Zombie Jon Snow said:
They agreed to a parlay there. That's why the two advisors met halfway to discuss terms. They obviously did not come to attack and both Queens were out there (on foot and in dresses) which they never would be if any fighting was going to take place.
That's it.
Generally speaking you don't shoot during an armistice discussion.
gigemJTH12 said:
Did anyone listen to Oysters Clams and Cockles this week?
Ross was so confused on the Tyrion/Sansa conversation. He thought Tyrion already knew about Jons lineage before that. That bran told him.
Blows my mind someone with a big podcast like that could be SO confused on something so obvious(that Sansa told him right there)
I think yes, at least there will be an attempt. Maybe Tyrion dies trying to thwart it?Urban Ag said:
So anyone think that Varys will truly re-enter the GOT and move against Dany? Stealthy coup d' etat?
No reason the believe he is not sincere in what he has told Tyrion.
That's how you guarantee yourself no allies. If she can't keep her word on that, then she can't be trusted with anything. I would never send ambassadors to talk to her out of fear that she may just have them killed because "she doesn't play fair".Joseph Parrish said:
This is why i think it was out of character for Cersei to not kill them on the spot. She doesn't play fair.
M.C. Swag said:Zombie Jon Snow said:
They agreed to a parlay there. That's why the two advisors met halfway to discuss terms. They obviously did not come to attack and both Queens were out there (on foot and in dresses) which they never would be if any fighting was going to take place.
That's it.
Generally speaking you don't shoot during an armistice discussion.
Generally speaking Cersei doesn't play by the rules. She literally blew up a holy place of worship with hundreds of innocent bystanders in/around the blast zone. Why exactly would she suddenly care about the rules of 'parlay' when her biggest adversary and 'known' threat to her people is so obviously exposed?
It didn't/doesn't make sense not to at least kill Tyrion on spot. Especially given how Missandei was handled.
She ***s her brother, ***s her cousin, kills her husband, tortures people, betrays oaths, but parlaying is where she draws the line? lol that's just a bridge too far eh?Zombie Jon Snow said:M.C. Swag said:Zombie Jon Snow said:
They agreed to a parlay there. That's why the two advisors met halfway to discuss terms. They obviously did not come to attack and both Queens were out there (on foot and in dresses) which they never would be if any fighting was going to take place.
That's it.
Generally speaking you don't shoot during an armistice discussion.
Generally speaking Cersei doesn't play by the rules. She literally blew up a holy place of worship with hundreds of innocent bystanders in/around the blast zone. Why exactly would she suddenly care about the rules of 'parlay' when her biggest adversary and 'known' threat to her people is so obviously exposed?
It didn't/doesn't make sense not to at least kill Tyrion on spot. Especially given how Missandei was handled.
She wasn't standing nearby at the Sept though was she? she was back hiding safely in her room.
she played by the rules at the dragon pit too last season and she could have overwhelmed them there too - other than the dragon.
Missandei = Rickon a pawn not a general or other high ranking person. Tyrion is equal to Qyburn. Kill Tyrion and Qyburn gets killed too.
Generally speaking when the generals et al are standing in front of the troops instead of behind them there is not going to be any fighting.
And Dany was standing on much more equal ground during the fighting pit scene. Cersei didn't have the golden company or her super cross bows and Dany was at full strength.Zombie Jon Snow said:M.C. Swag said:Zombie Jon Snow said:
They agreed to a parlay there. That's why the two advisors met halfway to discuss terms. They obviously did not come to attack and both Queens were out there (on foot and in dresses) which they never would be if any fighting was going to take place.
That's it.
Generally speaking you don't shoot during an armistice discussion.
Generally speaking Cersei doesn't play by the rules. She literally blew up a holy place of worship with hundreds of innocent bystanders in/around the blast zone. Why exactly would she suddenly care about the rules of 'parlay' when her biggest adversary and 'known' threat to her people is so obviously exposed?
It didn't/doesn't make sense not to at least kill Tyrion on spot. Especially given how Missandei was handled.
she played by the rules at the dragon pit too last season and she could have overwhelmed them there too - other than the dragon.
The parts that are bolded don't make sense. You contradicted yourself. Either Cersei WANTS Dany to attack for some obvious benefit to her or she doesn't and adheres by the rules because there's nothing to gain. Which is it?bobinator said:
I also still think it's as easy as not wanting to just kill Dany, she needs to wipe out her army. I've posted this a few times already, but just once more to see what folks think...
Cersei knows that if Dany falls, Jon (who isn't there) will be in control. Jon, and by extension Sansa and the others, are much more pragmatic leaders and will likely pull the army back, regroup, call in more banners against Cersei, create a large alliance, etc. And then attack King's Landing down the road in a battle that Cersei has no chance to win.
Her best chance is if they attack, right now, so she's trying to provoke Dany into doing it. That's why she kills Missandei, she doesn't want Dany to be patient and wait for support, she wants her to attack with everything she has, right now.
So yeah, Cersei doesn't play by the rules, but she accepted this parlay and isn't going to break the rules of it because it doesn't benefit her to.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
Can we all agree that the most rightful claim to the throne now belongs to Gendry Baratheon?
M.C. Swag said:And Dany was standing on much more equal ground during the fighting pit scene. Cersei didn't have the golden company or her super cross bows and Dany was at full strength.Zombie Jon Snow said:M.C. Swag said:Zombie Jon Snow said:
They agreed to a parlay there. That's why the two advisors met halfway to discuss terms. They obviously did not come to attack and both Queens were out there (on foot and in dresses) which they never would be if any fighting was going to take place.
That's it.
Generally speaking you don't shoot during an armistice discussion.
Generally speaking Cersei doesn't play by the rules. She literally blew up a holy place of worship with hundreds of innocent bystanders in/around the blast zone. Why exactly would she suddenly care about the rules of 'parlay' when her biggest adversary and 'known' threat to her people is so obviously exposed?
It didn't/doesn't make sense not to at least kill Tyrion on spot. Especially given how Missandei was handled.
she played by the rules at the dragon pit too last season and she could have overwhelmed them there too - other than the dragon.
Dany is at her weakest and her biggest advantage has been neutralized.
gigemJTH12 said:
Oh I took at as she just thinks the writing sucks.
I HOPE it's how you took it.
chipotle said:gigemJTH12 said:
Oh I took at as she just thinks the writing sucks.
I HOPE it's how you took it.
I saw it as, "writing sucks" and "my character doesn't end well".
Marcus Aurelius said:
Trying to think of a movie / TV series where enemies meet to negotiate with respect and one attacks the other with a disadvantage. 300 ?? "This is Sparta!!!!!!"
chipotle said:gigemJTH12 said:
Oh I took at as she just thinks the writing sucks.
I HOPE it's how you took it.
I saw it as, "writing sucks" and "my character doesn't end well".
Cersei and Co don't know the details of how the first dragon died. They do know they killed the second in an ambush. They also know once the threat was realized that hitting a dragon/rider aware of the danger didn't work out as well. If Cersei has her troops start flinging arrows and giant crossbow bolts at Dany and her entourage, she immediately puts herself in great danger that Drogon goes beserk and attacks. That could easily end in deep fried bich or in Drogon's death, but it's not a sound risk to take. A pissed off, wounded, Drogon at that proximity could end her reign in moments and she's know it.M.C. Swag said:The parts that are bolded don't make sense. You contradicted yourself. Either Cersei WANTS Dany to attack for some obvious benefit to her or she doesn't and adheres by the rules because there's nothing to gain. Which is it?bobinator said:
I also still think it's as easy as not wanting to just kill Dany, she needs to wipe out her army. I've posted this a few times already, but just once more to see what folks think...
Cersei knows that if Dany falls, Jon (who isn't there) will be in control. Jon, and by extension Sansa and the others, are much more pragmatic leaders and will likely pull the army back, regroup, call in more banners against Cersei, create a large alliance, etc. And then attack King's Landing down the road in a battle that Cersei has no chance to win.
Her best chance is if they attack, right now, so she's trying to provoke Dany into doing it. That's why she kills Missandei, she doesn't want Dany to be patient and wait for support, she wants her to attack with everything she has, right now.
So yeah, Cersei doesn't play by the rules, but she accepted this parlay and isn't going to break the rules of it because it doesn't benefit her to.
she been following to much Mark Hamill twittergigemJTH12 said:
Oh I took at as she just thinks the writing sucks.
I HOPE it's how you took it.
