What affect is the dragon glass supposed to have on the wights? Do we know that? Because IIRC we've only seen dragon glass used by sam on a WW. And Jon used his Valariyan steel on a WW. But at hardhome they managed to kill the wights just fine with regular swords. It just didn't kill them proper.

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Is he just evil incarnate and has no goal other than the destruction of humanity?

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I'm reasonably confident that's not the case at this point.

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Also, the other one in the scene was Martin Starr of Freaks & Geeks, Party Down, Silicon Valley (and a lot of Apatow movies) fame.


Edit: atm beat me to it.

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that's awesome went so fast i had no clue - i actually thought well those are nobodies they're dead (like red shirt guys on ST).

Dragon glass killed the wight at the kings landing meeting.

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So Night King...?

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I would guess, initially, it was revenge on the Children. Now? Maybe he's an ancient Stark they captured and he just wants to go home. no friggin clue. Is he just evil incarnate and has no goal other than the destruction of humanity?

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At this point I think he is more likely an ancient Targaryen than Stark.

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Sam's all like

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Except the opposite.

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Theon: redeeming himself in front of the Starks

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With that said, Theon has to die on the battlefield saving a Stark. He doesn't have much left to prove at this point. He at least has earned some respect back from the Ironborn saving his sister.

Theon definitely is a leading favorite for "die a hero" status

Jon and his dire wolf will kill the night king...bet the fam

Looks like you guys have covered a lot of it well.

I'll just add my short $.02.

Solid 1st ep, felt kinda rushed, but with limited episodes left I can see why. Lots of lay people who don't follow the novels but do the show will not get the significance of JS flying the dragon (I'm one of them) and while there has been some discussion of that significance before, I felt like they shoulda emphasized it a bit more some how in previous episodes at least if not this one.

Loved the part of Jamie and Bran seeing one another at the end. Would love to see Jamie complete his turn to good!

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So Night King...?

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I would guess, initially, it was revenge on the Children. Now? Maybe he's an ancient Stark they captured and he just wants to go home. no friggin clue. Is he just evil incarnate and has no goal other than the destruction of humanity?

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At this point I think he is more likely an ancient Targaryen than Stark.

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Someone pointed out before, the Targaryens only came to Westeros ~300 years prior to the events we're watching. The NK was created from one of the First Men by the Children of the Forest thousands of years before that.

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Yeah, the Children of the Forest plunged dragonglass into one of the First Men. Can't remember which episode that was

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No way Bran wants anything to happen to Jamie. In fact, I think Bran will THANK him for what he did...setting him down the road to become the three-eyed raven. He first had his raven visions when he unconscious from the fall or right after. Bran should know him being pushed out the window had to happen to set everything in motion. If not, it would be truly out of character from what he has become.

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Agree with this. Bran will see it as his true destiny , and that Jamie helped push (no pun intended) it along.

Can somebody explain the Ed Sheeran thing? I am totally unaware of his connection.

Dragon glass....

Sam used it on a WW, Jon used it to kill one at KL and I'm pretty sure one of the CotF used it to kill a WW under the tree protecting the Three Eyed Raven, thus allowing Hodor to get a head start down that tunnel. They killed on of the WW for sure but I can't remember if it was Valerian steel or dragon glass.

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I missed some of this stuff. I gotta watch the episode again. I watched it at a GoT party, and it was like watching Happy Days when Chachi entered the room. Every time some new dude would walk in, the women in the room would scream and I couldn't hear what the hell they were saying.

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This is why I don't go to "watch parties" for a show that necessarily requires you needing to listen and pay attention.

Watch parties are for the bachelor, not GoT.

*ruffles fedora*

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It was my wife's co-workers, and my wife doesn't even really watch it. I tried to get her into the show, but she prefers HGTV. It was my first ever watch party of any show. I knew I would not catch everything because I can't rewind the show. I have it recorded for myself too.

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Can somebody explain the Ed Sheeran thing? I am totally unaware of his connection.

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He had a cameo a few seasons back. He looked awkward the entire scene. Arya probably made a pie out of him. Probably

I don't think he's literally a Targaryan, but that perhaps the Targaryan's descended from him/his people.

I certainly think the Night King's history is going to be important very soon.

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So Night King...?

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I would guess, initially, it was revenge on the Children. Now? Maybe he's an ancient Stark they captured and he just wants to go home. no friggin clue. Is he just evil incarnate and has no goal other than the destruction of humanity?

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At this point I think he is more likely an ancient Targaryen than Stark.

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Someone pointed out before, the Targaryens only came to Westeros ~300 years prior to the events we're watching. The NK was created from one of the First Men by the Children of the Forest thousands of years before that.

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Did they ever confirm that scene being the NK origin or was that just the first Walker? They might be one in the same but I wasn't sure if that was ever totally confirmed.

I'm just curious about the NK riding the dragon and the mysterious symbols he leaves then.

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wife brought up the point that now we've seen two targaryens ride dragons in dany and jon and wondered whether the knight king riding one meant he was targaryen all along

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I floated this last night also.

To me a big piece of evidence is that the showrunners said on the 'after the episode' bit that only Targaryans can ride dragons. That's something that' s been theorized, but not outright stated I don't think.

But, the Night King does seem to have some sort of control over everything in his army, so they could fairly easily explain their way around that.

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Can somebody explain the Ed Sheeran thing? I am totally unaware of his connection.

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He had a cameo a few seasons back. He looked awkward the entire scene. Arya probably made a pie out of him. Probably

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What about this tweed from Sheeran (from Reddit):


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Did Arya take his face or something.

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We saw the Children create the Night King.

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I know, a poster above asked for clarification

Yeah, I'm just saying we actually saw that happen. It's not just that Bran said it.

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I certainly think the Night King's history is going to be important very soon.

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Maybe revealed in the scrolls/books that Sam stole from the Citadel?