Good point from Reddit about how May comes out of the framework seemingly unscathed while fitz is a mess (even though they are both HYDRA and both do bad things).

May's pivot point in the framework happens when she is an adult working for SHIELD (the inhuman girl). Her story up to that point is basically the same.

Fitz has had his entire childhood reworked and effed by his old man. His entire existence has been altered. His mind is so fubar'd right now.

I did find it interesting how even though he realized/regretted everything he did, he still felt something for "Ophelia."

He and Simmons never catch a break.

This was definitely the best episode in quite a while, and they found a fairly compelling way to conclude that part of this arc.

was just thinking, does May's ex-husband exist in the framework?

They could just 3-D print Lash and turn him loose on Ophelia.

Also, being able to 3-D print people with super powers seems like a really big deal, like an avengers-level big deal.

Yeah, however this 'Ophelia', the real woman with super powers, plays out, its almost certainly going to involve dumb writing.

Having the team beat her back to the real world so she couldn't kill them while they were still in it was a great way to conclude the story. You can have Fitz be suffering emotional trauma, and when she shows up, he kills her. Her getting killed moments after becoming human after all her work to get to that point would have been a nice way to wrap up this arc. Instead, the last two episodes of this season will have to deal with some pretty ridiculous stuff to defeat her and save Fitz.

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Yeah, however this 'Ophelia', the real woman with super powers, plays out, its almost certainly going to involve dumb writing.

Having the team beat her back to the real world so she couldn't kill them while they were still in it was a great way to conclude the story. You can have Fitz be suffering emotional trauma, and when she shows up, he kills her. Her getting killed moments after becoming human after all her work to get to that point would have been a nice way to wrap up this arc. Instead, the last two episodes of this season will have to deal with some pretty ridiculous stuff to defeat her and save Fitz.

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just have robbie reyes show up at the 11th hour, say "you've gone over your data limit" and fry her with his chain links of justice.

I'm still not convinced we are definitely done with the Framework. It would be hard to believe they let a character like Mack go two episodes before the end.

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I'm still not convinced we are definitely done with the Framework. It would be hard to believe they let a character like Mack go two episodes before the end.

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on the weekly speculation thread on reddit, someone suggested that Yo-Yo should go into the Framework and tell Mack that she's pregnant with his REAL child, and that they need him in the real world.

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Beat40 said:

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I'm still not convinced we are definitely done with the Framework. It would be hard to believe they let a character like Mack go two episodes before the end.

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on the weekly speculation thread on reddit, someone suggested that Yo-Yo should go into the Framework and tell Mack that she's pregnant with his REAL child, and that they need him in the real world.

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What if they're STILL IN the framework?!?! We must go deeper.

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Beat40 said:

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I'm still not convinced we are definitely done with the Framework. It would be hard to believe they let a character like Mack go two episodes before the end.

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on the weekly speculation thread on reddit, someone suggested that Yo-Yo should go into the Framework and tell Mack that she's pregnant with his REAL child, and that they need him in the real world.

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Oooo, he'd be so pissed if it wasn't true. Like unforgivable pissed.

I'm not sure how they can realistically get Mack out of the framework.

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I'm not sure how they can realistically get Mack out of the framework.

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Sending in Yoyo would be a good, realistic way to do it. I just think that "pregnancy" thing is a bit touchy.

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Beat40 said:

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I'm still not convinced we are definitely done with the Framework. It would be hard to believe they let a character like Mack go two episodes before the end.

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on the weekly speculation thread on reddit, someone suggested that Yo-Yo should go into the Framework and tell Mack that she's pregnant with his REAL child, and that they need him in the real world.

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Oooo, he'd be so pissed if it wasn't true. Like unforgivable pissed.

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Does Yo-Yo reveal herself to be Kelly Kapoor?

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Squirrel Master said:

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I'm not sure how they can realistically get Mack out of the framework.

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Sending in Yoyo would be a good, realistic way to do it. I just think that "pregnancy" thing is a bit touchy.

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Fair enough, there probably is a feasible way that involves this.

I have to be honest, I am kind of glad it didn't work out that way.

I'm hoping the Rockets/Spurs game ends at 9 tonight, but not likely! Don't have DVR!

May couldn't walk, presumably from muscle atrophy.
She was pretty worked over.

Game starts at 7, so if it's a blow out (which based on this series, could be either team), then Shield will get my undivided attention.

I'm going with 2 screens tonight though in the case of a close game. Just to be on the safe side.

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May couldn't walk, presumably from muscle atrophy.
She was pretty worked over.

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I was talking emotionally. She woke up ready to kick ass, tired or not. Fitz is an emotional wreck. To be fair, may is a soldier, fitz is not.

May was also living the same life in the framework as she lives in the real world. Fitz was a completely different person.

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May was also living the same life in the framework as she lives in the real world. Fitz was a completely different person.

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Which is what I said at the top of the page

Does anyone know what goes into TV ratings these days? I know that it's the Nielsen rating, but how much does that factor? Is it measuring by how many tvs are tuned in at the time of viewing? Does it account for DVR viewing? On-Demand? Hulu? Official website/mobile viewing etc?

I know that Shield's ratings have been down this year but it seems like a lot of people still watch it, so I wasn't sure

I think DVR counts if it's viewed within 24 hours. I could be wrong though.

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redline248 said:

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May was also living the same life in the framework as she lives in the real world. Fitz was a completely different person.

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Which is what I said at the top of the page

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Well, yeah, but that was like 5 days ago and I forgot, and thought the recent comments were new commentary.

Ha, I may have to do the same!

hmm, just got to thinking, what happened to Bobbie and Hunter in the framework? Short answer is that the actors didn't want to be in it, or weren't asked to be in it. one major problem though. Without Bobbie/Hunter in the framework, where did all the inhumans come from?

Bobbie was stationed on the SHIELD ship with the Hive Portal Rock when HYDRA tries their coup. They were ordered by Nick Fury to scuttle the ship, but instead they managed to take the ship back and run their own shadow version of SHIELD.

Then we go through the whole story arc of them trying to take control away from Coulson, b/c they didn't think he was fit to lead. In the process, p*ssing off Daisy's mother, leading to the confrontation on the ship and the spilling of the terrigen that leads to the big fish oil inhuman outbreak.

So....how does the inhuman outbreak get kickstarted in the framework?

I'm pretty sure none of that matters. Aida could write it however she wanted. She came into existence after the inhuman outbreak, so in her perception, there were always inhumans. I don't think she needed an accurate history to create that world.

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I'm pretty sure none of that matters. Aida could write it however she wanted. She came into existence after the inhuman outbreak, so in her perception, there were always inhumans. I don't think she needed an accurate history to create that world.

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aida doesn't control the framework. it was created by the darkhold. the only thing she changes is each character's biggest regret.

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I'm pretty sure none of that matters. Aida could write it however she wanted. She came into existence after the inhuman outbreak, so in her perception, there were always inhumans. I don't think she needed an accurate history to create that world.

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aida doesn't control the framework. it was created by the darkhold. the only thing she changes is each character's biggest regret.

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I thought what's his name (the British guy...sucks to get old) did the coding/programming, then Aida modified it through help from the Darkhold.

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I'm pretty sure none of that matters. Aida could write it however she wanted. She came into existence after the inhuman outbreak, so in her perception, there were always inhumans. I don't think she needed an accurate history to create that world.

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aida doesn't control the framework. it was created by the darkhold. the only thing she changes is each character's biggest regret.

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I thought what's his name (the British guy...sucks to get old) did the coding/programming, then Aida modified it through help from the Darkhold.

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Right. I don't agree that the darkhold "controls" the framework.

the darkhold had the knowledge of people and events to create a realistic world. how else do you have ward and tripp and all the other intricacies? a realistic physics model? billions of sentient simulated people with feelings?

They created the framework, but the darkhold populated it.

Or the writers just threw in some popular characters for some feel goods