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I always enjoyed the Melisandre/Beric/Lord of Light material and it was cool to see how their stories ended. The Lord of Light delivered
Seems like horrible tactical strategy for the WWs to engage anyone when they have a huge army of undead
Sit back and let the army do the work and go take care of bran
Also their use of the dragon as cover fire at winterfell while they did other stuff was solid.
Sit back and let the army do the work and go take care of bran
Also their use of the dragon as cover fire at winterfell while they did other stuff was solid.
AustinAg2K said:
I was really disappointed. There were good moments, but too many obvious issues.
Dany and Jon were pretty much worthless on their dragons. The dead were lined up in rows for easy pickings.
Also, I don't understand why sometimes dragon glass just kills the dead, and other times it turns them to dust. It very clearly turned the giant to dust. Why didn't it do that to all the other dead who just raised up later?
Seriously, Tyrion didn't have a plan for when the dead come alive in the crypts? It was painfully obvious that was going to happen. No one bothered to give anyone down there a dragon glass weapon (except one dagger). I feel like the writers thought they were being clever by waking up the dead, but pretty much everyone who watches the show saw it coming.
Not a single battle between a White Walker and someone with Valaryian Steel? Really? What was the point of making sure all the best fighters had VS weapon?
Biggest complaint though is Arya killing the Night King. For eight seasons they've been building up to a Jon vs. Night King fight that never happens. Arya has never been involved in the White Walker story line. For eight years, she has only cared about getting revenge on those who wronged her family. The writers obviously felt like they had to put in a twist, but it makes no sense. It would have been much better to have an epic battle between Jon and the Night King (I would have liked to see them fight in a ring of dragon fire as Dany burns everything around them to keep the dead/other WW from joining). Then if you want to give Arya a big kill, give her Cercei. That's who she cares most about killing. I find it hard to believe GRRM is planning for Arya to take down the Night King.
This one felt like typical Hollywood writing. There were some great scenes, but no really unexpected deaths. In fact, I'm not sure I would consider any death to be a major loss.
-If the Night King didn't bring the fog, the episode would have actually been worthless. He knew they had two dragons and he did something that made them hopeless. They couldn't see ***** Had they been able to see, they would have just burned everything and the episode would have just needed to be 20 min long. Jon went in to burn the walkers and the fog rolled in. The NK took away Jon and Dany's best weapon(s).
-The dead that we're raised up later were the living from before. He didn't raise up dead wights, he raised up Jon and Dany's army.
Y'all are seriously just all mad that it didn't happen the way y'all wanted it to. The directors talked about how they've known it was going to be Arya for 3 years and intentionally tried to make us forget about her in the battle. It worked on me because when she came flying in my wife and both had a holy **** moment.
i imagine a bunch of suits said no way can we kill fan favorite... and it was so.DSAg44 said:hollywood taking overVernada said:Quote:
And then at the end of it all, like a million redshirts died while most of the main characters proved impossible to kill. Very different from what was typical in both the source material and earlier seasons on that.
Very much this.
C+ is the best I can give this and that's a stretch.
The Good:
Most everything before The Wights broke thru was good to awesome. The Crypt scenes, I was not a fan of the concept of them coming back and killing many in the crypt I thought it too obvious and cheap especially with all the references last week. In the end no-one(we know) died. It could have been slightly better if they just started coming out of the tombs and then dropped just before killing folks.
The Bad: Dark shots, with all the fire we should have seen better. Music score, slow motion (worked in battle of the Badtards) seemed pointless here and score mafe it worse. CGI sucked, the Dragons, The storm, etc all seemed on a much lower budget, hence the herky jerky editing and darkness trying to cover it up. Snow wasted again. Aryia's library scene way too long and seemed like filler. The battle after they broke thru the trenches was too long and pretty boring. Obviously trying to set up the uter hopelessness of the situation but we all knew it was hopeless. None of our favorites died, especially thought Briene was done, and surprised by Jorah as I assumed his story arch wad to see Dany die.
The ugly:
Huge story arch problems.
7 years for Winter is Coming, NK, Army of the dead and it's all over in one episode? -Major Fail. Now it's just back to killing Cersei....
John, Dany, Tyrion and Jamie the 4 most important characters are all now completely impotent, wasted story archs. None played much of a roll at all in the BOW and now I'm supposed to still care about them? Sansa and Arya are the only important people left (sans Cersei) . Ayra was great as a major player sidekick, now she is the most important person in the entire story. That's over kicking the coverag....
Could have been, should have been so much better.
HBO paid way too much to produce such a big "eh it was OK" episode. Just my honest opinion...Flame away.
Oh I forgot to add what the hell is the point of Bran's character?
The Good:
Most everything before The Wights broke thru was good to awesome. The Crypt scenes, I was not a fan of the concept of them coming back and killing many in the crypt I thought it too obvious and cheap especially with all the references last week. In the end no-one(we know) died. It could have been slightly better if they just started coming out of the tombs and then dropped just before killing folks.
The Bad: Dark shots, with all the fire we should have seen better. Music score, slow motion (worked in battle of the Badtards) seemed pointless here and score mafe it worse. CGI sucked, the Dragons, The storm, etc all seemed on a much lower budget, hence the herky jerky editing and darkness trying to cover it up. Snow wasted again. Aryia's library scene way too long and seemed like filler. The battle after they broke thru the trenches was too long and pretty boring. Obviously trying to set up the uter hopelessness of the situation but we all knew it was hopeless. None of our favorites died, especially thought Briene was done, and surprised by Jorah as I assumed his story arch wad to see Dany die.
The ugly:
Huge story arch problems.
7 years for Winter is Coming, NK, Army of the dead and it's all over in one episode? -Major Fail. Now it's just back to killing Cersei....
John, Dany, Tyrion and Jamie the 4 most important characters are all now completely impotent, wasted story archs. None played much of a roll at all in the BOW and now I'm supposed to still care about them? Sansa and Arya are the only important people left (sans Cersei) . Ayra was great as a major player sidekick, now she is the most important person in the entire story. That's over kicking the coverag....
Could have been, should have been so much better.
HBO paid way too much to produce such a big "eh it was OK" episode. Just my honest opinion...Flame away.
Oh I forgot to add what the hell is the point of Bran's character?
"Fort Worth where the West begins...and Dallas is where the East peters out!"
This needed to not be the final battle, I am not sure how they will fill the plot hole that 1) they have dragons, and can just lay waste to any army that shows up to fight them regardless of how amazing Bronn can aim a scorpion and 2) they have a faceless assassin that can just pop into the castle to kill Cersei Lannister at any time now. Arya surviving is actually baffling to me in terms of how they can make the rest of this interesting. I guess everyone (including herself) is just going to forget that she's the type who can just show up and kill the followers of an entire house in one swoop along with the writers? The idea that any battle for the throne (except maybe between Jon and Dany) is like still going on is ludicrous. But then again, these are the same people who created a battle strategy where they sent their cavalry into battle with an unseen force even knowing that if they were all killed they would all become soldiers for the enemy.
The Night King was clearly on his way to being the smartest and best general of the entire series. RIght up to the point where he decided to be the hero himself, and get killed and lose his entire war in the dumbest way possible.
wangus12 said:More like Black Widow. Jon & Dany would be Cap & Iron Man no?Brian Earl Spilner said:Captain Marvel showed up one movie ago. Arya was in Season 1, Episode 1.C@LAg said:
Imagine if in the timespan of building Thanos up for ten years.
Captain Marvel just teleports behind the army and stabs him in the back and saves the day and everyone lives and smiles and happy.
More like Iron Man.
If Black Widow could kick both Cap and Iron Man's ass in about 30 seconds then, yes, that's fair.
Anyone think something might happen to Arya now that she was touched by the NK?
M.C. Swag said:gigemJTH12 said:
I'm glad the Night king and wights are all dead.
They were only like 10% of this show.
The show was about the characters who are left, and their quest r the throne. It's ending how it should.
Turns on the Night Kong's whole purpose to the plot was to just be a thorn in Dany's side bc without that battle she wins the throne way too easily.
Now it's at least even vs the golden company + Greyjoy.
Man, I can't disagree more. The night king/white walkers/army of the dead represented Winter incarnate. The battle for the light/summer/life was the opposing force. This story was about that conflict. The opening scene to the ENTIRE series was setting up the white walkers.
And the NK...just died. Now we're supposed to believe Cersei is the true villain to this epic tale? That Jon was resurrected to help dany sit on the iron throne? I...I'll post my detailed thoughts later but I can't think of a more disappointing plot arc.
I see both sides. And I appreciated the mystique of him and his army.
But my favorite things about this show all happened in westeros. And it ending that way is fitting.
Curious, did you want the NK to win? What would you have rather happened?
think you nailed it. i had almost forgotten about how poor the CGI was at times.
Arya killing thw NK was kind of an "I am no man" moment.
CypressAg09 said:That would be cool too! Maybe he'll push her out a window!tylercsbn9 said:CypressAg09 said:
I didn't really have a problem with Arya killing the NK, I had a problem with her being able to run through a ton of wights and white walkers and sneak up on him though. Like not one of them would be "hey bro, heads up, small girl with knife heading your way"
But I do wish it had gone the way you said. Arya's kill should've been Cersei, Jon should have fought the NK
I personally would prefer Jamie to kill Cersie.
Hoping for that payoff
Nah, it will be Gilly, and it will be "best thang ever" because it's soooo unexpected.
I think the episode suffered a bit between the "endless horde" that rushes in and consumes all versus the "empty horde" that runs at main characters one at a time to be cut down easily.
At the beginning, wave after wave of dead slam against each of the human forces, showing endless bodies that are willing to all attack the same spot at the same time. But then, particularly after the night king raises the dead again (so even more dead than before), you have several shots of main characters getting the chance of fighting one on one (with wights essentially just waiting in line to be cut down). Plot armor and such; the wights behave completely differently between fighting a named character versus a random Joe.
As an aside, I don't think the books will handle this arc any different than the show, in terms of whether cersei is dealt with prior to the battle with the dead or after, as some have speculated. I think this is a big enough plot point that GRRM had to have told them that the dead fall before cersei is dealt with.
At the beginning, wave after wave of dead slam against each of the human forces, showing endless bodies that are willing to all attack the same spot at the same time. But then, particularly after the night king raises the dead again (so even more dead than before), you have several shots of main characters getting the chance of fighting one on one (with wights essentially just waiting in line to be cut down). Plot armor and such; the wights behave completely differently between fighting a named character versus a random Joe.
As an aside, I don't think the books will handle this arc any different than the show, in terms of whether cersei is dealt with prior to the battle with the dead or after, as some have speculated. I think this is a big enough plot point that GRRM had to have told them that the dead fall before cersei is dealt with.
gigemJTH12 said:M.C. Swag said:gigemJTH12 said:
I'm glad the Night king and wights are all dead.
They were only like 10% of this show.
The show was about the characters who are left, and their quest r the throne. It's ending how it should.
Turns on the Night Kong's whole purpose to the plot was to just be a thorn in Dany's side bc without that battle she wins the throne way too easily.
Now it's at least even vs the golden company + Greyjoy.
Man, I can't disagree more. The night king/white walkers/army of the dead represented Winter incarnate. The battle for the light/summer/life was the opposing force. This story was about that conflict. The opening scene to the ENTIRE series was setting up the white walkers.
And the NK...just died. Now we're supposed to believe Cersei is the true villain to this epic tale? That Jon was resurrected to help dany sit on the iron throne? I...I'll post my detailed thoughts later but I can't think of a more disappointing plot arc.
I see both sides. And I appreciated the mystique of him and his army.
But my favorite things about this show all happened in westeros. And it ending that way is fitting.
Curious, did you want the NK to win? What would you have rather happened?
Have night King battle after dealing with Cersi? Have night King battle and cersie battle at same time? Have night King survive this battle to reemerge later?
Lots of ways they could've gone.
gigemJTH12 said:M.C. Swag said:gigemJTH12 said:
I'm glad the Night king and wights are all dead.
They were only like 10% of this show.
The show was about the characters who are left, and their quest r the throne. It's ending how it should.
Turns on the Night Kong's whole purpose to the plot was to just be a thorn in Dany's side bc without that battle she wins the throne way too easily.
Now it's at least even vs the golden company + Greyjoy.
Man, I can't disagree more. The night king/white walkers/army of the dead represented Winter incarnate. The battle for the light/summer/life was the opposing force. This story was about that conflict. The opening scene to the ENTIRE series was setting up the white walkers.
And the NK...just died. Now we're supposed to believe Cersei is the true villain to this epic tale? That Jon was resurrected to help dany sit on the iron throne? I...I'll post my detailed thoughts later but I can't think of a more disappointing plot arc.
I see both sides. And I appreciated the mystique of him and his army.
But my favorite things about this show all happened in westeros. And it ending that way is fitting.
Curious, did you want the NK to win? What would you have rather happened?
I wasn't cheering for a specific outcome but there is definitely a scenario where the NK wins that I would have found much more satisfying. That's not to say that's the best outcome (or my preferred) but I can't say it wouldn't be worse than what just happened...which felt cheap, shallow and rushed.
Dead man riding dragon raises people from the dead;
everyone: that's normal.
Trained assassin sneaks by body guards;
everyone: GASP yeah right that's impossible.
everyone: that's normal.
Trained assassin sneaks by body guards;
everyone: GASP yeah right that's impossible.
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Anyone else notice that Arya beat the NK using a move similar to how she bested Brienne?
Dagger hand pinned -> drop the dagger into the other hand.
"Who taught you how to do that?"
she snuck up on Jon in the same spot, but let's ignore thatBrown County Ag said:
Dead man riding dragon raises people from the dead;
everyone: that's normal.
Trained assassin sneaks by body guards;
everyone: GASP yeah right that's impossible.
There's a difference between sneaking up on a guy standing by himself and sneaking through a group of wights and white walkers staring at the thing you're trying to sneak up on. I'm done complaining about this part tho. I'm just going to accept it as canon that she was hiding in a tree or something.Icecream_Ag said:she snuck up on Jon in the same spot, but let's ignore thatBrown County Ag said:
Dead man riding dragon raises people from the dead;
everyone: that's normal.
Trained assassin sneaks by body guards;
everyone: GASP yeah right that's impossible.
I'm not complaining, I'm glad they didn't die, but a lot of people in this episode should have died who didn't. For example, Brienne should have died. Jamie should have died. Tormund, Greyworm, Sam, Dany.
These people were out in the front lines being hit by wave, after wave, after wave of wights. I don't care how good a fighter you are - at some point the sheer volume of wights coming after you is going to bury you.
These people were out in the front lines being hit by wave, after wave, after wave of wights. I don't care how good a fighter you are - at some point the sheer volume of wights coming after you is going to bury you.
I'm glad this story arc and battle scene are done with. Let's get back to the story and put a proper wrap on the characters.
The beauty about this series when it started is that it worked without these massive, epic battles. It was a soap opera for sci fi nerds that transcended that genre. Personally, I'd prefer to get away from the "everyone on the same page with known objectives" where the payoff is only nerd porn (ie, massive battle scenes where the storybook hero wins). I want to get back to the petty selfishness and conniving ways as people jockey for power. There may not be enough time to get that, but having these armies decimated by battle does make for a great opportunity to try. At least Cersei has been true to form.
The beauty about this series when it started is that it worked without these massive, epic battles. It was a soap opera for sci fi nerds that transcended that genre. Personally, I'd prefer to get away from the "everyone on the same page with known objectives" where the payoff is only nerd porn (ie, massive battle scenes where the storybook hero wins). I want to get back to the petty selfishness and conniving ways as people jockey for power. There may not be enough time to get that, but having these armies decimated by battle does make for a great opportunity to try. At least Cersei has been true to form.
I guess that's actually the issue.annie88 said:I am re-watching it on HBO to go right now on my Apple box, and the quality is so much better it's not even funny. I can actually make things out now. I was watching on HBO on DIRECTV before.Charlie Conway said:Same, people act like they were surprised by it, before I started the episode I turned my setting to Vivid and it brightened up the screen a little and i could see everythingChamp Bailey said:
I didn't have any problems with the darkness at all.
I was going to say it looked perfect on my TV, but I watched on HBO Now. I bet that is the difference. (I don't have an OLED or a high end tv. I do watch it in complete darkness though, always.)
I personally thought it would have been sick to see Jon make it to Bran, the night king sends his commanders to strike down Jon and Jon started slaying through them and you saw scenes of the wights start to fall as Jon kills the ones who turned them.
Then you can have arya come in and save the day as the night king battles Jon and kicks him aside or something...
The WW didn't have to be in the front line but a little dissapointing that once the night king got to the weirwood it ended so quick
Then you can have arya come in and save the day as the night king battles Jon and kicks him aside or something...
The WW didn't have to be in the front line but a little dissapointing that once the night king got to the weirwood it ended so quick
Champ Bailey said:
Anyone think something might happen to Arya now that she was touched by the NK?
Does it mean anything with him dead? He touched Bran a long ass time ago and Brans been fine other than being mysterious and weird.
Dumb question. Can they just have sex and then they're married? (ie their existing marriage is consummated)PDEMDHC said:wangus12 said:Hell I kinda thought Sansa and Tyrion were making a little suicide pact and about to off eachothertrip said:
Sansa won't have to worry about feeding two more armies any more.
So did I. Now I think they are going to get married...
combat wombat said:
I'm not complaining, I'm glad they didn't die, but a lot of people in this episode should have died who didn't. For example, Brienne should have died. Jamie should have died. Tormund, Greyworm, Sam, Dany.
These people were out in the front lines being hit by wave, after wave, after wave of wights. I don't care how good a fighter you are - at some point the sheer volume of wights coming after you is going to bury you.
Jamie? No way. He is obviously the biggest tie back to Cersei. Seeing him actually completely flip on her and try to kill her is one of the most interesting story lines they have left.
Maybe the most intriguing honestly.
This wouldn't be so funny if you hadn't been so obnoxious and such a know-it-all to other posters who might have been wrong on something.Quote:
C@LAg said:
no way Arya sniffs anywhere near the NK.
That is not her kill
Whew....I'm back. I'm sure some surprised I wasn't on here immediately after but I did quite the marathon. Immediately after GOT ended I left for a 9:40 showing of Avengers Endgame. That ended at about 12:50 am.
So I've already read thru much of this and it's exactly what I expected after it ended. I knew the naysayers would deride it and I knew who they were - there were 4 in particular I knew would be highly critical and yep they are.
But I knew many others would be giddy.
I get it and I get both sides really. I'm a bit split overall. I liked it but some parts or the way things were shown were both great and confusing or hard to follow. Not gonna repeat everything that has been said pro and con but more look at how we got here and what it means......
I've reflected now for a night and morning and to me this was sort of inevitable - meaning the battle with the NK. Now the north and Dany's armies all or so decimated that just wiping out the rest of Westeros is not an option. The scales have been tipped back to make them underdogs yet again against Cersei et al. And the NK was never the ultimate showdown from the story it was a looming massive threat to all of them but just a side story really. I don't know why anyone was expecting huge backstory on him. We got what was required- the creation, the motivation, etc. but it was all really as simple as it was shown - he was created to kill mankind and there was a separation for a long long time but now he was here and had to be dealt with. that's it really.
Although I've championed many possible prophecies and theories I've never asked for more on the NK except speculating on the Stark origins of them but not as a major player in the story. The only involvement I thought was going forward if something required someone to be the NK in the future. That's eclipsed now so the story moves on to what it was really about the human side of the story.
SW comparison: The NK was Snoke or even more directly he was the Emperor - and we never got background on Snoke and only got background on the Emperor in the prequels. It was not necessary for us to know much of any of that for them and they were simply killed by some badassery basically so very similar.
Don't read if you have not watched Endgame: also very similar to Thanos. We don't know that much background really just his ultimate plan and saw the evil he wielded and what he did with it. In the end he was killed in much the same fashion really - a trick more or less snatched the stones away and with a snap they were all dead. Just incredible how similar they are in conclusion and coming on the same weekend. And the reactions seem the same to me - most are giddily happy with both but an ending like that will always have naysayers. On the other end though Endgame did have some real loss of major players. GOT is saving that as it was not the ultimate conclusion to the story.
Anyway on with the show..... we've still got some big things to come and some massive twists I imagine. If this was not the end of the series and no longer a player then there must be a lot more to make sure it ended here with 3 more 80 minute episodes. I'm excited about what is to come - we have our answers on what this was within the context. And I really liked it overall.
PS - the way it was shot and all the obscured scenes was interesting to me. I think it served 2 purposes and did them both well although one is merely practical:
1. given the budget, etc. the clouded and hazy parts of the battle allowed them to not have to show the battle with much going on in the background. It was always just the immediate vicinity you could see and kept it simpler in a way rather than rendering the entire background. Same with the storm and the dragons in the sky. I can get why some would not like that.
2. For the viewer I felt like that intentionally also led to feeling the same confusion as the characters and added to the tension cuz you never knew what was coming and you couldn't see what was happening elsewhere.
So it worked for those reasons - but I also get why some (maybe many) would not like that.
Was the Sansa and Tyrion thing like an in-love thing? Or just a love each other like family thing? I couldn't really tell.
I feel D&D basically made the first 5 years pointless. What was the point of the NK? The Wall, The Nights Watch? And mostly Bran? You can see the lack of GRRM input being the main driver over the last few seasons. Btw I haven't read the books but loved how the story moved like a book, now it's seems more like a typical TV show soap/drama that doesn't worry too much about previous character and storyline development.
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combat wombat said:
I'm not complaining, I'm glad they didn't die, but a lot of people in this episode should have died who didn't. For example, Brienne should have died. Jamie should have died. Tormund, Greyworm, Sam, Dany.
These people were out in the front lines being hit by wave, after wave, after wave of wights. I don't care how good a fighter you are - at some point the sheer volume of wights coming after you is going to bury you.
The how many Kindergartners could you take kind of situation.
Zombie Jon Snow said:
Whew....I'm back. I'm sure some surprised I wasn't on here immediately
This may shock you...but No one noticed
gigemJTH12 said:
Was the Sansa and Tyrion thing like an in-love thing? Or just a love each other like family thing? I couldn't really tell.
I think it was more just an acknowledgment of each other's survival to that point and what they had already gone through together. Felt weird and out of place mostly imo but I feel like the showrunners had to do something with them in the episode and clearly fighting the zombies coming out of the crypts was not going to be that thing.
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