I had forgotten Zemo. So, yep... there you go. Your Winter Soldier tie in. Perhaps he is the man behind Hydra's super soldier program, and maybe he's been juicing up Crossbones.

Also, I'm glad that Thunderbolt Ross is back. I bet he's the USA's new delegate to the Council, appointed by Stark, as they have a history.

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So, basically, this is Avengers: Age of Ultron minus Thor, Hulk and Ultron, but adding...

Ant-Man
Black Panther
Spider-Man
The Winter Soldier
Crossbones
General Ross
Martin Freeman
Emily VanCamp
Daniel Bruhl

And again, this is all in addition to...

Iron Man
Captain America
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Falcon
War Machine
Scarlett Witch
The Vision

Holy hell, that has to be the most insane cast ever assembled.

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hmmm...

Iron Man
War Machine
Vision
Scarlet Witch?

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Captain America
Black Widow
Falcon
Hawkeye

with the new players (Ant-man, Spider-man, Black Panther) being fought over?

I'd be willing to bet that Hawkeye and Black Widow are on different sides of the issue

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I don't know if Bucky will be a bad guy again. Since he saved Cap at the end of CAP2, its possible that they will try to set him on some redemptive arc. Though, I can see him causing trouble for the Avengers in his search to do so which may bring it about the registration.

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i didn't say that bucky would be the bad guy. I'm saying it was possible that he killed stark's parent's decades ago. Cap wants to redeem his friend, stark would want vengeance for his family.

but with the synopsis posted, i guess that doesn't matter. looks like avengers 2.0 screws something up, which is what get's stark rattled.

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So, basically, this is Avengers: Age of Ultron minus Thor, Hulk and Ultron, but adding...

Ant-Man
Black Panther
Spider-Man
The Winter Soldier
Crossbones
General Ross
Martin Freeman
Emily VanCamp
Daniel Bruhl

And again, this is all in addition to...

Iron Man
Captain America
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Falcon
War Machine
Scarlett Witch
The Vision

Holy hell, that has to be the most insane cast ever assembled.

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hmmm...

Iron Man
War Machine
Vision
Scarlet Witch?

vs

Captain America
Black Widow
Falcon
Hawkeye

with the new players (Ant-man, Spider-man, Black Panther) being fought over?

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Depends how closely they stick to the comics. Spidey in particular has a pretty clear path if they take that route.

I bet they split up the natural pairings, like Hawkeye/Widow and Tony/Rhodey. I doubt Spidey has a major role to play at all, unlike the comics. His unmasking wouldn't be very impactful.

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I'm not sure I see either one of them with Stark though. Hawkeye maybe because SHIELD has been keeping his family safe? I don't necessarily think Scarlet Witch would side with Stark either, but I think Vision would so I'm keeping them together.

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I bet they split up the natural pairings, like Hawkeye/Widow and Tony/Rhodey. I doubt Spidey has a major role to play at all, unlike the comics. His unmasking wouldn't be very impactful.

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I doubt they split Tony and Rhodey. Tony will have to be on the side of SHIELD/Government and registration. Rhodes is a career military man and, presumably, already known to be War Machine. No way he goes against that.

Seems like Vision might just stay out of it.

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Seems like Vision might just stay out of it.

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I'm thinking he will somewhat play the role of the Sentry from the comics. Immensely powerful, but ultimately going along with whoever he perceives to be the real authority.

This movie's gonna be insane.

It almost makes more sense to drop the Captain America and just call it Marvel Civil War.

I think "registration" might be the wrong way to view it. I know you all probably mean it in a different way, but this movie will likely have nothing to do with secret identities or registration.

My guess is, some new international government entity is being created to bring oversight and order to groups like the Avengers (and as protection against humanity's foes). Tony Stark may see this as a second chance at his Ultron Program - a suit of armor around the world. Perhaps this is a new Shield, perhaps even with him at its head.

Steve Rodgers may see this as the second coming of a militarized Shield - oppressive, prone to corruption, trying to stop wars before they start, regardless of what the costs may be.

I had an idea the other day that I thought would be interesting, though unlikely - what if Tony and Pepper had a baby before or at the start of the film? That would certainly drive home the need for security - protecting people even if it means taking away some of their freedoms. Just an idea, not something I actually expect.


Potential storylines:
- Will War Machine side with or against his best friend?
- Will Hawkeye and Black Widow choose opposite sides?
- Why would Hawkeye come out of retirement (as it were)?
- Will Vision side with Scarlet Witch (his comic-book love interest), side against her, or stay out of the conflict altogether?
- Will Falcon side with Cap, or against? (I assume with, since they're pretty bro-y)
- How will the Winter Soldier play into things?
- Will Black Panther don a costume, or merely play the role as T'Challa, ruler of Wakanda? Perhaps as a diplomat, or grieved party from Age of Ultron (armed conflict on his soil, Hulk attacked one of his cities, his country's vibranium was stolen)?
- How will Spider-Man be a part of this? Will it be merely a cameo, establishing him as part of the MCU without an origin story?
- How will Ant-Man be introduced to the team, and what role will he play?


At least we know that, for once, whatever Baron Zemo's plan is won't involve unleashing an army onto the world. My guess is some kind of terrorist plot, maybe sabotaging some kind of summit (perhaps in Wakanda) with various world leaders or interested parties. That would explain T'Challa, General Ross and maybe Martin Freeman.

Or, perhaps whatever political unrest and decisions are made early on in the film, and Zemo's plan will involve some other kind of scheme that brute force and special effects can't beat.

The possibilities!

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I'm not sure I see either one of them with Stark though. Hawkeye maybe because SHIELD has been keeping his family safe? I don't necessarily think Scarlet Witch would side with Stark either, but I think Vision would so I'm keeping them together.

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I think the Hawkeye farmhouse/family scene was directly setting up for his siding in Civil War which will obviously be with Cap. He's the top SHIELD Operative, and nobody knew he also had a family. He obviously values privacy, and will never go with having to register.

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I agree with that, which is why I had him with Cap initially. If they are going to split him and Widow, I felt like he might have the stronger motive to join Stark. I don't see any reason why Natasha would. She's already pretty much Steve's sidekick. Plus she's probably Hawkeye's kids' godmother. They named the most recent baby after her. I dont think they get split up.

Also,

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"Captain America: Civil War" picks up where "Avengers: Age of Ultron" left off, as Steve Rogers leads the new team of Avengers in their continued efforts to safeguard humanity. After another international incident involving the Avengers results in collateral damage, political pressure mounts to install a system of accountability and a governing body to determine when to enlist the services of the team. The new status quo fractures the Avengers while they try to protect the world from a new and nefarious villain.

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Do you think "another international incident involving the Avengers results in collateral damage" refers to the events of Age of Ultron (damage in Wakanda, Korea, Sakovia) in addition to the New York invasion, or do you expect the opening scene to involve the New Avengers in some kind of messy battle?

I guess either way would work. Depends how outraged the populace is in Ant-Man this summer.

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"Captain America: Civil War" picks up where "Avengers: Age of Ultron" left off, as Steve Rogers leads the new team of Avengers in their continued efforts to safeguard humanity. After another international incident involving the Avengers results in collateral damage, political pressure mounts to install a system of accountability and a governing body to determine when to enlist the services of the team. The new status quo fractures the Avengers while they try to protect the world from a new and nefarious villain.

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Do you think "another international incident involving the Avengers results in collateral damage" refers to the events of Age of Ultron (damage in Wakanda, Korea, Sakovia) in addition to the New York invasion, or do you expect the opening scene to involve the New Avengers in some kind of messy battle?

I guess either way would work. Depends how outraged the populace is in Ant-Man this summer.

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yeah, i was kinda wondering with all the destruction in Calif (IM123), New York (Avengers, Hulk), DC (winter soldier), England (Thor:TDW), New Mexico (Thor), and Wakanda (AoU), what could possibly go wrong that would be the tipping point for Tony?

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This movie's gonna be insane.

It almost makes more sense to drop the Captain America and just call it Marvel Civil War.

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Actually, f it. Avengers: Civil War.

This thing is gonna top AoU and everyone knows it.

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I guess if he turns out to be Baron Zemo, that means that Hydra lives?

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I'm confused why so many people think Hydra would be gone. That is kinda the point of Hydra, cut off one head and two more grow in its place. It might weaken for a time, but it will never be gone.

If Hydra is gone, it'd be because every face associated with them (except maybe that guy who was with Strucker - Dr. List?) has been eliminated or at least indisposed in some way. They were(/are?) also featured heavily on Agents of Shield. The Avengers also claim to have finished off Hydra with Strucker in AoU, whether that's wishful thinking or not.

I could see Hydra being dead for good if the franchise just wanted to explore new territory and adapt new stories. But they could also be alive if the powers that be decide there's still some value to their existence.

Good golly I'm cheesed. Need to go see AoU again now.

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If Hydra is gone, it'd be because every face associated with them (except maybe that guy who was with Strucker - Dr. List?) has been eliminated or at least indisposed in some way. They were(/are?) also featured heavily on Agents of Shield. The Avengers also claim to have finished off Hydra with Strucker in AoU, whether that's wishful thinking or not.

I could see Hydra being dead for good if the franchise just wanted to explore new territory and adapt new stories. But they could also be alive if the powers that be decide there's still some value to their existence.

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Pretty much my line of thinking here as well as to why I said it, but I think I chose my words poorly. What I meant is that in the MCU and AoS it has been a persistent threat. In AoU, they pretty much cleaned up everyone who was Hydra affiliated in the opening at that based in Sokovia. Prior to AoU, Coulson led his team on a mission to rescue the hostages on the episode that aired prior, and then Gonzalez's air strike destroyed the base. That's a lot to lose in such a short span of time.

I guess what I am saying is that, I'm a little surprised at the frequency that Hydra is beaten back and it resurfaces is seemingly very quick. Hydra lost a lot of assets in CAP 2, then throughout the season in AoS. Then in this season, a lot of the heads of Hydra were taken out in AoS too IIRC. I just don't see them being as much of a threat after everything that has happened, unless this is Hydra's last hurrah and they consolidate their forces. CAP 2 happened, a year later AoU happened, and next year we have CAP 3 taking place.

Hydra isn't something to be trifled with, but can you say at this point that it is the threat it once was either? Just my take on it.

Agreed. Kind of how I feel about...

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kingpin - hopefully they move on to a different villain for the next season. Since his whole network is a thing of the past, he's pretty much powerless now

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As a side note, no Nick Fury for this one? I guess he doesn't have to make an appearance in EVERY film. Or maybe he'll be announced later once they iron out some contract details or something.

Well after A1 finished there was no "Avengers the group" Thor went back to Asgard, Tony dealt with his demons alone in IM3. Rogers is still beating heavy bags and keeping an eye on SHIELD, which leads to CA2. At the start of A2, they all magically came together to deal with Strucker.

With CA3, however, Rogers story is him being the leader the Avengers thanks to the end of A2. All the other characters, IM, Thor, Hulk can all have standalone movies. Rogers cannot. His story is now this batch of Avengers.

What exactly is Fury's role now?

He's still basically guiding the Avengers behind the scenes, but he's no longer the director of SHIELD? In AoS Coulson is now the director right? But Fury is still the boss?

And no way that Fury doesn't show up in Civil War right?

interesting thought i had about SHIELD

Hydra was an arm of the Nazi Government. Seemingly knocked out with the death (disappearance) of their leader, the Red Skull, they go underground.

SHIELD is an arm of the world's governments (seems most closely tied to US though). Seemingly knocked out with the death (disappearance) of their leader, Nick Fury, they go underground (under coulson).

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What exactly is Fury's role now?

He's still basically guiding the Avengers behind the scenes, but he's no longer the director of SHIELD? In AoS Coulson is now the director right? But Fury is still the boss?

And no way that Fury doesn't show up in Civil War right?

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Fury by all appearances has taken on being a liaison between SHIELD and the Avengers. Coulson appears to get things set and working for him though when needed, based on the last episode of AoS. In AoS Coulson is still the director, but made the compromise to Gonzalez to keep doing the job as long as his little round table would provide oversight. Well, not sure how things will shake out now with him well... dead. I would definitely bet on Fury showing up in Civil War. I can't see him sitting this one out.

Re: who's on what side, looks like this answers at least one question...

TV renewal news, Agent Carter and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. have been renewed. Actually ABC dropped very few shows.

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TV renewal news, Agent Carter and Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. have been renewed. Actually ABC dropped very few shows.

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One of my must watch shows every week

Lance Hunter and Bobbi Morse spin off is apparently not going forward at this time.

So Civil War is the very next movie? I forgot the timeline.

Ant-Man in July, then Civil War a year from yesterday...

http://projectionlist.com/#/site/theatrical
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Looks like we should hear a lot more about Doctor Strange ramping up pretty soon here.