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Or to make it Games of Thrones, "like Sam would look at a rasher of bacon, still sizzling, grease popping, with a bowl of boiled brown eggs, and the little salty fish crisped and blackened".

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All I can think about is Eminem singing that line to the beat from Lose Yourself

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JCRiley09 said:

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Can we talk about the books and how Howland Reed is important in this thread?

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Only reason to have him now is to legitimize, because he was there, what Leanne and thus Bran said that Jon was Aegon. Sam has the proof that they married. Howland would say Jon is Leanne's. This would only be necessary if some question Brans ability.

Although I have questioned if Howland has more connection to the Children of the Forest and can somehow help the upcoming battle.

Maybe asked and answered already...

What was Ned's play or goal? He had an heir to the Targaryen house in his castle for the entirety of Robert's rule. Probably knew that the reason for the rebellion was wrong. Objected to the assassination attempt on Dany.

Or was he simply protecting his nephew?

Protecting his nephew. He let him go to the wall and I doubt the plan at the time was for him to die, be resurrected, and then fight for the iron throne.

Ned was going to tell Jon about his mother when they saw each other again. Plans got interrupted.

Do you think Ned would have tried to put AeJon on the throne after Robert was killed, had LF not betrayed him? I'm curious what his plan was before everything went to **** and he lost his head. Would he have considered AeJon his trump card so to speak?

HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

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Do you think Ned would have tried to put AeJon on the throne after Robert was killed, had LF not betrayed him? I'm curious what his plan was before everything went to **** and he lost his head. Would he have considered AeJon his trump card so to speak?

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nope.

True: but I feel he wouldn't be quite as adamant with others but will still be conflicted. Obviously this is all pure conjecture and can never be verified.

aggie kid said:

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Maybe asked and answered already...

What was Ned's play or goal? He had an heir to the Targaryen house in his castle for the entirety of Robert's rule. Probably knew that the reason for the rebellion was wrong. Objected to the assassination attempt on Dany.

Or was he simply protecting his nephew?

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Protecting family and last remainder of what he had of his sister Lyanna. The north are people that want honor but not power. No Stark has ever sat on the throne or wanted to.

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aggie kid said:

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Maybe asked and answered already...

What was Ned's play or goal? He had an heir to the Targaryen house in his castle for the entirety of Robert's rule. Probably knew that the reason for the rebellion was wrong. Objected to the assassination attempt on Dany.

Or was he simply protecting his nephew?

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Protecting family and last remainder of what he had of his sister Lyanna. The north are people that want honor but not power. No Stark has ever sat on the throne or wanted to.

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Ned sat on the throne when Robert was out hogging

HummingbirdSaltalamacchia said:

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Do you think Ned would have tried to put AeJon on the throne after Robert was killed, had LF not betrayed him? I'm curious what his plan was before everything went to **** and he lost his head. Would he have considered AeJon his trump card so to speak?

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I think by the time Robert died Jon had already taken his vows.

When you think about it, it was kind of crappy of Ned. He was only going to let Jon know he was the rightful heir after Jon foreswore all titles by taking the black. This would protect Ned from ever having to choose between Robert and his children or Jon Snow. That is great, but it completely deprived Jon of his birthright in exchange for spending the rest of his life freezing his balls off.

In the books, Ned is corresponding with Stannis and I believe his intent was to put Stannis on the throne.

Isn't there some saying that the only people truly qualified to rule never seek power, and those that do seek power are the worst rulers?

Ned didn't know she wed Rhaegar. All he knows is Jon is their kid, a ******* in Neds mind

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Ned didn't know she wed Rhaegar. All he knows is Jon is their kid, a ******* in Neds mind

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If she tells him that the kids last name is Targaryen (so far only in the show) then that is a give away that the kid is not a *******. We do not have all of Ned's memories in the books other than her saying "promise me Ned.'

So there could have been time for her to tell him about the wedding.

Two ideas:

Bran wargs the ice dragon and goes Harry Carry (intended) on the white walkers.

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The White Walkers win and wipe out everyone. The babies they've been collecting are the new race of "human", and the show ends with a toddler white walker sitting on the game of thrones'

Pam Poovey said:

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aggie kid said:

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Maybe asked and answered already...

What was Ned's play or goal? He had an heir to the Targaryen house in his castle for the entirety of Robert's rule. Probably knew that the reason for the rebellion was wrong. Objected to the assassination attempt on Dany.

Or was he simply protecting his nephew?

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Protecting family and last remainder of what he had of his sister Lyanna. The north are people that want honor but not power. No Stark has ever sat on the throne or wanted to.

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Weren't the Starks Kings in the North before the first Targaryen united the kingdoms?

Pretty sure she's talking about the Iron Throne. No Stark has ever sat on the Iron Throne.

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Pam Poovey said:

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aggie kid said:

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Maybe asked and answered already...

What was Ned's play or goal? He had an heir to the Targaryen house in his castle for the entirety of Robert's rule. Probably knew that the reason for the rebellion was wrong. Objected to the assassination attempt on Dany.

Or was he simply protecting his nephew?

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Protecting family and last remainder of what he had of his sister Lyanna. The north are people that want honor but not power. No Stark has ever sat on the throne or wanted to.

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Weren't the Starks Kings in the North before the first Targaryen united the kingdoms?

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Yes...however as the North still worships the Old Gods and not the Seven, they may run into some trouble for acceptance in the South.

Even the Targs faced an uprising of the Faith (who did not like their incest), tree worshipers on the Iron Throne may trigger something similar, unless like Henri IV they feel Kings Landing is worth a Mass

Can we talk about fan theories on this thread?

He probably would have been able to deduce he was true born when she said "Aegon Targaryen" and not "Aegon, son of Rhaegar". Subtle distinction, but a distinction nonetheless.

Pam Poovey said:

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Can we talk about fan theories on this thread?

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Absolutely - only no-go is leaked show stuff.

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SoTXAg09 said:

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He probably would have been able to deduce he was true born when she said "Aegon Targaryen" and not "Aegon, son of Rhaegar". Subtle distinction, but a distinction nonetheless.

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I guess I didn't take that next leap that it meant they were married automatically. I was thinking a mother wouldn't say "This is Aegon Sand, a *******" , but you are probably more likely right, especially the way this show is written.

I also just didnt remember her saying Targaryen, so that didn't help.