It's been so long ago, but I thought she walked into that fire basically as a means for killing herself after having lost her husband and his tribe?redline248 said:
I think this depends on perspective. Some might say walking into a raging fire in the belief of hatching 3 dragons is a little cu-ckoo. After that, she's done similar things bc, as Tyrion says, can you blame her for believing it is destiny?
As far as doing anything really crazy? I asked that question earlier this morning and no one came up with anything legitimate.
Ruthless? Yes, you're damn right. Crazy? I don't see it, but maybe there is some bias involved.
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Burn them all. If you are so dumb you blindly follow Cersei you deserve what you get. Dany should have listened to Olenna
She knew she wouldn't burn up. She'd tested it before.BowSowy said:It's been so long ago, but I thought she walked into that fire basically as a means for killing herself after having lost her husband and his tribe?redline248 said:
I think this depends on perspective. Some might say walking into a raging fire in the belief of hatching 3 dragons is a little cu-ckoo. After that, she's done similar things bc, as Tyrion says, can you blame her for believing it is destiny?
As far as doing anything really crazy? I asked that question earlier this morning and no one came up with anything legitimate.
Ruthless? Yes, you're damn right. Crazy? I don't see it, but maybe there is some bias involved.
Sine poena nulla lex.
I don't view Dany in a "mad queen" way even though she has committed some acts that would lead you to believe she has those tendencies in her. I think it is a mistake to say that her end game is just the throne without clarifying that she has always wanted to make things better for the seven kingdoms. She knows in order to do that she will need the throne, and then she can put the right people in charge. Has she had to be ruthless at times? Of course, but she learned quickly that people would try to take advantage of her inexperience.
I am leaning towards her not being able to pull the trigger on killing all the innocent men, women, and children at KL in episode 5, but she will tear that a** up when it comes to Euron's fleet, the Golden Company, etc. - my guess is Cersei uses wildfire to blow that **** up when she realizes she is near defeat
I am leaning towards her not being able to pull the trigger on killing all the innocent men, women, and children at KL in episode 5, but she will tear that a** up when it comes to Euron's fleet, the Golden Company, etc. - my guess is Cersei uses wildfire to blow that **** up when she realizes she is near defeat
I mean killing the former slave in Mereen was a pretty bad look.redline248 said:
I think this depends on perspective. Some might say walking into a raging fire in the belief of hatching 3 dragons is a little cu-ckoo. After that, she's done similar things bc, as Tyrion says, can you blame her for believing it is destiny?
As far as doing anything really crazy? I asked that question earlier this morning and no one came up with anything legitimate.
Ruthless? Yes, you're damn right. Crazy? I don't see it, but maybe there is some bias involved.
Crucifying the masters? Maybe justified, but again, kind of a bad look.
But again, nothing wildly crazy. She always listened to her advisors, hence her suppressing what may have been much worse tendencies.
So I've thought about it, and here's what I want to happen:
-Dany goes to distract Euron and the iron fleet with Drogon. She says she'll fly out of range but close enough to entice them, Euron's on his ship and sees her coming out in the distance. He goes to the bigass crossbow, and takes aim. Suddenly the water right in front of the ships explodes upwards. Rhaegal is back, but this time as a water dragon somehow. What is dead may never die. Jon and the remaining Dothraki flank them from behind with ships.
-They then storm the **** out of King's Landing. Cersei barricades herself in the red keep. Showdown between Greyworm and the Mountain at the doors of the keep. Greyworm dies, but weakens the mountain a bit. Hound comes in, finishes the job but is mortally wounded. Arya comes to his side as he's dying and slits his throat. One name down.
-Jamie is back in the red keep and ends up having to fight Brienne, who bursts through the doors. Cersei still has him all ****ed up in the head. He has a change of heart mid-fight and lets his guard down momentarily and gets stabbed, likely mortally. Brienne rushes to his side and helps him up. Lannister men burst in and Jamie tells Brienne to run deeper into the keep, he'll fend them off. We cut to more fighting around the city.
-Brienne goes deeper, and arrives in the throne room with Cersei, Jamie bleeding in tow. It looks like he's survived. Brienne dumps him on the floor. Cersei rushes to him. But wait, game of faces, mother****er. It's Arya. Jamie died. Arya stabs her with the night king killer knife and Brienne take turns chopping Cersei to bits. It's a gratuitously violent scene that lasts for much longer than it maybe should. Episode over.
-Dany goes to distract Euron and the iron fleet with Drogon. She says she'll fly out of range but close enough to entice them, Euron's on his ship and sees her coming out in the distance. He goes to the bigass crossbow, and takes aim. Suddenly the water right in front of the ships explodes upwards. Rhaegal is back, but this time as a water dragon somehow. What is dead may never die. Jon and the remaining Dothraki flank them from behind with ships.
-They then storm the **** out of King's Landing. Cersei barricades herself in the red keep. Showdown between Greyworm and the Mountain at the doors of the keep. Greyworm dies, but weakens the mountain a bit. Hound comes in, finishes the job but is mortally wounded. Arya comes to his side as he's dying and slits his throat. One name down.
-Jamie is back in the red keep and ends up having to fight Brienne, who bursts through the doors. Cersei still has him all ****ed up in the head. He has a change of heart mid-fight and lets his guard down momentarily and gets stabbed, likely mortally. Brienne rushes to his side and helps him up. Lannister men burst in and Jamie tells Brienne to run deeper into the keep, he'll fend them off. We cut to more fighting around the city.
-Brienne goes deeper, and arrives in the throne room with Cersei, Jamie bleeding in tow. It looks like he's survived. Brienne dumps him on the floor. Cersei rushes to him. But wait, game of faces, mother****er. It's Arya. Jamie died. Arya stabs her with the night king killer knife and Brienne take turns chopping Cersei to bits. It's a gratuitously violent scene that lasts for much longer than it maybe should. Episode over.
BowSowy said:It's been so long ago, but I thought she walked into that fire basically as a means for killing herself after having lost her husband and his tribe?redline248 said:
I think this depends on perspective. Some might say walking into a raging fire in the belief of hatching 3 dragons is a little cu-ckoo. After that, she's done similar things bc, as Tyrion says, can you blame her for believing it is destiny?
As far as doing anything really crazy? I asked that question earlier this morning and no one came up with anything legitimate.
Ruthless? Yes, you're damn right. Crazy? I don't see it, but maybe there is some bias involved.
She had zero intention of dying in that fire
dany has been an annoying child since about the time she had her brother's head melted off.
Do we know for sure that she really wants to make things better?Quote:
I think it is a mistake to say that her end game is just the throne without clarifying that she has always wanted to make things better for the seven kingdoms. She knows in order to do that she will need the throne, and then she can put the right people in charge.
You could make an argument that she wants the throne at all costs, and had learned to convinced others (and maybe even herself) that she would be better than those that came before her.
But really, it's just about getting that throne that she feels so desperately entitled to.
(Obviously, now that Cersei is on the throne, this is true. But before her, things weren't so clear cut.)
I don't see how she has a choice now.CFTXAG10 said:
I am leaning towards her not being able to pull the trigger on killing all the innocent men, women, and children at KL in episode 5.
Even if she's like 'fine, we're not going to attack, we're just going to blockade King's Landing" then those people on the inside would starve to death.
Bunk Moreland said:redline248 said:
Things are pretty simple.
Jon and Dany are the show's protagonists. Cersei and Night King are/were the antagonists.
It does amaze me how the show has made so many viewers dislike one of their protagonists, and I don't even think they meant to do it. They kind of suck at this whole storytelling thing.
Skyler is the worst!
In fact, if Dany REALLY cares about making things better, then she would probably abdicate the throne to Jon, who has more support and almost unquestionably would be a better ruler than her. (And who in fact has the better claim.)
I've been kind of workshopping a theory that her goal was never to win the Iron Throne for herself, but to make sure that nobody sits on it. The 'break the wheel' thing would seem to indicate that as well.
But she doesn't think anyone will go along with that unless she's in charge first and makes them go along with it.
Has kind of a French revolution feel to it where she might have some kind of idea of civil liberties and democracy for everyone but she has to kill all of the old guard first and to do that is going to require her taking power.
But she doesn't think anyone will go along with that unless she's in charge first and makes them go along with it.
Has kind of a French revolution feel to it where she might have some kind of idea of civil liberties and democracy for everyone but she has to kill all of the old guard first and to do that is going to require her taking power.
Yeah it seems to me she started out wanting the throne as her birthright but has used the people's champion angle to get support.
I don't think she is mad king levels but I don't know that she cares about the people anymore than any other normal monarch either. They are just a base of her power.
I don't think she is mad king levels but I don't know that she cares about the people anymore than any other normal monarch either. They are just a base of her power.
I can absolutely see where that POV comes from too, and I actually like that about her character. Hard to predict. Up to the viewer to decide.Brian Earl Spilner said:Do we know for sure that she really wants to make things better?Quote:
I think it is a mistake to say that her end game is just the throne without clarifying that she has always wanted to make things better for the seven kingdoms. She knows in order to do that she will need the throne, and then she can put the right people in charge.
You could make an argument that she just wants the throne at all costs, and had convinced others (and maybe even herself) that she would be better than those that came before her. But really, it's all about that throne that she feels so desperately entitled to.
(Obviously, now that Cersei is on the throne, this is true. But before her, things weren't so clear cut.)
This has been racking my brain a bit because Im trying to figure out how she can get to Cersei and co. without doing it, and you might be right that she cannotbobinator said:I don't see how she has a choice now.CFTXAG10 said:
I am leaning towards her not being able to pull the trigger on killing all the innocent men, women, and children at KL in episode 5.
Even if she's like 'fine, we're not going to attack, we're just going to blockade King's Landing" then those people on the inside would starve to death.
Aaaack! That gif would stifle many a potential poposal. Just imagine if she had a dragon.Broba Fett said:Bunk Moreland said:redline248 said:
Things are pretty simple.
Jon and Dany are the show's protagonists. Cersei and Night King are/were the antagonists.
It does amaze me how the show has made so many viewers dislike one of their protagonists, and I don't even think they meant to do it. They kind of suck at this whole storytelling thing.
Skyler is the worst!
Quote:
Do we know for sure that she really wants to make things better?
This is one of those things that usually needs some sort of exposition to make us question. She's always done what she thought was going to make lives better, at least for slaves/common folk. She definitely feels the throne is hers by right, but she really does want things to be better.
Her dad was a crazy fcker that terrorized his subjects, Robert wasted and neglected everything and put the Crown in debt, and Cersei is just like Aerys. Dany knows all this and really wants to be better.
Im still holding out hope that Yara is the one to take out Euron's fleet and kill his a**jtstanley4621 said:
So I've thought about it, and here's what I want to happen:
-Dany goes to distract Euron and the iron fleet with Drogon. She says she'll fly out of range but close enough to entice them, Euron's on his ship and sees her coming out in the distance. He goes to the bigass crossbow, and takes aim. Suddenly the water right in front of the ships explodes upwards. Rhaegal is back, but this time as a water dragon somehow. What is dead may never die. Jon and the remaining Dothraki flank them from behind with ships.
I do not see how you can say Dany has never cared for others. She's done some pretty amazing things to end slavery and help the common people before coming to the seven kingdoms.
I think she may be losing her way in her thirst for the throne, but she hasn't always been that way.
I think she may be losing her way in her thirst for the throne, but she hasn't always been that way.
I thought they could have used Rhageal better than just getting killed.
If Dany is standing there with Drogon and Rhageal. She wants him to fly off with her and Drogon, but he refuses and goes to Jon.
She would have lost one of her dragons, but in a "I'm turning my back on you" way. Talk about causing a rift between her and Jon. That also would have been a way to spread the truth about Jon without Sansa betraying him.
Thoughts?
If Dany is standing there with Drogon and Rhageal. She wants him to fly off with her and Drogon, but he refuses and goes to Jon.
She would have lost one of her dragons, but in a "I'm turning my back on you" way. Talk about causing a rift between her and Jon. That also would have been a way to spread the truth about Jon without Sansa betraying him.
Thoughts?
Have y'all discussed this theory? I've lost the will/ability to keep up with this thread.
Fourth, wild dragon roaming around out there??
Tyrion & Jorah saw a dragon in Valeria. Some folks say it was Drogon and other say it was not.
Fourth, wild dragon roaming around out there??
Tyrion & Jorah saw a dragon in Valeria. Some folks say it was Drogon and other say it was not.
Did the meereense knot ruin Daeny's dreams of breaking the wheel? After drogon had to rescue her from the pits did she give up on it, and now just gives lip service to it?
Main thing I'm wondering from the preview:
What did Euron look up and see that had him so bewildered?
What did Euron look up and see that had him so bewildered?
The show isn't making Dany out to be the Mad King they are showing her turn into Stannis Barratheon, blind ambition with a succeed by any means necessary mindset. She will win and gain the throne but everyone she loved and cared about will die on her way there.
Jorah, Melisandei, Barrister, Grey Worm, and her dragons will all be dead. Daario would be wise to show up in King's Landing after the battle.
Snow is going to leave her in disgust and head north of the Wall and meet up with Ghost and just wander the Earth like Caine from Kung Fu.
Jorah, Melisandei, Barrister, Grey Worm, and her dragons will all be dead. Daario would be wise to show up in King's Landing after the battle.
Snow is going to leave her in disgust and head north of the Wall and meet up with Ghost and just wander the Earth like Caine from Kung Fu.
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redline248 said:
Things are pretty simple.
Jon and Dany are the show's protagonists. Cersei and Night King are/were the antagonists.
It does amaze me how the show has made so many viewers dislike one of their protagonists, and I don't even think they meant to do it. They kind of suck at this whole storytelling thing.
If Dany is the final winner; rewatching this show will suck. Watching her puddle around Essos for 6 seasons as the final show winner? NO THANKS.
However rewatching Jon Snow's ascension 2-3 more times over the next 15-20 years is definitely worthy.
If HBO wants to maximize the number of people rewatching and re-binging this show for years - Jon sits the Iron Throne in the end.
Maybe it was a helicopterSouthlake said:
Main thing I'm wondering from the preview:
What did Euron look up and see that had him so bewildered?
I don't totally disagree with this, but some of the most iconic scenes from the show are Daenerys, and took place in Essos.Episode IV said:redline248 said:
Things are pretty simple.
Jon and Dany are the show's protagonists. Cersei and Night King are/were the antagonists.
It does amaze me how the show has made so many viewers dislike one of their protagonists, and I don't even think they meant to do it. They kind of suck at this whole storytelling thing.
If Dany is the final winner; rewatching this show will suck. Watching her puddle around Essos for 6 seasons as the final show winner? NO THANKS.
However rewatching Jon Snow's ascension 2-3 more times over the next 15-20 years is definitely worthy.
If HBO wants to maximize the number of people rewatching and re-binging this show for years - Jon sits the Iron Throne in the end.
Man... that scene really kind of takes on a different meaning if you watch Jorah. The first time I saw it I was watching Tyrion so I didn't notice, but Jorah's face definitely isn't a 'oh that's just Drogon' face... (Go to 3:35)
Have we discussed the chances of Gendry sitting on the Iron Throne?
Cersei must dies.
Dany goes Mad Queen and is killed.
Jon doesn't want it. Sansa just wants the North.
Gendry is now the only living heir of Robert Baratheon...
Cersei must dies.
Dany goes Mad Queen and is killed.
Jon doesn't want it. Sansa just wants the North.
Gendry is now the only living heir of Robert Baratheon...
This notion that besieging or attacking medieval castles is done with surgical precision and the peasants just stand around in the courtyard haggling over pig knuckle soup while the soldiers slay each other, and when the dust clears the price of bread briefly goes up because some of the peasants can now move up the economic ladder into recently vacated positions.... LOLbobinator said:I don't see how she has a choice now.CFTXAG10 said:
I am leaning towards her not being able to pull the trigger on killing all the innocent men, women, and children at KL in episode 5.
Even if she's like 'fine, we're not going to attack, we're just going to blockade King's Landing" then those people on the inside would starve to death.
Y'all really think any king in history said to his men, "We must protect the beggars and weavers at all costs, for what is my kingdom worth if I cannot protect flea-bitten hoors and minstrels! They will all be safely ensconced in the royal treasury vaults while we fight and die on the battlements to save the city for The People. To arms, men of the realm! To arrrrrms!"
Southlake said:
Main thing I'm wondering from the preview:
What did Euron look up and see that had him so bewildered?
Assuming Varys betrays Daeny...what is it that he can do in the short term?
Seems like he needs her to take the throne first and then work behind the scenes to have to lords of Westeros support Jon's claim. That's not happening in 2 episodes.
Seems like he needs her to take the throne first and then work behind the scenes to have to lords of Westeros support Jon's claim. That's not happening in 2 episodes.
I always thought it was Drogon flying around, b/c at that time Dany chained the other 2 beneath the pyramid and Drogon basically bolted to do his own thing.combat wombat said:
Have y'all discussed this theory? I've lost the will/ability to keep up with this thread.
Fourth, wild dragon roaming around out there??
Tyrion & Jorah saw a dragon in Valeria. Some folks say it was Drogon and other say it was not.
This image from the show's new intro is the most intriguing, to me.
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