El Hombre Mas Guapo said:

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In the books - the Iron fleet destroyed the high garden fleet and took the three shield islands? I bet that's his gift - crush the high garden rebels and bring the sand snakes in for justice

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That is a long sail all the way around Dorne to the Shields:

See interactive map

So are we assuming that Ellaria and the sand snakes are going to be in Dragonstone at some point next episode?

CFTXAG10 said:

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So are we assuming that Ellaria and the sand snakes are going to be in Dragonstone at some point next episode?

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Maybe one or the other. The power of Dorne is a largely untouched army.

Ol Jock 99 said:

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I don't think anyone in Westeros has a clue about the true nature of the dragons. Remember, the last known dragons were stunted mini versions. Dog sized.

It is going to be shock and awe.

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I agree with this. No one in Westeros has seen Dany's dragons first hand yet. Dragons are the equivalent of nukes in medieval warfare. Moreover, they're as big as 747s now. If you had to "catch" an airborne, fire-breathing 747 with breath so hot it melts stone, how would you do it? If that's what Euron is after, he must have the horn.

G Martin 87 said:

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Ol Jock 99 said:

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I don't think anyone in Westeros has a clue about the true nature of the dragons. Remember, the last known dragons were stunted mini versions. Dog sized.

It is going to be shock and awe.

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I agree with this. No one in Westeros has seen Dany's dragons first hand yet. Dragons are the equivalent of nukes in medieval warfare. Moreover, they're as big as 747s now. If you had to "catch" an airborne, fire-breathing 747 with breath so hot it melts stone, how would you do it? If that's what Euron is after, he must have the horn.

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Or he's ignorant and he's going to get burned... like Quentyn Martell

SpreadsheetAg said:

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G Martin 87 said:

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Ol Jock 99 said:

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I don't think anyone in Westeros has a clue about the true nature of the dragons. Remember, the last known dragons were stunted mini versions. Dog sized.

It is going to be shock and awe.

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I agree with this. No one in Westeros has seen Dany's dragons first hand yet. Dragons are the equivalent of nukes in medieval warfare. Moreover, they're as big as 747s now. If you had to "catch" an airborne, fire-breathing 747 with breath so hot it melts stone, how would you do it? If that's what Euron is after, he must have the horn.

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Or he's ignorant and he's going to get burned... like Quentyn Martell

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Or maybe he'll give Cersei the horn, but leave out the important safety warning. (A mortal man cannot blow the horn and live, but the dragons will obey the horn's "master" anyway.) Cersei blows the horn, burns to death from within, and Euron takes over the dragons during the battle. q.v. http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Dragonbinder

And thinking further, there's the "no mortal man" provision. What if The Mountain blows it?

No the mountain won't blow it.

imo "No mortal man" is setting up the night's king, Jon, or Dany to be the one to blow it. And it'll wake up the stone dragon in Dragonstone.

OnlyForNow said:

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No the mountain won't blow it.

imo "No mortal man" is setting up the night's king, Jon, or Dany to be the one to blow it. And it'll wake up the stone dragon in Dragonstone.

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the Valyrian glyphs on the horn read, "I am Dragonbinder ... No mortal man should sound me and live ... Blood for fire, fire for blood."

Moqorro says whoever blows the horn will die but any dragons that hear will obey the horn's master. The red priest says Victarion must be made the horn's master and he must claim the horn with blood.

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Sounds like the Targaryen words there... and note it says the horn's master will be obeyed (not the blower). And that the horn must be claimed with blood. i.e. Victarion must kill Euron (in the books) to claim the horn? Else, Euron will be the horn / dragon's master if/when it is blown.

M.C. Swag said:

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It's just logic. Cersei has never met either of them. Dead or alive, they do nothing for her. They've already joined Dany along with their ships. Killing them doesn't solve any problems ....certainly not to the level of qualifying as 'priceless.'

Dragonglass (maybe), Tyrion, or the actual dragons themselves would be priceless. It's 1 of those three he'll attempt to bring back.

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I think you need to reread my post. I said dragons is the priceless gift.

Zombie Jon Snow said:

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bangobango said:

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Ol Jock 99 said:

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Cersei doesn't give a single eff about them though.

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Not sure where you are getting that from. And Euron wouldn't know that anyways. We have heard the dragons referred to as priceless throughout the series. Only thing I can think of that Euron would consider priceless.

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Euron wants their heads (Yara and Theon) more than Cersei does - that makes no sense. If he just wanted their heads he would have just gone after them himself.

candidates

1. the horn
2. tyrion or his head
3. dragon(s) or their head(s)
4. dragonglass
5. a bigger army/allies

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Obviously, I did not explain myself well in my previous post.

I think the priceless gift will be a dragon. I think he may deliver something else as A gift, but I do not think that is the only thing he will deliver or try to deliver. I think he is going for the dragons, the other thing is just a collateral gift, so to speak. And I agree, I do not think Cersi will be impresses if that is all he brings to her.

You quoted someone talking about the Greyjoy siblings

SeattleAgJr said:

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There will be no damn horn in the TV show.

It has not been introduced up to this point; it will not be some 11th hour McGuffin.

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Wrong use of mcguffin. The cats paw is the closest thing to a mcguffin in the show.

There is way too much stuff going on for there not to be some kind of dues ex machina.

You did, but then your last sentence that is blacked out mentioned Euron bringing back Theon and Yara's heads as gifts.

Apologies if I misunderstood. The post was a little confusing.

Duncan Idaho said:

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SeattleAgJr said:

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There will be no damn horn in the TV show.

It has not been introduced up to this point; it will not be some 11th hour McGuffin.

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Wrong use of mcguffin. The cats paw is the closest thing to a mcguffin in the show.

There is way too much stuff going on for there not to be some kind of dues ex machina.

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Disagree. Plenty of options other than inserting a mcguffin or deus ex machina (for the record, I had to look up each of those terms and yes I hated typing that).

As it stands, we have a crazy queen with access to huge amount of wildfire, multiple large standing armies, two armadas, three dragons, a few Valaryian blades, a faceless woman, Melisandre, Sam at the Citadel, Jon, Dany, the new BWOB, and of course, the Nights King, the WW's, and a horde of wights.

Nothing new needs to be added for Westeros to tear itself to shreds.

I really hope they don't bring the horn in to the picture. But the more I think about it, Euron, and the "gift" I am thinking that is what is going to happen. Then of course there is this.

Zombie Jon Snow said:

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bangobango said:

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Ol Jock 99 said:

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Cersei doesn't give a single eff about them though.

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Not sure where you are getting that from. And Euron wouldn't know that anyways. We have heard the dragons referred to as priceless throughout the series. Only thing I can think of that Euron would consider priceless.

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Euron wants their heads (Yara and Theon) more than Cersei does - that makes no sense. If he just wanted their heads he would have just gone after them himself.

candidates

1. the horn
2. tyrion or his head
3. dragon(s) or their head(s)
4. dragonglass
5. a bigger army/allies

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He gonna show her the goods:

Any chance that his "gift" has something to do with the area south of the wall known as "the gift"? I'm not sure how it could, but with this story every word choice can have multiple meanings.

Also, when Sansa said she knows what Littlefinger wants she really doesn't. She thinks that he is in love, but all he wants is power. I think Littlefinger would leave the North and join whichever side of the fight that will give him the most power at the end.

I just think the horn makes sense. Heads of people are wonderful, but this is the "war season," and without something to hinder dragons the war is going to be extremely lopsided. One side can't win that easily. Maybe it ends up being a different object, but the point will be the same.

Why can't one side win that easy?

I'm down to the gift being either the head of the sand snakes, elleria will be left alive; or the horn.

Also,

Belton Ag said:

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Also,

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For God's sake, tell us!

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What a tease!

boboguitar said:

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It's too late, GRRM already killed him.

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My bad! I wrote that and got interrupted by work and then couldn't figure out what I was going to say.

It was a comment on something someone else wrote though.

whether it's the horn, a **** load of arrows and spears, or the night king, someone is going to take out a dragon or two. Everything will be too easy for Danny with three full grown badass dragons.

Maybe the dragons will get grayscale and Sam and Jorah will have the cure and that will get him into bed with Dany.