A lot of writers work in this way. They don't stop having ideas, but those ideas dont always fit with the story they are currently working on. I believe Sanderson has said he operates that way.MBAR said:No one said it was laziness. He's writing a lot these days, and even in the same universe, but its clear as day this dude has no intention of finishing Winds of Winter.spag.ag2003 said:I think GRRM wants to finish the books much more than anyone on this thread wants to read them. I absolutely agree he wrote himself into a corner and is feeling immense pressure to deliver something great and the anxiety is too big for him to overcome at this time. I absolutely disagree that it's laziness and he doesn't care enough to tell his story. Hope he does.aTmAg said:I think GRRM wrote himself into a corner and is glad to cash paychecks watching HBO try to get out of it.MBAR said:Not only that they have to end ***** They can't just keep plodding along like a show such as the Walking Dead. At some point you have to finish the story and its obvious GRRM isn't interested i doing it.Champ Bailey said:Scientific said:
I did enjoy this episode more. If people are complaining it's only because it keeps layering on the fan service & by now this season will be viewed as the worst one.
My only major gripe is the cut off of Jon's revelation. We were all waiting to see what the reaction would be from the girls.
This season is hands down better than season 5 so far.
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Small complaint, but I do wish we had gotten to see Arya and Sansas reaction to Jon's news
Jamie literaly gave you the exposition on why he is who he is. THEY LITERALLY SPOKE IT OUTLOUD. He's had a bit of a redemption arc, but he's not a good person.Charlie Conway said:
Bron being an ******* to Jaime and Tyrion made no sense. He's be friendly and cordial with them this whole time and then all of a sudden he's a ****ing dick to them. His character is a sell sword, has always been that way. If he wants to kill one of them find, but to him it's always been about the money. It makes no sense for him to waltz in and be an ******* to them.
Jamie spent 7+ seasons redeeming his character, he's always been my favorite, trying to do what he thought was best as a knight faced with really tough decisions, and then tonight he just leaves to go back to Cersei after everything he's seen and done. They cut back his character arc with a machete.
I won't touch the not seeing a fleet of ships behind a cliff while you're flying through the ****ing sky on a dragon.
Bron was being who he's always been.
Wasn't he writing a new book every 2 years or so? Then suddenly nothing? I see that the last 2 books were released 5 and 6 years later respectively, but I understand he wrote that originally as one big ass book that was later edited into 2 books.spag.ag2003 said:I think GRRM wants to finish the books much more than anyone on this thread wants to read them. I absolutely agree he wrote himself into a corner and is feeling immense pressure to deliver something great and the anxiety is too big for him to overcome at this time. I absolutely disagree that it's laziness and he doesn't care enough to tell his story. Hope he does.aTmAg said:I think GRRM wrote himself into a corner and is glad to cash paychecks watching HBO try to get out of it.MBAR said:Not only that they have to end ***** They can't just keep plodding along like a show such as the Walking Dead. At some point you have to finish the story and its obvious GRRM isn't interested i doing it.Champ Bailey said:Scientific said:
I did enjoy this episode more. If people are complaining it's only because it keeps layering on the fan service & by now this season will be viewed as the worst one.
My only major gripe is the cut off of Jon's revelation. We were all waiting to see what the reaction would be from the girls.
This season is hands down better than season 5 so far.
I think he is done.
bobinator said:
A non plot thing that bothers me this season is how often we're about to get a scene with two characters discussing something important and then it cuts away.
Like, after all that, we didn't get to actually see Sansa and Arya learn about Jon. That's a critical moment in the relationship of the four Starks, and we didn't get to see it.
Yet if we had, people would be complaining about the authenticity of their reaction
I thought it was pretty clear they intended for Drogon to be out of range. It's basically a mexican standoff. Anyone makes a move and it's probably mutual annihilationJoseph Parrish said:gigemJTH12 said:
I don't mind the character love stuff. The show is ending. There can't be fighting, deception, and lies in every single scene y'all. That just not a real thing that happens.
Neither is not destroying your greatest threat when it's right in front of you like the ending scene. That's just not s real thing that happens.
Agreed. That is a huge moment for the Stark family and we need to know how the girls took it. Sansa already seems to want to put Jon on the throne. How did Arya handle it. They were so close as kids. Is it still that way or she just a ***** to everyone nowbobinator said:
A non plot thing that bothers me this season is how often we're about to get a scene with two characters discussing something important and then it cuts away.
Like, after all that, we didn't get to actually see Sansa and Arya learn about Jon. That's a critical moment in the relationship of the four Starks, and we didn't get to see it.
Great minds think alike.
The person that is not willing to fight and die, if need be, for his country has no right to life.
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The first guaranteed survivor of Game of Thrones. Because they can't afford him in the budgetBrian Earl Spilner said:
I think you are right that the attack comes at night. The scorpions have done all they are going to do in this series. They can't aim in the dark so hitting a moving target is just not happening because they'd have to fire into the dark blind.wangus12 said:
I feel like its kinda obvious that if they make Dany go full mad queen then she is as good as dead.
But I don't see why shes full "mad queen". Shes pissed off, sure. But that is entirely rational anger...her dear friend and her child/dragon dying in front of her gives her motivation to finish killing cersei, sure. What counts as "mad queen" though? Does she take Missandei saying dracarys to push her over the edge into killing peasants by the hundreds on the back of Drogon? That would be insane for her and then I'd agree.
How many times do we need to see it explained that Jon is Aegon? I was fine with them sparing us that explanation again
She wants to bait Dany into attacking and wiping out her exhausted and depleted army, not kill her and have Jon/Sansa pull them all back and regroup in the North for a war down the road.
I actually think this is pretty obvious with how she killed Missandei.
Cersei, probably rightfully, thinks her best chance to win is to fight as soon as possible, especially if she can get Dany to attack her fortified position.
I do agree that it's not at all clear that this is the plan though.
I actually think this is pretty obvious with how she killed Missandei.
Cersei, probably rightfully, thinks her best chance to win is to fight as soon as possible, especially if she can get Dany to attack her fortified position.
I do agree that it's not at all clear that this is the plan though.
Why is everyone assuming Jamie's going to be "back" with Cersei? When he said he was a hateful person I took it to mean he hated HIMSELF for what he had done for Cersei, and it's his intention to redeem himself.Charlie Conway said:
Bron being an ******* to Jaime and Tyrion made no sense. He's be friendly and cordial with them this whole time and then all of a sudden he's a ****ing dick to them. His character is a sell sword, has always been that way. If he wants to kill one of them find, but to him it's always been about the money. It makes no sense for him to waltz in and be an ******* to them.
Jamie spent 7+ seasons redeeming his character, he's always been my favorite, trying to do what he thought was best as a knight faced with really tough decisions, and then tonight he just leaves to go back to Cersei after everything he's seen and done. They cut back his character arc with a machete.
I won't touch the not seeing a fleet of ships behind a cliff while you're flying through the ****ing sky on a dragon.
Side note, blech, brienne was a very ugly crier
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
DannyDuberstein said:I thought it was pretty clear they intended for Drogon to be out of range. It's basically a mexican standoff. Anyone makes a move and it's probably mutual annihilationJoseph Parrish said:gigemJTH12 said:
I don't mind the character love stuff. The show is ending. There can't be fighting, deception, and lies in every single scene y'all. That just not a real thing that happens.
Neither is not destroying your greatest threat when it's right in front of you like the ending scene. That's just not s real thing that happens.
No it wasn't clear a thing all after sniping Rhaegal from a ridiculous distance behind Dragonstone....and even if you assume that...Dany was damn sure in range.
Exactly my thought.Pignorant said:
Tyrion knowing about Cersei's baby should tip off Euron that it is not his child.
Because Tyrion left KL well before Euron arrived.
It's not about the explanation, but Sansa and Arya's reaction to it. They could have even cut away and come back, but this was a massive moment for the four Starks, characters we've known since the very first episode, and also possibly the last time they're all together, and we didn't get to see it.
Well, then clear to anyone with a lick of sense. Sorry it wasn't far enough for your perspective, but that obviously seemed to be the intent in having him positioned way back.
wangus12 said:The first guaranteed survivor of Game of Thrones. Because they can't afford him in the budgetBrian Earl Spilner said:
He is Tormunds now. And no WAY Tormund is gone for good.
Ghost isn't done.
I agree with thisQuote:
Why is everyone assuming Jamie's going to be "back" with Cersei? When he said he was a hateful person I took it to mean he hated HIMSELF for what he had done for Cersei, and it's his intention to redeem himself.
DannyDuberstein said:
Well, then clear to anyone with a lick of sense.
You should study physics buddy. Those castles walls are not a mile tall. They were damn sure in range. And they just showed you the range of the weapon in the previous scene. Drop the insults.
Brian Earl Spilner said:
My boy Gendry got shot down harder than Rhaegal.
Lifting lines from reddit, I see.
so 15 seconds of exposition is good enough for you to cancel out 7 years of character building
StringerBell said:
Danys ego will be the death of her. And it's gonna happen soon.
She should have listened and taken a damn break but she was too threatened by Sansa
Nah, I think they're swerving. Everyone else is getting protected sendoffs and she will too.
I think now she ultimately sacrifices herself and dies a hero leaving the throne for Jon.
Anyone think that Euron looked entirely too surprised in the trailer for next week?
At first when I read your post I thought you were flat out wrong but that's a fair point. I might be misreading his reaction and intentions. It could go either way. Guess we'll find out.BenFiasco14 said:Why is everyone assuming Jamie's going to be "back" with Cersei? When he said he was a hateful person I took it to mean he hated HIMSELF for what he had done for Cersei, and it's his intention to redeem himself.Charlie Conway said:
Bron being an ******* to Jaime and Tyrion made no sense. He's be friendly and cordial with them this whole time and then all of a sudden he's a ****ing dick to them. His character is a sell sword, has always been that way. If he wants to kill one of them find, but to him it's always been about the money. It makes no sense for him to waltz in and be an ******* to them.
Jamie spent 7+ seasons redeeming his character, he's always been my favorite, trying to do what he thought was best as a knight faced with really tough decisions, and then tonight he just leaves to go back to Cersei after everything he's seen and done. They cut back his character arc with a machete.
I won't touch the not seeing a fleet of ships behind a cliff while you're flying through the ****ing sky on a dragon.
Side note, blech, brienne was a very ugly crier
Thats what I'm hoping forn_touch said:I agree with thisQuote:
Why is everyone assuming Jamie's going to be "back" with Cersei? When he said he was a hateful person I took it to mean he hated HIMSELF for what he had done for Cersei, and it's his intention to redeem himself.
Also I'm extremely confident that GRRM will never release Winds, let alone a dream of spring.
Almost poop slap level confident.
Almost poop slap level confident.
CNN is an enemy of the state and should be treated as such.
it is clear that Jamie is going back to kill/stop Cersei because he hates her. Any dolt would have understood what he meant there. Have to be sub-dolt to not pick up what he meant
so much *****ing
Does the book go into the "don't kill all the civilians" stuff as much as the show? Seems like they are going way too 21st century on that sentiment. Back in the days prior to laser guided bombs and stuff, they had no choice than to waste the entire city. Hell as recently as 80 years ago we'd go Dresden on an entire city because we didn't have the ability to do pinpoint attacks.
Everything he spoke about was in those 7 years.Charlie Conway said:
so 15 seconds of exposition is good enough for you to cancel out 7 years of character building
Euron is a real piece of work. Hate that guy
Drogon was pretty clearly intended to be out of range, otherwise he'd have been right beside Dany. You don't need to study physics to see that's clearly what they were going for.
Cersei sent Bronn to kill him. Surely he doesn't think she was just joking around?wangus12 said:Thats what I'm hoping forn_touch said:I agree with thisQuote:
Why is everyone assuming Jamie's going to be "back" with Cersei? When he said he was a hateful person I took it to mean he hated HIMSELF for what he had done for Cersei, and it's his intention to redeem himself.
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