Whedon always comes off as such a whiny, entitled dbag
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Damn, joss whedon just said he made more money from doctor horrible than he did for the first avengers. It was only with age of ultron that he knew what it meant to get paid
i could certainly see dr. horrible being more profitable (percentage wise, not dollars wise), but i find it very difficult to believe that joss took home more money on it than he did the first avengers.
He was also ranting and *****ing about how Hulk can't carry a solo movie the other day. And another interview where he says Marvel was foolish for passing on Edgar Wright's version of Ant-Man. (Which its cool he's sticking up for Edgar Wright, but Marvel's probably not too thrilled with the comments.) I get the sense the breakup between he and Marvel will not be very amicable.
Marvel ran off Favreau as well. They have shown that they won't be bullied by creatives, for better or for worse.
Can't say they've suffered bc of it. Hell, marvel has been the "creative" for a lot longer than these Hollywood clowns.
quote:Can you blame them after Iron Man 2?
Marvel ran off Favreau as well. They have shown that they won't be bullied by creatives, for better or for worse.
quote:quote:Can you blame them after Iron Man 2?
Marvel ran off Favreau as well. They have shown that they won't be bullied by creatives, for better or for worse.
I think JF would say that IM2's flaws were all on Marvel. Pretty sure they added in the SHIELD/Black Widow storyline.
You know, for all its problems, the first half of IM2 was badass. Loved the hearing and Stark showing up Congress and Hammer, and privitizing world peace. The suitcase armor and the whole fight at the Grand Prix was awesome.
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Can't say they've suffered bc of it. Hell, marvel has been the "creative" for a lot longer than these Hollywood clowns.
I've been thinking about this. Marvel has had issues with directors... some pretty big ones. I have a theory as to why, and as to why Marvel has made some directional changes in the types of directors they hire.
Marvel has broken ties with Wright and Favreau, and seems to be on the outs with Whedon. The core of these issues have been creative control. But really, think about how directors view a film. It is a stand-alone piece of work. Even if they know there will be sequels, they are only really concerned with the single movie. Sure, they may throw in some long-lead items and introduce some foundations for future work, but that's about it. Even Joss, who is a TV guy, is not a guy that tells stories on a sort of continuum, with a grand plan. Even Firefly had common story threads and recurring characters, but there was no metaplot.
Marvel is doing something that has NEVER been done before. They are all about the metaplot. They don't have a giant board with every act of every film mapped out, but they have a larger plan to how everything fits together, and the movies can't just run off on their own and do whatever the creative teams want. Can you think of a more annoying thing for a studio movie director?
What we've seen since is more directors who come from the world of TV, but just any TV... television dramas (and comedies, even) that are not one-off shows, but are written in that continuum. Episodes are a fragment of a larger story being told over a season, or even YEARS.
What are those credits like? Arrested Development. Game of Thrones. Mad Men. The Sopranos. Aren't those all the sort of "big picture" continuing stories that Marvel is trying to tell?
I don't know. Makes sense to me. Seems like a natural transition for Marvel now that the machine is really going.
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Can't say they've suffered bc of it. Hell, marvel has been the "creative" for a lot longer than these Hollywood clowns.
I've been thinking about this. Marvel has had issues with directors... some pretty big ones. I have a theory as to why, and as to why Marvel has made some directional changes in the types of directors they hire.
Marvel has broken ties with Wright and Favreau, and seems to be on the outs with Whedon. The core of these issues have been creative control. But really, think about how directors view a film. It is a stand-alone piece of work. Even if they know there will be sequels, they are only really concerned with the single movie. Sure, they may throw in some long-lead items and introduce some foundations for future work, but that's about it. Even Joss, who is a TV guy, is not a guy that tells stories on a sort of continuum, with a grand plan. Even Firefly had common story threads and recurring characters, but there was no metaplot.
Marvel is doing something that has NEVER been done before. They are all about the metaplot. They don't have a giant board with every act of every film mapped out, but they have a larger plan to how everything fits together, and the movies can't just run off on their own and do whatever the creative teams want. Can you think of a more annoying thing for a studio movie director?
What we've seen since is more directors who come from the world of TV, but just any TV... television dramas (and comedies, even) that are not one-off shows, but are written in that continuum. Episodes are a fragment of a larger story being told over a season, or even YEARS.
What are those credits like? Arrested Development. Game of Thrones. Mad Men. The Sopranos. Aren't those all the sort of "big picture" continuing stories that Marvel is trying to tell?
I don't know. Makes sense to me. Seems like a natural transition for Marvel now that the machine is really going.
Very much like a comic that gets a new writer...the editors and higher ups have a direction that the character/book/universe is going and the new team has some latitude but still has to stay on a certain course.
Christopher Nolan got carte blanche (because DC/Warner needed a win and credibility) but most directors will have to fall somewhat in line with what the studio wants.
Christopher Nolan got carte blanche (because DC/Warner needed a win and credibility) but most directors will have to fall somewhat in line with what the studio wants.
Couple of Easter eggs:
In episode 10 of Daredevil, we see two cover articles that Ben Urich wrote, one called Battle of NY, and the other called Harlem Terror - Hulk Emerges Victorious... something.
In episode 10 of Daredevil, we see two cover articles that Ben Urich wrote, one called Battle of NY, and the other called Harlem Terror - Hulk Emerges Victorious... something.
quote:Is Harlem where Hulk fought Abomination in the Edward Norton version or something we haven't seen?
Couple of Easter eggs:
In episode 10 of Daredevil, we see two cover articles that Ben Urich wrote, one called Battle of NY, and the other called Harlem Terror - Hulk Emerges Victorious... something.
quote:quote:Is Harlem where Hulk fought Abomination in the Edward Norton version or something we haven't seen?
Couple of Easter eggs:
In episode 10 of Daredevil, we see two cover articles that Ben Urich wrote, one called Battle of NY, and the other called Harlem Terror - Hulk Emerges Victorious... something.
The Norton version, which is the MCU Hulk.
quote:yours was a very good post and I agree completely. with respect to the above excerpt though, I'd just add that at this point, any director jumping on board with a marvel flick has to be going in with eyes wide open and shouldn't complain about the process before, during or after. this will certainly turn off some very good directors who would make awesome films. but none of them are worth compromising the bigger picture.
Marvel is doing something that has NEVER been done before. They are all about the metaplot. They don't have a giant board with every act of every film mapped out, but they have a larger plan to how everything fits together, and the movies can't just run off on their own and do whatever the creative teams want. Can you think of a more annoying thing for a studio movie director?
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quote:Banner even mentions it in The Avengers.quote:Is Harlem where Hulk fought Abomination in the Edward Norton version or something we haven't seen?
Couple of Easter eggs:
In episode 10 of Daredevil, we see two cover articles that Ben Urich wrote, one called Battle of NY, and the other called Harlem Terror - Hulk Emerges Victorious... something.
I remembered that part in the movie, but I couldn't remember seeing a photo in Daredevil or that it took place in Harlem.
The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man seem like they came out forever ago.
The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man seem like they came out forever ago.
quote:Agreed, and the different actors as the Hulks also make it disjointed.
I remembered that part in the movie, but I couldn't remember seeing a photo in Daredevil or that it took place in Harlem.
The Incredible Hulk and Iron Man seem like they came out forever ago.
Word is they're calling the stand-alone Spider-Man movie...
SPIDER-MAN: THE NEW AVENGER
Works for me.
SPIDER-MAN: THE NEW AVENGER
Works for me.
Wow Sony is fully jumping into bed with marvel.
I like it too.
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Word is they're calling the stand-alone Spider-Man movie...
SPIDER-MAN: THE NEW AVENGER
Works for me.
The cartoon? Or is Spiderman getting his own MCU movie after he appears in Civil War?
quote:This is for the live-action film. He'll get his own after Civil Warquote:
Word is they're calling the stand-alone Spider-Man movie...
SPIDER-MAN: THE NEW AVENGER
Works for me.
The cartoon? Or is Spiderman getting his own MCU movie after he appears in Civil War?
Yeah, sorry, his first solo live action movie. Summer 2017.
quote:But (thank Christ) NOT another origin story, correct?
Yeah, sorry, his first solo live action movie. Summer 2017.
No origin story.
Since Civil War started filming today I'm guessing they already have their Spiderman
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Since Civil War started filming today I'm guessing they already have their Spiderman
It's a six month shoot, and Spider-Man probably isn't in it all that much. His stuff could easily be shot four months from now. That said, an announcement is supposed to come sometime in the next couple of weeks.
SPOILER ALERT!!!
I am Spider-man.
END SPOILER!!!
I am Spider-man.
END SPOILER!!!
quote:I was partially hoping that the fake end credits scene with him was realquote:
Since Civil War started filming today I'm guessing they already have their Spiderman
It's a six month shoot, and Spider-Man probably isn't in it all that much. His stuff could easily be shot four months from now. That said, an announcement is supposed to come sometime in the next couple of weeks.
I'm glad Spider-Man is going all in with Marvel/Avengers, but I'm still not thrilled with the idea of a THIRD version of Spider-Man in less than a decade.
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I'm glad Spider-Man is going all in with Marvel/Avengers, but I'm still not thrilled with the idea of a THIRD version of Spider-Man in less than a decade.
Just get over it.
If only we could still get a Venom movie
I'm just going to pretend the last three Spider-Man movies were never made.
quote:I'm Batman.
SPOILER ALERT!!!
I am Spider-man.
END SPOILER!!!
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