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Sh****dog's death bothered me more than any human being death since the Red Wedding.

(Rightful king of Westeros, Stannis the Mannis alive and presumed foraging for berries in the North)

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I hated Gray Wind's death too. Shot down in a cage. Basterd Cowerd's! I wish Arya had gotten over there faster to let him out. I know it wasn't her fault, but wish she could've.

Absolutely. Sansa's character has undergone a huge change, and she's a pretty strong character at this point.

I was merely pointing out that Sansa ****ting on Jon Snow in Season 1 wasn't much different from how she treated most others.

Yep.

She'll sure as hell treat him better now!

Where do you guys see Sam going from here? He was sent by Jon, but Jon's obviously no longer in a position to benefit from Sam becoming a maester. Will he change directions somehow once he finds out about Jon? I feel like his loyalty to Jon will somehow supercede his devotion to the Nights Watch, while still keeping his oath. Otherwise his story is just a dead end. Or will his role be simply to give some background information to viewers only...?

Well Sam did say he always wanted to be a Maester, so NW or no I think that's the route he goes. Only thing that gives me pause is that he's not going to probably have time to become a Maester by the end of the series.

Oh yes, I understand, I've just been very pleased with Sansa's development as I called out at her a few times during season one to quit being the little prissy *****!

So I guess, if Shag gydog is dead (and I hope he's not). We're only down to Summer, Nymeria and Ghost?

Lady got a raw deal too.

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Well Sam did say he always wanted to be a Maester, so NW or no I think that's the route he goes. Only thing that gives me pause is that he's not going to probably have time to become a Maester by the end of the series.

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Exactly. And when he gets back Jon will have been long gone. Which is why I'm wondering if he ends up taking a different role. Besides, his role in the scenes of the show couldn't be just him sitting around studying. Otherwise he'll disappear from the show completely.

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Dawn isn't valyrian steel.

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Just double checked this and you are right. Something called milkglass, I just assumed it was since it was passed down to warriors who were worthy.

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Well Sam did say he always wanted to be a Maester, so NW or no I think that's the route he goes. Only thing that gives me pause is that he's not going to probably have time to become a Maester by the end of the series.

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Exactly. And when he gets back Jon will have been long gone. Which is why I'm wondering if he ends up taking a different role. Besides, his role in the scenes of the show couldn't be just him sitting around studying. Otherwise he'll disappear from the show completely.

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Characters have got to start disappearing from the show if they hope to get this thing wrapped up. I'm guessing he either stays with the girl and her boy or he goes back to castle black. Either way, he won't get a ton of screen time.

Same thing is happening with other "fringe" characters that keep getting mentioned in this thread. I know it's fun to speculate and come up with theories about how they may be relevant but the truth of the matter is that most of them served a purpose in the show and are likely done (save for a quick cameo here and there).

Sam's presence is only necessary to show the happenings in Oldtown, in the book at least. With the Sand Snakes taking a different role in the show and the faceless man staying in Braavos, I'm not sure how Oldtown becomes relevant on the show.

In Westeros, Olly is practically old enough to be tried as an adult. Compare it to girls being marriage material literally the day they have their first period.

Might be my biggest complaint through the whole series. In the books, there are way too many knight prodigies out there kicking ass at age 15

I think in the show there are no characters older than 20 or younger than 40.

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Might be my biggest complaint through the whole series. In the books, there are way too many knight prodigies out there kicking ass at age 15

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Think of it as their video games....it's all they do from birth. they should be pretty damn good by 15.

People come ON! Oldtown, backstory on swords, the Riverlands...we already have a ton of storyline to wrap-up or combine. You can't put everything from ~10k of book into 75 episodes of TV.

favorite GOT deaths:

10. Alliser Thorne - sorry dude, you don't do that to Jon
9. Meryn Trant - Arya brings the pain
8. Myranda - sadistic but hot, too bad she can't fly
7. Janos Slynt - useless ass kiss
6. Tywin - happy fathers day, grumpy old *******
5. Viserys - punk
4. Kraznys Mo Nakloz - don't be talking about the mother of dragons like that
3. Lysa - crazy B needed to die
2. Olly - little ****
1. Joffrey - evil incarnate


Worst GOT deaths - not in terms of being gory in terms of gut wrenching and mostly characters i liked (no direwolves included)

10. The Hound - if indeed he did die, he had some good qualities and he was funny
9. Renly - bad way to go, doesn't seem fair to be killed by something you can't defend yourself from
8. Ygritte - well it was inevitable but....come on Olly you little ****
7. Barristan Selmy - damn, he fought long and hard
6. Khal Drogo - tough SOB, that was not a good way to go for a warrior
5. Catelyn - oooof, thats a bummer, at least she took out a Frey
4. Shireen - seriously f'ed up, thanks dad
3. Robb - well remember that thing about betrayal, still terrible and watching Talisa die too with child. ugh
2. Oberyn - he was so cool, but he taunted and you never taunt
1. Ned - ugh, the ultimate man of honor


deaths i'm looking forward to

1. Ramsay
2. Cersei
3. The Sparrow just cuz too pompous
4. Tommen - just for seeing cersei suffer really, not a bad kid per se
5. Walder Frey - paybacks
6. The Mountain part II - cuz whoever kills him is badass
7. Ilyn Payne - cuz he killed Ned, still mad
8. Jaqen - just cuz again he is a badass assassin, so whoever takes him out, gonna be epic
9. Jorah - we know he is dying anyway, gonna be in some cool way for Dany i'm sure
10. Jaime - i don't really want to see him die unless its while choking Cersei out ala the prophecy

Is it true Meryn Trant was killed because the actor in real life was dying of cancer?

Is Payne still even in the show? They basically have cut him out, correct?

I wonder how long Sam would even need to forge a lot of his links as a maester. He already knows a lot about a lot, and he seems to be a good student if in his element.

I could definitely see him learning something or being approached by a character like Marwyn to derail the reason he thinks he is there. "Come with me Sam. We have been waiting for you. Much has been discovered, and time is of the essence." (Sam sighs) "I thought I was going to get to read and **** Gilly in peace."

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Something is brewing in Oldtown in the books at least. Sam's role will be to uncover what the Maesters have been up to all this time.

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Didn't a magic candle start burning at the Citadel or something when the dragons hatched? I may be confusing this with the Kingkiller Chronicles.

No that is right. It's a glass candle I believe?