bangobango said:

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gigemJTH12 said:

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M.C. Swag said:

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gigemJTH12 said:

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I'm glad the Night king and wights are all dead.

They were only like 10% of this show.

The show was about the characters who are left, and their quest r the throne. It's ending how it should.

Turns on the Night Kong's whole purpose to the plot was to just be a thorn in Dany's side bc without that battle she wins the throne way too easily.

Now it's at least even vs the golden company + Greyjoy.

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Man, I can't disagree more. The night king/white walkers/army of the dead represented Winter incarnate. The battle for the light/summer/life was the opposing force. This story was about that conflict. The opening scene to the ENTIRE series was setting up the white walkers.

And the NK...just died. Now we're supposed to believe Cersei is the true villain to this epic tale? That Jon was resurrected to help dany sit on the iron throne? I...I'll post my detailed thoughts later but I can't think of a more disappointing plot arc.

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I see both sides. And I appreciated the mystique of him and his army.

But my favorite things about this show all happened in westeros. And it ending that way is fitting.

Curious, did you want the NK to win? What would you have rather happened?

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Have night King battle after dealing with Cersi? Have night King battle and cersie battle at same time? Have night King survive this battle to reemerge later?

Lots of ways they could've gone.

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Multiple people have chimed in and if you don't agree then you don't agree - there was going to be no humans + WWs surviving this battle. Not when the NK can just raise the dead. The humans had to kill the NK to leave Winterfell otherwise it would just be the Walking Dead Game of Thrones version coming towards Cersei in KL.

And with how easily overwhelmed the humans were with the dead army, how could they have realistically fought both battles at once?

I agree they could have dealt with Cersei first, but then Cersei wouldn't have the opportunity to betray them, we wouldn't see Jaime finally go against his sister's wishes and progress as a character, and you likely decimate some of your forces BEFORE the big war against the dead, thus likely losing that one and having the NK win it all.

While the NK winning it all was always a possibility in my mind, that's not how it played out. I don't see how the way it played out was any less believable/desirable/logical for anyone that didn't already have their heart set on a random theory.

Edit: and finally, while the book is A Song of Ice and Fire, the show is Game of Thrones. This was always going to be about the throne.

gigemJTH12 said:

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Was the Sansa and Tyrion thing like an in-love thing? Or just a love each other like family thing? I couldn't really tell.

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IDK, but this is the second week in a row that Sansa has looked at a man and a bunch of people think she is in love with them. Might be just how intense she is now.

BowSowy said:

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Ranger222 said:

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BigTimeAlum said:

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Ok, I've processed. This was a disaster. I mean it was OK, but given the build, what a fricken let down. You've been building a story for years. Pay it the hell off. Kudos to the Russo's for End Game. This was bad.

The dragons.... meaningless. Jon R+L=J, meaningless. Pay off Ghost and the dire wolves who were threaded in the story since episode 1... Give Ghost a late come back with a howl and Nimeria charging in with all the wolves of Westoros. The internet would have melted.

Dothraki crossing the narrow sea? Meaningless. Aria??! She could have killed the NK 5 ways better. At least let some of the main characters run through the whites and actually fight White Walkers. Not one single WW fight? Horrible.

The Song of Ice and Fire is a Cerci Lannister story. Boo.....

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Think this sums up my feelings. The first scene of this show opens north of the wall and you're made known about the threat of death and the coming Winter. Expected something deeper I guess for that resolution. What is Fire and Ice really then?

They just defeated the biggest threat to the living, now let's go fight another human war to end it?

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I don't understand what more y'all couldve possibly wanted. The army of the dead built tension for years, defeated the humans at every stop until winterfell, and finally faced off with a huge human army in a huge battle....what more did you want?

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Goes back to the last line. The Army of the Dead is supposed to be the largest army ever assembled in the realm. The living just arguably won the greatest battle in their history. If you're still living, you just overcame the greatest odds to survive.

Now we are just going to take a week, lick our wounds, have one feast and be like -- "hey guys, let's go get Cersei now!" I wouldn't give a **** about King's Landing or Cersei if I survived. Why would anyone in the north now care about what is going on in the south unless the Golden Company was marching their way? Get on a damn boat to Essos, leave this **** behind and be thankful you're still alive and live a good life. If I were still living after last night, that would be the last fighting I ever do.

I thought that the battle for life and to end the Long Night would put the quarrels of men into perspective for some of these characters. Maybe there will be conflict upcoming on who will still commit to Dany's cause for the fight for the throne. Just don't see how we are just supposed to band back together after all the fighting these characters have been through for one last fight that means less then what they just went through.

Just seemed like last night's episode was a box check for the writers that lost significance. If this had been episode 5 and really the finale of the series, I wouldn't be feeling this way and honestly satisfied. Just feel like we got our priorities mixed up. The NK, in my eyes, should be the final boss. For all the evil that she has done throughout the series, Cersei still doesn't compare. Final three episodes feel more like a side mission now than a main quest.

Thoughts on what happens going forward:

I would be disappointed if Varys doesn't play some role going forward. For the entirety of the show, he has been plotting to help Dany, even from KL. He might get the Golden Company to flip on Cersei.

Cersei ****ed up by paying off her entire debt because now the Iron Bank has no interest in her winning the war. So, I think that will be a factor as well.

It's all about gathering support from the remaining Seven Kingdoms, and I think Varys and the Iron Bank will be major factors.

Which large armies are still left in play? Dorne?

I think once George RR was done writing Varys, B&B have absolutely no idea what to do with him.

I'm torn, I get that the NK and White Walkers are the "final boss" in the sense of the toughest challenge.

But they also were a very very very small portion of the actual screen time this show had.

7 seasons of the best show of all time and they had maybe an hour and a half total screen time?? I'm sure it's really close to that. Other than Hardhome they were only showed in very small spurts.

So with that being said, the battle against them not being the final battle, and it being against the shows most frequent villlain, Cersei, also makes a whole lot of sense.

I was actually glad it was Arya. Put all the time spent training and developing her to use.

But Brienne, Grey Worm, etc. all needed to kick the bucket in this one. Not to go all bloodlust, but I feel a bit robbed given the buildup.

I'm hoping there's some darkness ahead with Cersei. Brienne's main use at this point is to be killed by Cersei (via the Mountain) - finish off Jamie's turn against Cersei. Hound kills Mountain (they both die). Jamie kills cersei

gigemJTH12 said:

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I'm torn, I get that the NK and White Walkers are the "final boss" in the sense of the toughest challenge.

But they also were a very very very small portion of the actual screen time this show had.

7 seasons of the best show of all time and they had maybe an hour and a half total screen time?? I'm sure it's really close to that. Other than Hardhome they were only showed in very small spurts.

So with that being said, the battle against them not being the final battle, and it being against the shows most frequent villlain, Cersei, also makes a whole lot of sense.

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Jon's entire arc is dealing with the WW. It's like half the show most weeks.

I will say - I'm a little disappointed we didn't have a bigger fan favorite than Jorah/Theon die. I thought Brienne was toast. Her arc felt complete. But maybe there's one or two more things she has to do. I also am surprised they kept both Gilly and Missandei (sp) alive...to me there should have been some heartache with one or both of them dying.

The Hound, Jaime, Sansa, Dany, Jon, Tyrion all had to stay alive because there is still more for them to accomplish. Unless the NK was going to win it all. I'm also not too surprised Gendry is still alive, but I wouldn't have been shocked if he died either.

I could have seen Arya and Varys dying yesterday as well, but again, there may be more for them to do. Arya obviously had to kill the NK, but not sure if they will have more for her or not. I could see her kicking the bucket before the end.

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The Dog Lord said:

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Grits said:

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Bran Stark: "You're a good man Theon".

Theon: "allright chums, let's do this, LLLEEERROOOYYYYYYYYYY JJJEEENNNKKKIIINNNSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone else: wtf is he doing?!


His survival odds were << %32.33...

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Haha yeah even that was a bit wtf. I figured he would wait for the NK to approach and try to make his last stand.

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I thought it was completely in character for the redeemed Theon to charge to his death at the hands of the NK. The dude with no balls ended up having some pretty damn big ones once he was forgiven and accepted back into the Stark family.

gougler08 said:

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Did whichever dragon that was getting molested by wights die? Or does Dany still have both?

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I thought that was the one that showed up and was watching over her at the end when Jorah died.

gougler08 said:

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Did whichever dragon that was getting molested by wights die? Or does Dany still have both?

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previews showed both.

Trident 88 said:

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The Dog Lord said:

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Grits said:

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Bran Stark: "You're a good man Theon".

Theon: "allright chums, let's do this, LLLEEERROOOYYYYYYYYYY JJJEEENNNKKKIIINNNSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!

Everyone else: wtf is he doing?!


His survival odds were << %32.33...

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Haha yeah even that was a bit wtf. I figured he would wait for the NK to approach and try to make his last stand.

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I thought it was completely in character for the redeemed Theon to charge to his death at the hands of the NK. The dude with no balls ended up having some pretty damn big ones once he was forgiven and accepted back into the Stark family.

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He knew he was a dead man already. Might as well go out in a blaze of glory.

Furlock Bones said:

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Ranger #007 said:

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gougler08 said:

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Did whichever dragon that was getting molested by wights die? Or does Dany still have both?

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I thought that was the one that showed up and was watching over her at the end when Jorah died.

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same.

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All dragons look the same to me. </dragonist>

El Chupacabra said:

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Jon takes the throne with Sansa as his bride.

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