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Some neat foreshadow,

Bran gave Arya the same knife that was used by the assassin in season 1. It has come full circle from Bran's attempted murderer to the weapon that saved Bran.

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No, no, don't you get it? That's lazy writing! They wanted a Jedi lightsaber battle between Jon and the NK instead!

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Nagler said:

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Bunch of people trying to prove how hip they are by not liking the episode, we get it, you couldn't done better. Move on. Your constant *****ing is getting old.

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You know - it's completely possible to dislike this episode AND still think GoT is a terrific series.

Count me in that camp.

Sorry - I was disappointed in a lot of things about this episode. Like I said before, it doesn't hold a candle to some of the great episodes in this series.

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The thing that annoys me are how the contrarians almost combative about it. Look at that cock goblin above you being a dick to others because they liked the episode.

Brian Earl Spilner said:

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If you don't like it, that's fine, but stop trying to ridicule people because they liked something you didn't.

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That should work both ways.

Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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All in all I thought it was a very fun watch but agree that Ariya jumping outa nowhere had no explanation, Branns scene seemed pointless (for now) or was he just being used as bait to get the Night King?, and I had to move around my TV room to figure out the scenes the lighting was so bad

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Yes, he was bait. Rewatch the strategy session from the previous episode, where the lazy writers set it all up.

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Lets start off with something mostly meaningless... Did anyone else hate the music? I thought it was awful compared to what I remember from most other episodes. I am really not sure why we suddenly changed from string instruments to, like a piano? It seemed like they really just wanted to copy a scene from Westworld and I was trying to make out if it was like a Metallica cover.

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He had used piano once before.

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How did arya get by the WW?

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I originally had the same question. I think they set this part up in the library scene where she showed she wad definitely capable of sneaking around wights.

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Yeah but she ran by those WW (why the dude's hair moved maybe) and running on snow is loud as ****

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Vernada said:

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Nagler said:

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Bunch of people trying to prove how hip they are by not liking the episode, we get it, you couldn't done better. Move on. Your constant *****ing is getting old.

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You know - it's completely possible to dislike this episode AND still think GoT is a terrific series.

Count me in that camp.

Sorry - I was disappointed in a lot of things about this episode. Like I said before, it doesn't hold a candle to some of the great episodes in this series.

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The thing that annoys me are how the contrarians almost combative about it. Look at that cock goblin above you being a dick to others because they liked the episode.

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Yes, but this goes both ways. There are plenty of viewers who will tolerate absolutely no criticism of the show and berate anyone who dares to say anything negative.

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Orlando Ayala Cant Read said:

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All in all I thought it was a very fun watch but agree that Ariya jumping outa nowhere had no explanation, Branns scene seemed pointless (for now) or was he just being used as bait to get the Night King?, and I had to move around my TV room to figure out the scenes the lighting was so bad

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Yes, he was bait. Rewatch the strategy session from the previous episode, where the lazy writers set it all up.

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Of course G Martin is going to defend the writing quality.

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JJxvi said:

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Lets start off with something mostly meaningless... Did anyone else hate the music? I thought it was awful compared to what I remember from most other episodes. I am really not sure why we suddenly changed from string instruments to, like a piano? It seemed like they really just wanted to copy a scene from Westworld and I was trying to make out if it was like a Metallica cover.

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He had used piano once before.

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that episode, S6E10 (I think) had the best music of any episode I can recall in the entire series.

Nobody could kill the nk, and no one did.

The one single thing I can take from this thread as the truth: DSAG44 is stalking Mel Gibson.

DSAg44In reply to Federale01 12:10a, 4/29/19
yes, if mel gibson ran winterfell, the WWs would have been ****ed from the beginning...

DSAg44In reply to bangobango 12:27a, 4/29/19
again, mel gibson would have had this wrapped up in about 30 minutes. the inglish are about the same as the WWs. fire, fire, fire, and fire. throw in some fakes to the right or left and start the fire. simple.

DSAg44 7:17a AG
William Wallace would have wrapped this battle up in about 30 minutes with fireballs from his arse...

The writing was very jarring in comparison to both the source material and the first several seasons in many ways.

I think what annoys me the most about this particular episode is that we actually got a damn good extended battle episode. Epic in scale, whereas almost all previous ones were really scaled down from the quasi-realistic combat that Martin described (which was understandable considering how hard and expensive it is). And then we get this one and it is just DUMB. Like really dumb. You really have to suspend all kinds of disbelief about what an army in their situation would do (It wasnt quite as bad as that one siege battle scene in Westworld I guess). Then the idea that they won only because the general on the other side decided to ride into combat himself while the battle was still going on (a battle that was giving him more soldiers and material all the time, since it seems that even corpses already killed by dragonglass could just come back to life) makes it really a huge WTF. They couldnt write themselves through that plot hole better than that? They couldnt even give us any like revenge motive, or SOMETHING to explain why the Night King would risk their entire plan just to personally kill one crippled kid?

And then at the end of it all, like a million redshirts died while most of the main characters proved impossible to kill. Very different from what was typical in both the source material and earlier seasons on that.

It's also very, very weird, that like this team of rag tag misfits stopped the apocalypse already. Going to get the Iron Throne (with dragons) seems like it should basically be "Scouring the Shire" postlude level stuff.

"It's not bad but the quality drop since source material ran out is clear imo."

Spot on.

Plus why waste 2 episodes trying to build tension with characters that all survived. Our collective perspective that no character is safe was built in GRRMs world. In the producers world, it's mostly typical story telling and the tension has really been gone for awhile.

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That dragon on dragon fight above the clouds was just breathtaking. And I love that you're barely able to make out Viserion for most of the first half.

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And then at the end of it all, like a million redshirts died while most of the main characters proved impossible to kill. Very different from what was typical in both the source material and earlier seasons on that.

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Very much this.

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hollywood taking over

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It's clear a lot of you guys are having a hard time accepting that things didn't go exactly as you expected them to. Jon didn't have an epic battle with a WW (again). Bran didn't reveal how he was actually an inside man for the army of the dead. Headless Ned Stark didn't awaken. The Night King didn't pull of his mask revealing that it was Petyr Baelish the whole time before Nimeria deus ex machina bit his head off.

Theories are fun to fantasize about but y'all end up ruining things for yourselves when they don't turn out how you planned. Plus, half the time y'alls predictions suck anyways.

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SIAP, but this is the best post of this entire thread.

gigemJTH12 said:

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I'm glad the Night king and wights are all dead.

They were only like 10% of this show.

The show was about the characters who are left, and their quest r the throne. It's ending how it should.

Turns on the Night Kong's whole purpose to the plot was to just be a thorn in Dany's side bc without that battle she wins the throne way too easily.

Now it's at least even vs the golden company + Greyjoy.

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Man, I can't disagree more. The night king/white walkers/army of the dead represented Winter incarnate. The battle for the light/summer/life was the opposing force. This story was about that conflict. The opening scene to the ENTIRE series was setting up the white walkers.

And the NK...just died. Now we're supposed to believe Cersei is the true villain to this epic tale? That Jon was resurrected to help dany sit on the iron throne? I...I'll post my detailed thoughts later but I can't think of a more disappointing plot arc.

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arya also did her fair share of traveling as well

It also felt like a ton of scenes cut out, or I missed what was happening somehow. How Arya got in the godswood to kill the Nigh King, I'll chalk up to just them wanting a twist, but WTF happened that Arya, and the Hound, and Beric Dondarrion ended up walking through an abandoned castle, like a horror film or the kids in Jurassic Park hiding from velociraptors?

One minute we have Beric pleading with the Hound to help his guys fight like 50 guys, and then the Hound sees Arya fighting on rooftops, so we're like "OK he's gonna fight"

But then it cuts to the girl killng the giant, and then maybe some dragon stuff, and now the next time I pick back up with Arya she's like all alone running through empty libraries and **** ? And then the Hound and Beric somehow got away from all the dudes Beric was fighting too? WTF was happening? Its like there was a scene I missed.

yep, that was my biggest issue. Felt disjointed and we got to the next scene so often with no context. Felt like they cut so many transition sequences.

So here's a thought as to why we didn't see the WW's engaging any of the characters.

They didn't have to. And further, it was not their strategy to do so. Bran made it very clear that the NK was there for him. Lure the Dothraki out in to the field and overwhelm them in the darkness. Then throw the wave of endless dead against the infantry and storm the castle. The NK holding back made sense as it hampered Jon and Dany in burning all the dead because every pass over them exposed them to losing a dragon.

The NK clearly did not want to face Jon wielding a Valyrian steel sword. Instead, he raised the dead. The dead were essentially the barrier. Once the NK neared the castle the other WW's (maybe a dozen of so) essentially formed up as his bodyguards. They were never meant to be on the front lines. Further, any WW goes down, so does the dead they reanimated which obviously isn't in their favor.

The dead cleared the path, the WW's were the security, and the NK went for Bran as Bran predicted. I think it also drove home the point (argued heavily on this thread last week) that there is no retreat, no second of third engagement with the NK. WF was all or nothing. Kill the NK at WF or the realm perishes. Period. Made all the more obvious when he raised the dead during the battle.

Now, like or dislike Arya delivering the death blow. I can see both sides of that. My logic and reason brain says that was on Dany or Jon, prophecy, etc. My the chaos side of my brain loved that it was Arya, the deadliest person currently in Westeros.