Game of Thrones - Season 7

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In reply to Urban Ag • 2:46p, 7/25/17
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Urban Ag said:
So back in the spring I bookmarked a page that provided all the S7 spoilers that some reddit user posted, and later deleted. Apparently it was the same user that did the same thing for S6 and the spoilers were very accurate.



So after re-watching Ep 2 last night, I pulled up that bookmarked page and compared it and literally, Ep 1 and 2 matched, at least on the big ticket items.

If you don't want S7 to be spoiled DO NOT read any of the leaked spoilers as it appears that once again, they are legit.

Also, and it's my main reason for posting this, please don't post leaked spoilers in the form of "your own" theories or speculation as to the events to come. At a min, if anyone is going to try to pass off a spoiler as their own speculation, spoiler tags should be used. IMHO of course.


I can confirm this.... they have the facts right, just not the sequencing...... stay away! I stopped after episode 2 .... pretty close, just wrong on the order.
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2:54p, 7/25/17
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I really enjoyed the episode and have a few thoughts, though many of them have been said in some form or another elsewhere in this discussion.

1) As has been discussed, it was conspicuous that Melisandre left out bringing back Jon, which means this will definitely be something that he says to them. I can see happening a couple ways, either (heavily summarized):
Dany: If you want bend the knee and swear allegiance to me, why shouldn't I feed you to my dragon?
Jon: I've seen worse, and I've been dead before.
or
Dany: Why does the red priestess think you're so important?
Jon: I don't know, but she did bring me back from the dead.

In some way, Jon will share that info, and it will give him much credibility in the room.

I think the Jon and Dany/Tyrion/Varys meeting should be great. Given its the first Jon and Dany meeting, plus a chance to put basically every fan favorite in one room together, I'd imagine it will be a very well-done scene.

2) I also think Littlefinger suspects/assumes Jon's lineage. He had the line from a few seasons back about 'it not being Ned Stark's way to have *******', and while at the time it was meant as a hint to viewers to help setup the believability of the future revelation about Jon, it probably also lets us know that he's long doubted the story of where Jon came from. Jenn96's post a couple pages back is spot on with what I think.

I don't think that this points to any secret evidence in the tombs as some have speculated and I don't think it will be him that shares Jon's lineage - though he might if he thinks he can play that card to his advantage. I think its even possible he could do that very soon, as way to drive a wedge at Sansa while Jon is away. It would provide the showrunners the opportunity to cut from that discussion, straight to Jon and Dany together, and they certainly enjoy those types of transitions.

3) As far as how Littlefinger gets it, lots of talk about Arya doing it, but I think we're forgetting that Briene is also at Winterfell right now. I don't think she's even had a line in the first two episodes, but they've bothered to show her several times. With Winterfell less crowded of characters now, I bet she gets some more screen time giving Sansa counsel, and maybe a confrontation with Littlefinger (not that I think he dies this episode).

4) Euron will probably die a humorous dragon death in episode 6, but I'll be curious to how Cersei takes to him when he returns with real gifts like he's about to. She was pretty dismissive of him in ep1.

5) Please give us some Bronn in ep3.
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3:00p, 7/25/17
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I'm so ready to have the Big 3 in one room. (Jon, Dany, Tyrion)
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 3:08p, 7/25/17
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Brian Earl Spilner said:
I'm so ready to have the Big 3 in one room. (Jon, Dany, Tyrion)

that's been my 3 faves since book 1...been waiting for that forever. i think i might hyperventilate.
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In reply to Squirrel Master • 3:10p, 7/25/17
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I don't know. Jon doesn't seem to really enjoy bring up the dying thing. He's told Melisandre not to bring him back again if he dies and I'm not sure he's mentioned it to anyone else that wasn't at the Wall when it happened, except for Sansa.

He still isn't sure why he's back and he probably won't use it on his own. Its not something he's just gonna drop in the middle of a conversation. Maybe Mel is saving that little trinket until Jon/Dany come to a disagreement about Dany not helping him
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In reply to wangus12 • 3:15p, 7/25/17
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wangus12 said:
I don't know. Jon doesn't seem to really enjoy bring up the dying thing. He's told Melisandre not to bring him back again if he dies and I'm not sure he's mentioned it to anyone else that wasn't at the Wall when it happened, except for Sansa.

He still isn't sure why he's back and he probably won't use it on his own. Its not something he's just gonna drop in the middle of a conversation. Maybe Mel is saving that little trinket until Jon/Dany come to a disagreement about Dany not helping him
Yea, plus he's going to be trying to convince Dany to help him fight "the undead". It might confuse things if he also admits he's been dead once before.

"No, I'm not undead. I was just dead, and then brought back alive. These are monsters that are dead, but still dead, but just not AS dead. It's really different than me."
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In reply to Trident 88 • 3:21p, 7/25/17
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Trident 88 said:
M.C. Swag said:
There's 11 episodes left (5 this season).

I wouldn't underestimate the ability of this show to sneak a sex scene in (see: grey worm/missandei)

11 episodes is closer to 1 season than 2. They just cut it in half and called it 2 seasons.

Grey Work and Missandei damn sure didn't happen overnight. Like I said, there's too much other stuff going on for the show to properly "explore" anything but an alliance between Dany and Jon. They both have too much separate relationship history for just banging out a quickie to make sense, and far too much on their plates to even be thinking about it. So, at best (and assuming they both live to the end), we end up with an arranged marriage between Aunt Dany and her nephew.
How long did it take Daario to go from swell sword captain to Queen's boy toy? Not long.
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In reply to redline248 • 3:25p, 7/25/17
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redline248 said:
Trident 88 said:
M.C. Swag said:
There's 11 episodes left (5 this season).

I wouldn't underestimate the ability of this show to sneak a sex scene in (see: grey worm/missandei)

11 episodes is closer to 1 season than 2. They just cut it in half and called it 2 seasons.

Grey Work and Missandei damn sure didn't happen overnight. Like I said, there's too much other stuff going on for the show to properly "explore" anything but an alliance between Dany and Jon. They both have too much separate relationship history for just banging out a quickie to make sense, and far too much on their plates to even be thinking about it. So, at best (and assuming they both live to the end), we end up with an arranged marriage between Aunt Dany and her nephew.
How long did it take Daario to go from swell sword captain to Queen's boy toy? Not long.
He just chopped those dude's heads off and walked in on her taking a bath.
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In reply to wangus12 • 3:26p, 7/25/17
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wangus12 said:
I don't know. Jon doesn't seem to really enjoy bring up the dying thing. He's told Melisandre not to bring him back again if he dies and I'm not sure he's mentioned it to anyone else that wasn't at the Wall when it happened, except for Sansa.

He still isn't sure why he's back and he probably won't use it on his own. Its not something he's just gonna drop in the middle of a conversation. Maybe Mel is saving that little trinket until Jon/Dany come to a disagreement about Dany not helping him
I don't think he'll use it in a bragging fashion, but rather as a matter of fact statement. Your argument is well taken though. Another alternative is Varys saying something like "I heard you were killed at Castle Black" and that being how it comes out, since its believe that Varys could have heard a rumor. Somehow it's coming out, and the Priestess had her chance already, so I think it will be Jon.
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3:27p, 7/25/17
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Don't most of the lords in the north know about Jon's death?
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In reply to smokeythebear • 3:31p, 7/25/17
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smokeythebear said:
wangus12 said:
I don't know. Jon doesn't seem to really enjoy bring up the dying thing. He's told Melisandre not to bring him back again if he dies and I'm not sure he's mentioned it to anyone else that wasn't at the Wall when it happened, except for Sansa.

He still isn't sure why he's back and he probably won't use it on his own. Its not something he's just gonna drop in the middle of a conversation. Maybe Mel is saving that little trinket until Jon/Dany come to a disagreement about Dany not helping him
Yea, plus he's going to be trying to convince Dany to help him fight "the undead". It might confuse things if he also admits he's been dead once before.

"No, I'm not undead. I was just dead, and then brought back alive. These are monsters that are dead, but still dead, but just not AS dead. It's really different than me."


Mel: Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
Sam: What's that?
Mel: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.

Would've been so much better delivered this way.
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In reply to redline248 • 3:34p, 7/25/17
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Don't most of the lords in the north know about Jon's death?
In the North, maybe. But no one in the Dany/Tyrion/Olenna/Ellyria conversation with Melisandre seemed to be aware. No one even knew he was in charge at Winterfell.
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3:41p, 7/25/17
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Awesome article on The Ringer from a dermatologist about Sam's surgery on Jorah's grayscale.

https://theringer.com/tv-game-of-thrones-sam-jorah-greyscale-surgery-dermatologist-assessment-9f979eef2da2
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 3:48p, 7/25/17
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aggie1906 said:


Read it and get back to us.
I've read it; but I think GRRM has insinuated that this story was a prototype for Westeros, and though many of the elements are the same it is not the same "world" as ASOIAF... (in fact, I think it's in the foreward for the new edition of "the Ice Dragon") So not confirmed it would follow the same rules.
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In reply to Bazooka Joe • 3:53p, 7/25/17
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Bazooka Joe said:
smokeythebear said:
wangus12 said:
I don't know. Jon doesn't seem to really enjoy bring up the dying thing. He's told Melisandre not to bring him back again if he dies and I'm not sure he's mentioned it to anyone else that wasn't at the Wall when it happened, except for Sansa.

He still isn't sure why he's back and he probably won't use it on his own. Its not something he's just gonna drop in the middle of a conversation. Maybe Mel is saving that little trinket until Jon/Dany come to a disagreement about Dany not helping him
Yea, plus he's going to be trying to convince Dany to help him fight "the undead". It might confuse things if he also admits he's been dead once before.

"No, I'm not undead. I was just dead, and then brought back alive. These are monsters that are dead, but still dead, but just not AS dead. It's really different than me."


Mel: Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
Sam: What's that?
Mel: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.

Would've been so much better delivered this way.
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4:08p, 7/25/17
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Has there been speculation that Varys knows Jon Snow's parentage? He's been in Kings Landing with his spies for a very long time. In the scene with the Red Priestess, he acted like "What's so special about Jon Snow?"
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In reply to Farmer1906 • 4:12p, 7/25/17
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aggie1906 said:
redline248 said:
Trident 88 said:
M.C. Swag said:
There's 11 episodes left (5 this season).

I wouldn't underestimate the ability of this show to sneak a sex scene in (see: grey worm/missandei)

11 episodes is closer to 1 season than 2. They just cut it in half and called it 2 seasons.

Grey Work and Missandei damn sure didn't happen overnight. Like I said, there's too much other stuff going on for the show to properly "explore" anything but an alliance between Dany and Jon. They both have too much separate relationship history for just banging out a quickie to make sense, and far too much on their plates to even be thinking about it. So, at best (and assuming they both live to the end), we end up with an arranged marriage between Aunt Dany and her nephew.
How long did it take Daario to go from swell sword captain to Queen's boy toy? Not long.
He just chopped those dude's heads off and walked in on her taking a bath.

I hear you, but Jon and Daario are very different characters. Jon isn't the type to do casual hook-ups, and he doesn't have anything on his mind right now except defeating the WWs and their army. And again, there's so much going on right now that I don't think the show has time to squeeze in this new relationship. Not without it feeling forced, anyway. But hey... I guess we should get a good indication of whether or not it's likely when they meet next episode.
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In reply to MW03 • 4:16p, 7/25/17
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MW03 said:
Awesome article on The Ringer from a dermatologist about Sam's surgery on Jorah's grayscale.

https://theringer.com/tv-game-of-thrones-sam-jorah-greyscale-surgery-dermatologist-assessment-9f979eef2da2
Well done article, ha!
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JJxvi said:
M.C. Swag said:
"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east, when the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. Only then would her womb quicken once again..."

^definitely doesn't seem like Dany will be having kids if the witches prophecy is believed. Although there are theories that justify it can happen...because of course there are.
Did they use that quote in the show and change it up like that? In the books its about Khal Drogo returning.

"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east," said Mirri Maz Duur. "When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quickens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return, and not before."
The prophecy has been fulfilled in the books and in the last Dany chapter it looks like she had a miscarriage or at the very least is having her normal menstrual flows again


"When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east," - satisfied when poor Quentin Martell (the sun) came from the west and was killed in the east by her dragons..i.e. set
"When the seas go dry" - likely refers to the Dohtraki sea..ie the grasslands. In her last chapter the grasslands are dry and browned, not the lush green they normally are
" and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. possibly refers to her other two dragons roosting in the great pyramids of Mereen shaking them to their foundations

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In reply to M.C. Swag • 4:19p, 7/25/17
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M.C. Swag said:
Good write-up!

Re: Vary's/Dany's convo....I just took their interaction at face value. I, as a viewer, wondered the same thing about Varys. His motivations from Season 1 compared to this current season are confusing. I just thought the show runners felt it was necessary to reconcile those motivations to the rest of us.
Probably because Season 1 was a close adaptations of the books. In the books Varys is following his own path and supporting another contender not in the show. So they needed to reconcile this. They basically wrote out Illyrio after season 1.
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In reply to redline248 • 4:19p, 7/25/17
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I'm not sure many people would accept him as king if he just flat out abandoned the nights watch. By that measure he would be an oath breaker like Jamie.
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In reply to Trident 88 • 4:21p, 7/25/17
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Trident 88 said:
aggie1906 said:
redline248 said:
Trident 88 said:
M.C. Swag said:
There's 11 episodes left (5 this season).

I wouldn't underestimate the ability of this show to sneak a sex scene in (see: grey worm/missandei)

11 episodes is closer to 1 season than 2. They just cut it in half and called it 2 seasons.

Grey Work and Missandei damn sure didn't happen overnight. Like I said, there's too much other stuff going on for the show to properly "explore" anything but an alliance between Dany and Jon. They both have too much separate relationship history for just banging out a quickie to make sense, and far too much on their plates to even be thinking about it. So, at best (and assuming they both live to the end), we end up with an arranged marriage between Aunt Dany and her nephew.
How long did it take Daario to go from swell sword captain to Queen's boy toy? Not long.
He just chopped those dude's heads off and walked in on her taking a bath.

I hear you, but Jon and Daario are very different characters. Jon isn't the type to do casual hook-ups, and he doesn't have anything on his mind right now except defeating the WWs and their army. And again, there's so much going on right now that I don't think the show has time to squeeze in this new relationship. Not without it feeling forced, anyway. But hey... I guess we should get a good indication of whether or not it's likely when they meet next episode.
Seems like a silly thing to argue about, but Jon & Ygritte hooked up pretty quickly and they were each other's prisoner with their minds on escaping and surviving north of the wall.

There is always time.
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4:22p, 7/25/17
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Trident 88 said:
aggie1906 said:
redline248 said:
Trident 88 said:
M.C. Swag said:
There's 11 episodes left (5 this season).

I wouldn't underestimate the ability of this show to sneak a sex scene in (see: grey worm/missandei)

11 episodes is closer to 1 season than 2. They just cut it in half and called it 2 seasons.

Grey Work and Missandei damn sure didn't happen overnight. Like I said, there's too much other stuff going on for the show to properly "explore" anything but an alliance between Dany and Jon. They both have too much separate relationship history for just banging out a quickie to make sense, and far too much on their plates to even be thinking about it. So, at best (and assuming they both live to the end), we end up with an arranged marriage between Aunt Dany and her nephew.
How long did it take Daario to go from swell sword captain to Queen's boy toy? Not long.
He just chopped those dude's heads off and walked in on her taking a bath.

I hear you, but Jon and Daario are very different characters. Jon isn't the type to do casual hook-ups, and he doesn't have anything on his mind right now except defeating the WWs and their army. And again, there's so much going on right now that I don't think the show has time to squeeze in this new relationship. Not without it feeling forced, anyway. But hey... I guess we should get a good indication of whether or not it's likely when they meet next episode.


Dany has fallen for the arranged, forced lover, the showboaty lover...maybe next it's the hard to get lover.
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HtownAg92 said:
SpreadsheetAg said:
Bazooka Joe said:
smokeythebear said:
wangus12 said:
I don't know. Jon doesn't seem to really enjoy bring up the dying thing. He's told Melisandre not to bring him back again if he dies and I'm not sure he's mentioned it to anyone else that wasn't at the Wall when it happened, except for Sansa.

He still isn't sure why he's back and he probably won't use it on his own. Its not something he's just gonna drop in the middle of a conversation. Maybe Mel is saving that little trinket until Jon/Dany come to a disagreement about Dany not helping him
Yea, plus he's going to be trying to convince Dany to help him fight "the undead". It might confuse things if he also admits he's been dead once before.

"No, I'm not undead. I was just dead, and then brought back alive. These are monsters that are dead, but still dead, but just not AS dead. It's really different than me."




Mel: Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
Sam: What's that?
Mel: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.

Would've been so much better delivered this way.
Sonny, true love is the greatest thing in the world. Except for a nice MLT, a mutton, lettuce and tomato sandwich, where the mutton is nice and lean and the tomato is ripe. They're so perky, I love that. But that's not what he said! He distinctly said "to blave." And, as we all know, "to blave" means "to bluff," huh? So you're probably playing cards, and he cheated


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In reply to GoneGirl • 5:33p, 7/25/17
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TxElsie said:
annie88 said:
Yeah I think like 5-6 months have passed in the show...

Except Cerseis hair still looks like crap!
It takes a while to go from bald to something you can work with.
Her hair was the same length at the end of last season.
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HtownAg92 said:
SpreadsheetAg said:
Bazooka Joe said:
smokeythebear said:
wangus12 said:
I don't know. Jon doesn't seem to really enjoy bring up the dying thing. He's told Melisandre not to bring him back again if he dies and I'm not sure he's mentioned it to anyone else that wasn't at the Wall when it happened, except for Sansa.

He still isn't sure why he's back and he probably won't use it on his own. Its not something he's just gonna drop in the middle of a conversation. Maybe Mel is saving that little trinket until Jon/Dany come to a disagreement about Dany not helping him
Yea, plus he's going to be trying to convince Dany to help him fight "the undead". It might confuse things if he also admits he's been dead once before.

"No, I'm not undead. I was just dead, and then brought back alive. These are monsters that are dead, but still dead, but just not AS dead. It's really different than me."


Mel: Whoo-hoo-hoo, look who knows so much. It just so happens that your friend here is only MOSTLY dead. There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive. With all dead, well, with all dead there's usually only one thing you can do.
Sam: What's that?
Mel: Go through his clothes and look for loose change.

Would've been so much better delivered this way.
Sonny, true love is the greatest thing in the world. Except for a nice MLT, a mutton, lettuce and tomato sandwich, where the mutton is nice and lean and the tomato is ripe. They're so perky, I love that. But that's not what he said! He distinctly said "to blave." And, as we all know, "to blave" means "to bluff," huh? So you're probably playing cards, and he cheated


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7:57p, 7/25/17
I thought Jon could warg into Ghost? Am I dreaming that?

Is it possible Tyrion is a mole in Dany's camp? He has uncharacteristically submitted to Dany, IMO.

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In reply to Wizard • 8:16p, 7/25/17
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I thought Jon could warg into Ghost? Am I dreaming that?

Is it possible Tyrion is a mole in Dany's camp? He has uncharacteristically submitted to Dany, IMO.


In the books John could warg into Ghost. Though I don't think he had the same intensity of experience as Bran and Arya.

Tyrion hates Cersei, murdered his father, and is the smartest character in the show. He's not playing a con.
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Wizard said:
I thought Jon could warg into Ghost? Am I dreaming that?

Is it possible Tyrion is a mole in Dany's camp? He has uncharacteristically submitted to Dany, IMO.


Jon and Arya both have uncontrolled warging in their sleep, but they can't control it like Bran (or haven't really even thought about trying to).

Tyrion had to accept basically the only option he had after killing his father. Now I think he actually believes in her. She has also made him Hand, not as a stand-in for his father, but because she sees value in him (what he has always wanted others to acknowledge).
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In reply to Sapper Redux • 8:37p, 7/25/17
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What if he plays everyone to become king?
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In reply to TheVarian • 9:31p, 7/25/17
TheVarian said:
What if he plays everyone to become king?


That's my point. Highly unlikely but if I had to pick one character that's intelligent enough to scheme and pull that off it's Tyrion.
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In reply to TheVarian • 9:40p, 7/25/17
TheVarian said:
What if he plays everyone to become king?

He doesn't want the throne, he wants Casterly Rock. Which he'll get if Dany wins.
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In reply to TheVarian • 9:51p, 7/25/17
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TheVarian said:
What if he plays everyone to become king?
It's a fun hypothetical, but just doesn't fit Tyrion's character... he wants to be taken seriously as a Lannister and leader of his house. I don't think he wants to rule a kingdom, except in a supporting role as hand.
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