms this morning. %A0It's not just me.

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That's fine, I disagree with them too. Although I think "much" is too big of descriptor for the size of your group. %A0Every casual fan I've talked to so far has talked about how awesome the episode was last night.

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Yep there are far more positives on here then negatives - not so with E3 or E4 they were much more negative. Of course he also repeatedly said a million died until he was corrected. Tends to exaggerate.

Outside of here - my entire text message thread group (9 people) I've had since season 3 are all in awe but nobody complained it was out of character. A few loved it, a few were stunned but still on board.

One of them, my daughter (20) - who loves Dany and the dragons said:

"WOWWWWWWW. Yeah that was what I've expected from Thrones all along!! There is my baby"!!!!

so proud. lol.

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Odd. %A0100% of my thread group (not all were texting.. many were co-workers this morning) were WTFing all night long and thought it was totally out of character.

(And you might want to get your daughter checked out if she gets pumped up by genocide of innocents)

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