Zombie Jon Snow said:

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M.C. Swag said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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aTmAg said:

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Zombie Jon Snow said:

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No I'm saying Rocky also lost fights later. You seemed to imply he only lost in Rocky I.

Thought that was clear. I literally said they were not good movies either.

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Maybe I should pick a Van Damm (sp?) movie? The bad guy is bad, good guy is good, the entire movie is building up to a boss fight at the end. Van Damm gets his ass kicked a bit, wiped the blood off his chin, finds some new determination and wins in the end (and gets the girl).

I'm glad GoT didn't go there.

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yeah I'm not arguing for that in GOT. I liked the ending ok...... personally I would have had 1 of 3 things though:

1. Arya in the tree and not able to fly. just drops on him.
2. faceless Arya replaces Bran in the chair - stands up (ohhhhh moment) and then knife's him. then reveals she is Arya and Bran is on the ground behind the tree (so NK still sensed him).
3. Jon leads the way in fighting the other WW kills a few but ultimately fails, falling to his knees in a semicircle of WW protecting the NK and while slumped over ninja Arya sweeps in while they are focused on Jon and leaps off his back and then does what she did.

but whatever. i just didn't like her ability to a. get past the other WW unscathed and b. leap 8 feet in the air.

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You can't steal the face of someone who isn't dead

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That's not necessarily true. We don't know. We saw something like that in the temple with Jaqen.

But even so... arya could look enough like Bran. Just put a hoodie on and look all somber and ***** Hell she could sit on his lap with her hoodie cape draped over him. lol

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ATM1876 said:

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Her advisors talked her out of using the dragons within the walls of King's Landing last season because of the amount of civilian casualties that would entail. If she still aspires to be a different type of ruler that the people rally around she won't do that. If she's changed her mind that could be the final straw that causes the Starks to turn on her.

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gigemJTH12 said:

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Sounds weird to say, but the one most disappointing way for Cersei to die would be Arya. Especially with a new face.

Arya already got the NK. And already killed Walder Frey with a face.

If she kills Cersei this show has gone even more so, way too arya heavy.

It has to be a different killer this time.

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gigemJTH12 said:

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I also think everyone is getting a little ahead of themselves assuming the North "wins" and Cersei gets killed.

Both seem likely but this show doesn't do likely that often.

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gigemJTH12 said:

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Sounds weird to say, but the one most disappointing way for Cersei to die would be Arya. Especially with a new face.

Arya already got the NK. And already killed Walder Frey with a face.

If she kills Cersei this show has gone even more so, way too arya heavy.

It has to be a different killer this time.

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M.C. Swag said:

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To further delve into a common 'complaint' about character deaths (or lackthereof)....**TL;DR warning**

I love this show, and taking the show for what it is, leaving all book plots aside this episode still fell so flat for me. The reason game of thrones is good is because very early on it established and then abided by, a very consistent rule set:

Actions have consequence. No one is coming to save you.

Let's look at a parallel between season one and season eight.

• Season one: Ned Stark. Stabbed in the leg, limps and walks with a cane for the remainder of his life. He is then betrayed, surrounded by his enemies and executed. As show watchers and book readers we waited for someone to save him. He has to survive, he is the hero, the good man, the main character. We were taught then that that doesn't matter. You die if you are surrounded by your enemies. Your injuries last. Dues ex machina does not exist.
• Season eight: Sam is consistently being shown overwhelmed with zombies clawing at his quivering body. Greyworm, Brienne, Pod, Jamie, etc. are all literally on the front line facing this waterfall of zombie death. These enemies were established in earlier seasons as absolutely terrifying. A single wight almost kills Jon and Jeor Mormont, and Jon almost loses the use of his hand to kill it. And each of these characters are surrounded by thousands of them.

I could go beat by beat through the main characters and every single one of them should have died several times tonight.

I'm not saying I want them all to die or that they should have story wise, but don't put them in that position if you aren't willing to follow through with it. <-Please re-read this

Game of thrones is supposed to have consequences for your actions. You can't establish rules and throw it all out the window. Even granting plot armor to the main characters (which I understand is necessary at times), where's the suspense for Brienne and Jamie being backed against a wall full of wights when the show is afraid to kill a Tormund or a Greyworm? Where's the suspense for Sansa and Tyrion with wights running loose in the crypts when they won't even kill a Gilly or a Varys?

This episode had amazing visuals. Amazing music. An amazing set. Yet the storytelling left alot to be desired.
The show has slowly turned into the antithesis of itself. It has become the storybook it tried so hard to subvert.

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aTmAg said:

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I don't think anybody is arguing that enough good guys died. At least from what I can tell.

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Change Detection said:

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So a question regarding the poor viewer experience. When streaming video, is resolution lost to save bandwidth?
In the audio word, a MP3 file sounds worse than a WAV file, frequencies are lost in compression. I have to believe that compression schemes in video streaming have to effect the signal and is not loss-less. If so, the streaming video experience is going to be poorer than cable/DirecTV, etc.

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Beezy2389 said:

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No but a Sansa married to Tyrion might.

Probably a coincidence but the main "Game of Thrones" banner during the title sequence has a wolf, a stag, a lion, and a dragon on it.

Jon marries Dany = Wolf + Dragon
Sansa marries Tyrion = Wolf + Lion
Arya marries Gendry = Wolf + Stag

House Stark could marry into and rule with the other main houses. Which ironically isn't "breaking the wheel" at all.

I know it seems like a mega-happy ending but come on, they just spared numerous expendable characters and made Arya the prince that was promised all for fan-service.

My other favorite theory is Tyrion gives Bronn the Twins since Tyrion keeps saying "whatever they are offering you, I'll double it"

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M.C. Swag said:

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aTmAg said:

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I don't think anybody is arguing that enough good guys died. At least from what I can tell.

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lol serious? it's been mentioned dozens of times

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aTmAg said:

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JJxvi said:

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gigemJTH12 said:

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Sounds weird to say, but the one most disappointing way for Cersei to die would be Arya. Especially with a new face.

Arya already got the NK. And already killed Walder Frey with a face.

If she kills Cersei this show has gone even more so, way too arya heavy.

It has to be a different killer this time.

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Arya clearly should have died for there to be any reasonable continuing conflict, but Im sure all the characters will conveniently forget shes capable of doing this and never try.

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Assuming that Arya can only grab the faces of dead people (argument on that has already taken place), killing Cersie would not be very easy. The Mountain is always with her (and is probably practically impossible for her to kill). And I assume the word is out by now that Arya can do this (after she outed herself to the Frey woman). Cersie is not going to let anybody she doesn't know within a 100 feet of her.

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aTmAg said:

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M.C. Swag said:

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aTmAg said:

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I don't think anybody is arguing that enough good guys died. At least from what I can tell.

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lol serious? it's been mentioned dozens of times

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Who said that? I think I've read every post since it aired, and I can't think of anybody saying that.

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Teddy Perkins said:

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M.C. Swag said:

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To further delve into a common 'complaint' about character deaths (or lackthereof)....**TL;DR warning**

I love this show, and taking the show for what it is, leaving all book plots aside this episode still fell so flat for me. The reason game of thrones is good is because very early on it established and then abided by, a very consistent rule set:

Actions have consequence. No one is coming to save you.

Let's look at a parallel between season one and season eight.

• Season one: Ned Stark. Stabbed in the leg, limps and walks with a cane for the remainder of his life. He is then betrayed, surrounded by his enemies and executed. As show watchers and book readers we waited for someone to save him. He has to survive, he is the hero, the good man, the main character. We were taught then that that doesn't matter. You die if you are surrounded by your enemies. Your injuries last. Dues ex machina does not exist.
• Season eight: Sam is consistently being shown overwhelmed with zombies clawing at his quivering body. Greyworm, Brienne, Pod, Jamie, etc. are all literally on the front line facing this waterfall of zombie death. These enemies were established in earlier seasons as absolutely terrifying. A single wight almost kills Jon and Jeor Mormont, and Jon almost loses the use of his hand to kill it. And each of these characters are surrounded by thousands of them.

I could go beat by beat through the main characters and every single one of them should have died several times tonight.

I'm not saying I want them all to die or that they should have story wise, but don't put them in that position if you aren't willing to follow through with it. <-Please re-read this

Game of thrones is supposed to have consequences for your actions. You can't establish rules and throw it all out the window. Even granting plot armor to the main characters (which I understand is necessary at times), where's the suspense for Brienne and Jamie being backed against a wall full of wights when the show is afraid to kill a Tormund or a Greyworm? Where's the suspense for Sansa and Tyrion with wights running loose in the crypts when they won't even kill a Gilly or a Varys?

This episode had amazing visuals. Amazing music. An amazing set. Yet the storytelling left alot to be desired.
The show has slowly turned into the antithesis of itself. It has become the storybook it tried so hard to subvert.

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aTmAg said:

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JJxvi said:

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gigemJTH12 said:

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Sounds weird to say, but the one most disappointing way for Cersei to die would be Arya. Especially with a new face.

Arya already got the NK. And already killed Walder Frey with a face.

If she kills Cersei this show has gone even more so, way too arya heavy.

It has to be a different killer this time.

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Arya clearly should have died for there to be any reasonable continuing conflict, but Im sure all the characters will conveniently forget shes capable of doing this and never try.

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Assuming that Arya can only grab the faces of dead people (argument on that has already taken place), killing Cersie would not be very easy. The Mountain is always with her (and is probably practically impossible for her to kill). And I assume the word is out by now that Arya can do this (after she outed herself to the Frey woman). Cersie is not going to let anybody she doesn't know within a 100 feet of her.

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