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If we're talking claims based on Baratheon lineage
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Last: 8 yr ago by hunter2012
Why is Bran crossed out?
And Rickon
Because those story lines have been finished or continued.
Edit: What aggie1906 said
Yeah, I totally overlooked Blackfish and Asha/Yara, and thought it was just characters that were dead.
I wonder how many episodes have to go by before we can throw the Sand Snakes in there. (Not that I'm complaining.)
I say 5. That is half a normal season. The dogs went right away though.
quote:A Great Council would be held. It would not "fall" to anyone.
It would fall to Margarey, and then any male heir if she were to have one. If not, she could remarry and the throne would then go her new husband, I think.
The Great Council may very well decide to give the throne to the Tyrells who are very popular.
Claimants possible in the show only:
Margaery - Pretty weak unless she turns out to be pregnant by Tommen
Head of House Velaryon - This would be a stretch in the show since this House isn't featured much, but the Velaryons do have quite a bit of Targaryen blood. This House revolted against Joff/Tommen but not sure it would matter in a Great Council
Gendry - Unlikely unless he was backed by the smallfolk or a legitmacy decree was discovered after Robert's death
Other basterds of Robert's like Edric Storm - See above, would have to be backed by smallfolk or legitimized some other way
Dany - Most likely
quote:There's NO WAY the High Sparrow would have someone assassinated. I totally agree that he is conniving and tricky, but he's only considered a "bad guy" because he's messing up everyone's plans to rule the kingdom. I believe that he really is a good person who is trying to spread the message of living a pious life. That's just not well received by many of the other power brokers in KL.
The High Sparrow will have Tommen assassinated with clues pointing at the Tyrells. Margaery will gleefully take the Iron Throne. Lannister vs Tyrell with the Faith Militant swooping in to pick up the pieces.
How come Benjen was never in it?
quote:Because someone dropped the damn ball.
How come Benjen was never in it?
Good point. Then again didn't he have like 5 minutes of total screentime? The only reason people remembered him is cause he was a Stark.
Yea, I don't really see any way that a Lannister would have a claim to the throne. Being next in line for Casterly Rock has nothing to do with being next in line for the Seven Kingdoms.
In terms of simple "rules of succession", I can't imagine many people would just call for Dany to come take a seat. Her family was very clearly removed from power forcibly. All seven kingdoms declared loyalty to the Baratheon bloodline and denounced the Targaryen bloodline. This means a distant Baratheon cousin would be in line before a Targaryen in pure "rules of succession". That being said, she could certainly make a case to switch everyone back to her allegiance, but that would be more by act of force than by "rules of succession".
In terms of simple "rules of succession", I can't imagine many people would just call for Dany to come take a seat. Her family was very clearly removed from power forcibly. All seven kingdoms declared loyalty to the Baratheon bloodline and denounced the Targaryen bloodline. This means a distant Baratheon cousin would be in line before a Targaryen in pure "rules of succession". That being said, she could certainly make a case to switch everyone back to her allegiance, but that would be more by act of force than by "rules of succession".
quote:Yet the dogs made the boat????
Good point. Then again didn't he have like 5 minutes of total screentime? The only reason people remembered him is cause he was a Stark.
gendry hadn't started rowing yet. Benjen had no boat to get in....
Can we get Nymeria in there too? Soon it will just be Gendry and a bunch of dogs.
quote:He's a good person. Just like the Taliban. They're just trying to get people to live pious lives, right? It's not their fault that torturing people for minor crimes isn't well received.
There's NO WAY the High Sparrow would have someone assassinated. I totally agree that he is conniving and tricky, but he's only considered a "bad guy" because he's messing up everyone's plans to rule the kingdom. I believe that he really is a good person who is trying to spread the message of living a pious life. That's just not well received by many of the other power brokers in KL.
Haven't the sparrows gone around the city, beating people in the streets?
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Haven't the sparrows gone around the city, beating people in the streets?
Yes. And wasted all the wine/ale
What about that whole plotline with the Bankers of Braavos? lol Wasn't that supposed to go somewhere?
and closed all the Bordellos.... poor LF losing all that income....
Haha, yea I'm not sure if the Faith of the Seven has all that in common with the Taliban, but I get your point.
You're right that many of the sparrows are quite zealous, but I don't think the High Sparrow himself is purposely trying to be dastardly enough to attempt an assassination. This is from his wiki: "Although the High Sparrow seems a harmless old man, he has a will of steel. His pious devotion is genuine and deep-rooted, hiding no ulterior political motives. As a result, he cannot be bribed or easily intimidated."
In fact, I think the High Sparrow is quite excited to have Tommen in his congregation. Perhaps Tommen can learn some leadership skills from him. He's certainly a better influence than Tommen's mom.
You're right that many of the sparrows are quite zealous, but I don't think the High Sparrow himself is purposely trying to be dastardly enough to attempt an assassination. This is from his wiki: "Although the High Sparrow seems a harmless old man, he has a will of steel. His pious devotion is genuine and deep-rooted, hiding no ulterior political motives. As a result, he cannot be bribed or easily intimidated."
In fact, I think the High Sparrow is quite excited to have Tommen in his congregation. Perhaps Tommen can learn some leadership skills from him. He's certainly a better influence than Tommen's mom.
quote:WAIT WHAT?!?!?!?! OH ****, I TOTALLY FORGOT THIS! **** THOSE A**HOLES!!quote:
Haven't the sparrows gone around the city, beating people in the streets?
Yes. And wasted all the wine/ale
quote:Haha, yea toss the bankers in the boat too!
What about that whole plotline with the Bankers of Braavos? lol Wasn't that supposed to go somewhere?
Bankers are going to back Dorne in their attack on King's Landing.
Yeah, what's the source on that wiki? One can argue he already took a bribe when he made a deal with Cersei to reinstate that faith militant. That was a political move.
Also, we don't know anything about him other than hearsay.
Also, we don't know anything about him other than hearsay.
Still, enforcing a strict religious law isn't accomplished by assassinating a teenage king that is widely liked by the people of the city.
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Still, enforcing a strict religious law isn't accomplished by assassinating a teenage king that is widely liked by the people of the city.
I like how you phrased that "people of the city" I mean really isn't Tommen just king of Kings Landing, Casterly Rock and The Freys at this point?
quote:How would that accomplish them getting their Stannis money back?
Bankers are going to back Dorne in their attack on King's Landing.
quote:What was the bribe? She offered him to reinstate the faith militant and he accepted. If she did it intending to get in his good graces, then she was mistaken because he soon had her behind bars.
Yeah, what's the source on that wiki? One can argue he already took a bribe when he made a deal with Cersei to reinstate that faith militant. That was a political move.
No one is saying he doesn't make political moves, just that he doesn't hide any ulterior political motivations. He's never saying one thing but meaning another and he's never trying to sneak up on someone and kill them just for his own personal gain.
I mean, he's clearly a villain in the show, but I just think he's probably pretty predictable in motivations and priorities. He knows all the high born families in Kings Landing are full of corruption and greed and he plans to hold them accountable for their actions. Doesn't go much further than that really.
The High Sparrow said he didn't have the power to call off the walk of atonement, only the higher power could do that. Then the king and queen agree join forces with the HS and poof, no walk of atonement needed. That's deceptive.
That's because the HS is full of ****.