Is Thunderbolts the Marvel version of the Suicide Squad?

TCTTS said:

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I think this is cool as hell, and really separates this iteration from the last two. Plus, the sets, the styles, etc could be a ton of fun. Also, by movie's end, it's not like they won't end up in present day anyway, with all the other heroes. There are also rumors that this might not even be *our* 1960s, as it could very well be an alternate universe 1960s, which could be even weirder/more fun.

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This would be ideal. Then smash FF and X-Men into the Marvel universe with Secret Wars.

I agree with all that.

BUT

I also think Marvel needs to stop going back in time to create heroes, and then have some convoluted explanation for why they are missing until the present day. Captain America, Captain Marvel, and now Fantastic 4. I'm sure it'll be good, but maybe this should be the last time? I've heard Blade may be similar...but he's a vampire so I'll allow it.

Sea Speed said:

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But then that is just expanding the multiverse even further.

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If that rumor is even true. The magazine cover seems to indicate it's not, and that they are, in fact, in our 1960s, but who knows. Either way, if you're worried about the multiverse expanding further, I have some bad news for you, re: Deadpool & Wolverine and the next two Avengers movies...

Sea Speed said:

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I dont mind it because I'm not invested in the storyline anymore because everything I have watched sans loki in the last several years has sucked. I just know you have said several times you think they need to reign multiverse in

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I have, but since then I've joined you in the "not invested in the storyline anymore" department. The multiverse absolutely sucks, and I wish they never would have gone there. But now that we're here, and we finally know this is all culminating in a full on Secret Wars adaptation, given those constraints, there's nothing left to do but shrug our shoulders and hope they can at least tell a fun, coherent story with actual momentum from here on out.

This is super late to the convo, but I never remember seeing us talk about it.

I just finished the 2 seasons of Cloak and Dagger and I really enjoyed it. Was I alone in this?

swimmerbabe11 said:

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This is super late to the convo, but I never remember seeing us talk about it.

I just finished the 2 seasons of Cloak and Dagger and I really enjoyed it. Was I alone in this?

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I seem to remember watching a couple (a few?) episodes a while back but can't remember much about it or why I stopped watching.

I'm not familiar with that one.

If Fantastic Four is set in the 60s, I can see it work two ways:

• They’re not public heroes. Their existence is a secret kept by the gov or the Baxter Foundation or wtv, kinda like the Ultimate comics.

• The movie is in another universe, so dw about the present day Avengers.

— Monkey D. Hernandy (@hernandy_s) February 14, 2024

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TCTTS said:

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If Fantastic Four is set in the 60s, I can see it work two ways:

• They’re not public heroes. Their existence is a secret kept by the gov or the Baxter Foundation or wtv, kinda like the Ultimate comics.

• The movie is in another universe, so dw about the present day Avengers.

— Monkey D. Hernandy (@hernandy_s) February 14, 2024

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They can't be secret and not have come out in avengers 1 or endgame. Just would be an insane plot hole.

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yeah. I was going to reply with that, but I felt I had already said my piece on this.

that is why time travel and multiverses are stupid.

always.

it is why DC comics are an entire cluster*$%&8 and have to reboot themselves every 8-10 years because they have to accommodate 80 years of that garbage.

Marvel has it too (Age of Ultron, Age of Apocalypse, Marvel 2099, Ultimate Universe I & II), and it often encroaches on Marvel 616... but they usually just ignore the consequences with the plotting considerations of a 10-year-old and just plow forward.

Regardless of which scenario, I think the basic assumption is that by the end of their movie they're either going to be stranded somewhere off world, or stranded in another dimension, and then return to Earth in present day - or - somehow time travel to present day. Either way, they wouldn't have been around for the duration of the MCU circa 2008 until now. Both scenarios can accommodate this.

TCTTS said:

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Stephen Strange you son of a bitch. https://t.co/yKKG4cRlV8 pic.twitter.com/yJ0xC4DVRr

— Matt Murdock (@ZeroYear97) February 14, 2024

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The Fantastic Four are in an oddly exuberant mood if the Thing is reading Life Magazine from December 1963 less than a month after JFK got assassinated.

MooreTrucker said:

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Is Thunderbolts the Marvel version of the Suicide Squad?

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as far as being an off-the-books team, yes.

if they go for the whole stuck in another dimension/universe, the reasonable play would be the Negative Zone since that has the most ties to the F4. It could even be the source of their powers. They could be stuck for decades in there. And gives them a villain in Annihilus .

but that too has too many parallels to MCU Ant-Man series. Hell they could even make Annihilus be a variation of Kang, if they wanted to.

Sex Panther said:

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I hope they go to another universe and try and tell everyone they're the Fantastic Four - only to meet this guy who says he's the real Reed Richards

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is he standing inside one of the Invisible Woman's bubbles?

TCTTS said:

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Regardless of which scenario, I think the basic assumption is that by the end of their movie they're either going to be stranded somewhere off world, or stranded in another dimension, and then return to Earth in present day - or - somehow time travel to present day. Either way, they wouldn't have been around for the duration of the MCU circa 2008 until now. Both scenarios can accommodate this.

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Ok that I actually buy

C@LAg said:

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MooreTrucker said:

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Is Thunderbolts the Marvel version of the Suicide Squad?

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as far as being an off-the-books team, yes.

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And made up of bad guys?

I'm sure they'll just end up trapped in the Negative Zone somehow and get freed into the current timeline.

Maybe they'll go modern, skip the origin (a la Tom Holland Spider-Man) and get straight to the good stuff. Problem solved!

Similar to Captain Marvel in the 90s, I feel like a period piece causes way more problems than it solves.

I definitely think they'll skip the origin, but that artwork/title treatment was officially released by Marvel. Sure, a chunk of the movie could be set in present day, but the majority of it will almost assuredly take place in the '60s (if not an alternate timeline '60s). The period setting had been rumored for years, and we finally got confirmation of it today.

MooreTrucker said:

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C@LAg said:

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MooreTrucker said:

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Is Thunderbolts the Marvel version of the Suicide Squad?

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as far as being an off-the-books team, yes.

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And made up of bad guys?

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not always.

line-up varies over time, but it frequently includes heroes and anti-heroes more than villains,. especially over the last 15 years.

Original Thunderbolts were obscure villains posing as heroes. Some eventually decided to go good, legitimately. Eventually Hawkeye leads the group, to keep them on the right path and try and help them get a pardon.
Members: Zemo, Moonstone, Mach-V (formerly the Beetle), Songbird, Atlas, eventually Hawkeye

Most versions of the T-Bolts involve reformed or reforming villains. Eventually Norman Osborn puts together a villain team (a la Suicide Squad) and uses them for some unsavory deeds.
Members: Yelena Belova, Ghost, Bullseye, Venom, Radioactive Man, etc

Later on, Luke Cage leads the team from the Raft, granting villains reduced sentences for their assistance and efforts towards reformation.
Members: Luke Cage, Songbird, Ghost, Juggernaut, Crossbones, Man-Thing, etc


Might be my favorite set of comics. The untrustworthiness of some of these characters makes for some great drama, and there's a lot of room for character development from former D-listers. The original team with Zemo, and the later Hawkeye teams, had some awesome stuff.

TCTTS said:

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An official new poster for #DeadpoolAndWolverine has been released (via @Marvel_India)! pic.twitter.com/Bo0ElE5MKO

— MCU - The Direct (@MCU_Direct) February 14, 2024

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More A.I. bullsh*t, except this time it's *official* A.I. bullsh*t, as it came directly from Marvel India…

They didn't even try to get the AI to spit out something remotely accurate lmao https://t.co/SWAjid2xFC pic.twitter.com/pFPQslStA2

— Kit Kat ((commissions paused)) (@kittischmitti) February 14, 2024

OK I have solved it so everyone can be happy.

F4 are actually from present day/MCU-near future, but in a confrontation with Doom he uses tech acquired from Kang to send them back to the past (60s) where they would not be a problem for Doom in the present. So the movie focuses on them being heroes in the past. Queue Mole Man event as main storyline.

But something comes up in the plot (TVA, Silver Surfer, etc) which understands they are not supposed to be in that time, and sends them back to the future.

FF introduced, without having to resort to merging universes and whatnot.
Doom introduced, but not the primary focus.

Heck if they were really wanting to take a risk...run with a variation of this and have Pedro not be Reed but actually be Doom (much better fit BTW).given his obsession with Sue. And Reed is the one not introduced until the end when he helps rescue them from Doom. In this case, they would not actually be in the 60s, but just think they are after being captured/under the influence of Doom.

TCTTS said:

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More A.I. bullsh*t, except this time it's *official* A.I. bullsh*t, as it came directly from Marvel India…

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akshually, that is the variation worn by Wolverine of Earth-69 (nice)

Man, I worry about my elderly parents being taken for a scam. Now I gotta worry about TCTTS?