aTmAg said:

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bobinator said:

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You're worried about Arya being the right size after she's dead? Who cares? They'd only need to show her face.

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It would be a plot hole that nobody could get over. If you think Dany flying a dragon across the continent at mach 3 is bad, wait until they show a 6 foot tall man get killed, then the next shot it's a short girl wearing smaller clothing, shoes, etc.

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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Someone brightened up the first wave of the battle and turned the contrast way up.

https://v.redd.it/no5x94f94fv21

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

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MuckRaker96 said:

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I'm so sick of hearing about "Cleganebowl." Would love the producers have the two of them square off and the Mountain cuts the Hound in half in the first 2 seconds.

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So you want the showdown that they have openly teased in the series before to be short and anticlimactic just to spite the fans?

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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aTmAg said:

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bobinator said:

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You're worried about Arya being the right size after she's dead? Who cares? They'd only need to show her face.

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It would be a plot hole that nobody could get over. If you think Dany flying a dragon across the continent at mach 3 is bad, wait until they show a 6 foot tall man get killed, then the next shot it's a short girl wearing smaller clothing, shoes, etc.

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you apparently don't get how illusions work. I think it has always been more than just their face.

They transform at least from the viewers perception of them. So the body clothes, etc. DON'T change, but the appearance of the body clothes etc changes to the observers.


And for that matter if people are going to be upset by that - wouldn't they already? it's happened many times already.

We saw the Waif turn into Jaqen in S5 and it was immediate her change in size and appearance (to us and Arya).

Look at the Freys killing using Walder Frey. She stands up and gives a speech as Walder and is much taller than the girl servant. Arya is probably the same height as her.

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aTmAg said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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aTmAg said:

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bobinator said:

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You're worried about Arya being the right size after she's dead? Who cares? They'd only need to show her face.

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It would be a plot hole that nobody could get over. If you think Dany flying a dragon across the continent at mach 3 is bad, wait until they show a 6 foot tall man get killed, then the next shot it's a short girl wearing smaller clothing, shoes, etc.

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you apparently don't get how illusions work. I think it has always been more than just their face.

They transform at least from the viewers perception of them. So the body clothes, etc. DON'T change, but the appearance of the body clothes etc changes to the observers.


And for that matter if people are going to be upset by that - wouldn't they already? it's happened many times already.

We saw the Waif turn into Jaqen in S5 and it was immediate her change in size and appearance (to us and Arya).

Look at the Freys killing using Walder Frey. She stands up and gives a speech as Walder and is much taller than the girl servant. Arya is probably the same height as her.

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Watch the scene after she pulls off the mask. They show her exactly as tall as "Frey" was prior to pulling off the mask:

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Furlock Bones said:

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did they show Arya alive after she killed the NK? i don't remember. could she still be dead or dying since he touched her? they gave her the NK king kill, but the way it feels now is that she could kill Cersei with ease.

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bobinator said:

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aTmAg said:

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bobinator said:

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You're worried about Arya being the right size after she's dead? Who cares? They'd only need to show her face.

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It would be a plot hole that nobody could get over. If you think Dany flying a dragon across the continent at mach 3 is bad, wait until they show a 6 foot tall man get killed, then the next shot it's a short girl wearing smaller clothing, shoes, etc.

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As someone who has criticized this show for kind of fudging the details at times, this is something that I don't think anyone but a handful of sticklers out there would even notice/care about, but even more than that, it's not something they'd have to show on screen. The mountain grabs a guy by the throat, squeezed the life out of them, they die, they (Qyburn? Cersei?) notice something weird about the face, pull it off close up, it's Arya, dramatic music, mountain lets go of her, full screen shot of Arya's dead face. End scene.

I don't think that's going to happen, I'm just saying it could happen and it wouldn't be a big deal.

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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aTmAg said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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aTmAg said:

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bobinator said:

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You're worried about Arya being the right size after she's dead? Who cares? They'd only need to show her face.

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It would be a plot hole that nobody could get over. If you think Dany flying a dragon across the continent at mach 3 is bad, wait until they show a 6 foot tall man get killed, then the next shot it's a short girl wearing smaller clothing, shoes, etc.

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you apparently don't get how illusions work. I think it has always been more than just their face.

They transform at least from the viewers perception of them. So the body clothes, etc. DON'T change, but the appearance of the body clothes etc changes to the observers.


And for that matter if people are going to be upset by that - wouldn't they already? it's happened many times already.

We saw the Waif turn into Jaqen in S5 and it was immediate her change in size and appearance (to us and Arya).

Look at the Freys killing using Walder Frey. She stands up and gives a speech as Walder and is much taller than the girl servant. Arya is probably the same height as her.

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Watch the scene after she pulls off the mask. They show her exactly as tall as "Frey" was prior to pulling off the mask:

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Yes.... but if you keep watching that as she turns and walks away she appears to step down. I think she was on a stool. and that long shot shows her taller but the closeup before walking away she is looking at her eye to eye - the same height.

the whole thing is kinda messed up but - that's production stuff imho.

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bobinator said:

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I don't know... it wouldn't have made any sense for the army of the dead to attack in the day time. I think this battle had to be at night.

Effectively the Night King has a few million (or whatever) soulless zombies he can throw at Winterfell, they don't have feelings or anything, and his plan is just to overwhelm their defenses anyway, so the more chaos you can create the better off you're going to be. So not only does he attack at night, he also creates a blizzard so that basically nobody can see anything and it's madness.

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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bobinator said:

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I don't know... it wouldn't have made any sense for the army of the dead to attack in the day time. I think this battle had to be at night.

Effectively the Night King has a few million (or whatever) soulless zombies he can throw at Winterfell, they don't have feelings or anything, and his plan is just to overwhelm their defenses anyway, so the more chaos you can create the better off you're going to be. So not only does he attack at night, he also creates a blizzard so that basically nobody can see anything and it's madness.

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yeah i get all of that. but would have been better in light. for us.

and as for whether it makes sense - Hardhome was in daylight.

i think the timing of this was just when they got there.... because of the speed of them walking. Tormund and them raced ahead and said they would be there before dawn. Well they didn't have to be. It was a production choice and it made it worse for the viewer.

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aTmAg said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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bobinator said:

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I don't know... it wouldn't have made any sense for the army of the dead to attack in the day time. I think this battle had to be at night.

Effectively the Night King has a few million (or whatever) soulless zombies he can throw at Winterfell, they don't have feelings or anything, and his plan is just to overwhelm their defenses anyway, so the more chaos you can create the better off you're going to be. So not only does he attack at night, he also creates a blizzard so that basically nobody can see anything and it's madness.

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yeah i get all of that. but would have been better in light. for us.

and as for whether it makes sense - Hardhome was in daylight.

i think the timing of this was just when they got there.... because of the speed of them walking. Tormund and them raced ahead and said they would be there before dawn. Well they didn't have to be. It was a production choice and it made it worse for the viewer.

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I think it being at night was fine. Just make it brighter for us. Say it was a full moon or whatever. These videos that people have brightened look fine. I don't know why they didn't just do that.

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Topping the previous record of the Season 8 "Winterfell" opener of April 14, "The Long Night" snagged 17.8 million viewers over all platforms and with two linear airings. That bested the "Winterfell" episode by 3% in gross audience a win is still a win not matter how close.

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