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jokershady said:

TCTTS said:

I would be shocked if those budget numbers are true. Yes, the movie went through reshoots, but that would be, like, one of the top two or three most expensive movies ever made, if not the most expensive ever.
you gotta remember though this film went through 3 re-shoots….with one of them dang near remaking the entire film and shooting additional action scenes that they never planned on….this sucker was expensive
think I got my numbers mixed up in my memory….from doing some reading it was 2 sets of reshoots and 3 additional action sequences were shot….
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rhutton125 said:

Supposedly only 22 days of reshoots. Maybe not as extensive as we'd heard..?
22 days seems like a lot to me. But I don't really know anything about the topic.
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Someone on Reddit posted a video sifting through the misinformation re: ballooned budget. I did not watch, but here's one guy's recap:

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Reshoots: The source of the reshoot concerns was Jeff Sneider reporting the film would enter 5 months of reshoots (Jan-May 2024), he "broke" this shortly after the film got a major delay. Without any contrary information people basically took this and ran with it for like half a year. Then on May 31st 2024 Hollywood Reporter cleared everything up that no reshoots had yet taken place, the previous rumours were untrue, and that the film was only just entering its reshoots which would last 22 days. Which is a shorter reshoot period that Endgame, Doctor Strange 2 or the Marvels. THR revealed these reshoots were only for 3 specific action sequences to improve them after test screening feedback, bringing back the fight co-ordinator from Winter Soldier, Civil War and Infinity War. Then, later, they had to do a few pick-up shots (which is standard for basically every movie just to improve the flow of the edit) but this got falsely reported as another set of reshoots. So a lot of fans have held onto the idea the BNW has had 3 rounds of reshoots to redo a lot of the movie, when in reality it's had 1 set of reshoots which were shorter than some MCU movies people love.

Delay: The delay was due to a) the strike and b) Disney/Marvel listening to feedback on recent projects and deciding to refocus on quality instead of getting **** out as quick as possible. They delayed basically everything out of 2024, leaving only Deadpool, to ensure that the projects currently in production got as much time as they needed. Rather than crunching them to a deadline and risking negative reception like Quantumania.

Budget: An unreliable source reported the budget to be over $350 million, blaming reshoots. It was just total bull***** A more reliable source has now confirmed it to be $180 million. Lower than every Marvel film since Shang-Chi.

Test Screenings: There were reports of test screenings "bombing". This section of the video is a little 'he said, she said' but basically the reports of the bomb were one source reporter by another unreliable leaker. The initial test screenings were mostly positive except for underwhelming action, which is why the reshoots hired the guy and focussed on revamping those set pieces. The film is mostly unchanged and has apparently had better reactions than reported.
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Thanks for posting. That seems to clear up a lot.
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This looks 1000% amaze balls

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Jose Cruuuuuuuuuuuuz said:

This looks 1000% amaze balls


Didn't know a lot about this one but I am stoked, looks like a blast and love the art direction choices.

(great username btw)
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fig96 said:

Jose Cruuuuuuuuuuuuz said:

This looks 1000% amaze balls


Didn't know a lot about this one but I am stoked, looks like a blast and love the art direction choices.

(great username btw)
I agree 100% about the art. Right off the pages of the comics. In some ways as cool a choice as the Spider-verse version. Loved the brief look of Dr. Strange and the others as well.
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Yet another actor sabotaging his own film. Odd...

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Here's a longer clip. Dude should have tried to make his point without that opening line. Oof. Not a good way to sell tickets.

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StandUpforAmerica said:

Yet another actor sabotaging his own film. Odd...


How will Anthony Mackie recover from having people love a tweet by moronic shock jock ultra-right wing ****face idiot Charlie Spiering?
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Why do they never learn?
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Costume and name aside, Cap hasn't really been a ra ra America type character in a long time. Almost by necessity - if Winter Soldier or Civil War were too "American" these films might never have gotten as big as they've gotten worldwide.
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This movie needs all the help it can get with getting people to buy tickets. It may have been a slip of the tongue, but regardless, I don't think it helps that goal.
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That's disappointing to see that quote.

I recall some talk about possibly changing the name of the first movie because of all this anti-America bullcrap that significant portions of Hollywood has had for years now. Marvel elected to ignore that stupidity, and the movie did pretty well and remains one of my favorites from the MCU. The character's name is literally Captain America, regardless of which character actually carries the shield. The character came about in the WWII time frame, and all of his movies have maintained that persona.

What was Hydra if not a Nazi-like organization full of tyrants? Remember that Cap had "punched Adolf Hitler in the face" 1000 times per the First Avenger. Foiling Red Skull's attack on American targets by crashing the plane in the Arctic, and sacrificing himself in the process, is a real world example of that. Taking down Hydra's heli-carriers was another example of that. Standing up to a UN-like organization by telling them the accords were wrong and refusing to abide by those dictates was yet another example, even if it meant becoming a criminal himself.

I realize I just described Steve Rogers. Sam Wilson is a different character, although he is an American (if we consider someone from Louisiana to be American /I kid). He still carries that shield and he still represents the values that Steve Rogers fought for.

I will still see Brave New World since I've long been a fan of the Captain America character, and I liked the Falcon character when he was brought into the MCU in Winter Soldier. I enjoyed the series Falcon and the Winter Soldier, particularly for the back story they gave us for Sam. But Anthony Mackie is dead-ass wrong with that quote.
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I actually thought they tackled his character representing the mantle of Captain "America" pretty well in the TV show. The eye roll portion of that show was much more of the bad guy plot than the narrative of him taking over for Steve.

Although again, the main person he is fighting hand to hand could have had the nickname Big Red.
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Definitely Not A Cop said:

This movie needs all the help it can get with getting people to buy tickets. It may have been a slip of the tongue, but regardless, I don't think it helps that goal.
I just get weary of the 5-second clip defining the whole rest of time.
What else did he say?
Where was he?
What was the context?

And it's OK for him to think of America differently. I'm guessing young Anthony Mackie had quite a different experience than young Chris Evans.
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Nobody said it wasn't ok for him to think it. It's also ok for people to think that's a stupid position for the guy playing Captain America to take, and not want to see the movie because of that.
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Jose Cruuuuuuuuuuuuz said:

Definitely Not A Cop said:

This movie needs all the help it can get with getting people to buy tickets. It may have been a slip of the tongue, but regardless, I don't think it helps that goal.
I just get weary of the 5-second clip defining the whole rest of time.
What else did he say?
Where was he?
What was the context?

And it's OK for him to think of America differently. I'm guessing young Anthony Mackie had quite a different experience than young Chris Evans.

While probably true, both seem to have done quite fine for themselves in America and likely wouldn't have had the same opportunity in about 99% of other countries...so even if he believes it, it probably makes sense to not say it
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gougler08 said:

Jose Cruuuuuuuuuuuuz said:

Definitely Not A Cop said:

This movie needs all the help it can get with getting people to buy tickets. It may have been a slip of the tongue, but regardless, I don't think it helps that goal.
I just get weary of the 5-second clip defining the whole rest of time.
What else did he say?
Where was he?
What was the context?

And it's OK for him to think of America differently. I'm guessing young Anthony Mackie had quite a different experience than young Chris Evans.

While probably true, both seem to have done quite fine for themselves in America and likely wouldn't have had the same opportunity in about 99% of other countries...so even if he believes it, it probably makes sense to not say it
If memory serves Evans and Mackie have a similar political view. The difference is I don't ever recall seeing Evans sharing it while promoting his Captain America movies.

I enjoy them both a ton on screen in their super hero and non super hero roles. As MJ said, "Republicans buy sneakers, too". I don't need to love all your views to enjoy your art. However, when your views infiltrate your art and you become an actor-activist, I'll probably pass on seeing your movies.
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Jose Cruuuuuuuuuuuuz said:

Definitely Not A Cop said:

This movie needs all the help it can get with getting people to buy tickets. It may have been a slip of the tongue, but regardless, I don't think it helps that goal.
I just get weary of the 5-second clip defining the whole rest of time.
What else did he say?
Where was he?
What was the context?

And it's OK for him to think of America differently. I'm guessing young Anthony Mackie had quite a different experience than young Chris Evans.

Oh I don't know about that. I've heard about his early childhood.

His name is Clarence, he went to Cranbrook which is a private school. He lives at home with both parents and they have a real good marriage.
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rhutton125 said:

Costume and name aside, Cap hasn't really been a ra ra America type character in a long time. Almost by necessity - if Winter Soldier or Civil War were too "American" these films might never have gotten as big as they've gotten worldwide.
I disagree. Both those movies (at least in part, in regard to civil war) dealt with Cap fighting against government overreach to protect freedom. What's more American than that?
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Another idiot Hollywood moron sabotages his own movie.......
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Well, at least now they can blame all the people this has irritated on why the movie will tank and not make $$$$

Starting to wonder if there's some actual truth to that cause good grief you'd think they'd learn to shut up at this point….

That being said I don't think this affects the box office one way or another….that being said haven't watched the video yet
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wangus12 said:

Jose Cruuuuuuuuuuuuz said:

Definitely Not A Cop said:

This movie needs all the help it can get with getting people to buy tickets. It may have been a slip of the tongue, but regardless, I don't think it helps that goal.
I just get weary of the 5-second clip defining the whole rest of time.
What else did he say?
Where was he?
What was the context?

And it's OK for him to think of America differently. I'm guessing young Anthony Mackie had quite a different experience than young Chris Evans.

Oh I don't know about that. I've heard about his early childhood.

His name is Clarence, he went to Cranbrook which is a private school. He lives at home with both parents and they have a real good marriage.
holy crap I had to IMDB that movie to see if this was legit! Never ever realized that was him!
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On the extreme optimistic side, they're showing so much red hulk because the real plot is something else like it was for winter soldier.

On the pessimistic side, they're showing so much red hulk because the movie makes no sense, even with bringing in gus as another villain
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On the extreme optimistic side, they're showing so much red hulk because the real plot is something else like it was for winter soldier.

On the pessimistic side, they're showing so much red hulk because the movie makes no sense, even with bringing in gus as another villain
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rhutton125 said:

Costume and name aside, Cap hasn't really been a ra ra America type character in a long time. Almost by necessity - if Winter Soldier or Civil War were too "American" these films might never have gotten as big as they've gotten worldwide.
I agree and disagree. Captain America isn't a jingoistic America First and Only character, but he never really has been in either movies or comic books. I've always thought of Cap as representing the ideal of America (similar to Superman's Truth, Justice, and the American Way), even if America doesn't always live up to that ideal. He'll go punch a Nazi (e.g., "I just don't like bullies"), but he's also not a mindless tool of the government (see the entirety of Winter Soldier).
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He's closer to the point than most people just reacting to the shortened clip are going to give him credit for. Also feels like people forget that the last few Captain America films have literally been him vs the US government.

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rhutton125 said:

Costume and name aside, Cap hasn't really been a ra ra America type character in a long time. Almost by necessity - if Winter Soldier or Civil War were too "American" these films might never have gotten as big as they've gotten worldwide.
In the comics Steve Rogers abandons the Captain America name at one point because he doesn't want to be tied to a political agenda.
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You are correct. But it's kind of like Vin Diesel saying that Fast and Furious isn't about family, and then he defends the comment by saying he had to fight his brother in the 8th movie.


Why can't the idea of America represent all of the other things he brings up as well?
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The government isn't America.
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Totally depends on your POV, as you well know they're often equated to each other. And a lot of people are disillusioned with our country right now for their own reasons, just because you or others may not be doesn't mean someone else is wrong.
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Yeah it's kinda moot without the context of his quote. America doesn't have the monopoly on freedom and justice, which is normally what CA fights for. But "America" means different things in Texas, vs Russia, vs Afghanistan for example. Maybe that's what he means.

I don't know what he's going for but it could be totally fair or totally dumb. I'd need to hear more.
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