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2:47p, 7/20/18
AG
I hadn't heard about any of this until just now.

I think once the tweets got out, Disney had to take action, otherwise the cries of hypocracy would have been crazy loud. Especially since Gunn's been so vocal with his anti-Trump takes on social media.
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Bruce Almighty
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In reply to TCTTS • 2:48p, 7/20/18
AG
TCTTS said:
They're just really dumb. Not even remotely funny, yet they were meant to be. Offensive, yes, but cutting ties with him seems extreme.


I'm going to disagree with you on this one. There's a line and he definitely crossed it. I'm one that usually hates it when old tweets are dug up to hurt somebody's career, but this wasn't from some immature high school kid. It may have been from six years ago, and he may be a different person now, but with today's political climate, I don't think Disney had a choice.
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In reply to Bruce Almighty • 2:50p, 7/20/18
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Bruce Almighty said:
TCTTS said:
They're just really dumb. Not even remotely funny, yet they were meant to be. Offensive, yes, but cutting ties with him seems extreme.


I'm going to disagree with you on this one. There's a line and he definitely crossed it. I'm one that usually hates it when old tweets are dug up to hurt somebody's career, but this wasn't from some immature high school kid. It may have been from six years ago, and he may be a different person now, but with today's political climate, I don't think Disney had a choice.
I agree with this. The few tweets quoted in the article were pretty jacked up.
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In reply to Bruce Almighty • 2:51p, 7/20/18
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I definitely won't argue with you there. I can understand where everyone is coming from, including Disney.
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Brian Earl Spilner
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2:55p, 7/20/18
AG
How did this suddenly surface now?

And this is getting pretty ridiculous. We're at the point where decade-old joke tweets are now a fireable offense?
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 2:57p, 7/20/18
AG
Brian Earl Spilner said:
How did this suddenly surface now?

And this is getting pretty ridiculous. We're at the point where decade-old joke tweets are now a fireable offense?
It's not hard to not publicly put out offensive things. And if you do then you have to smart enough to get rid of them before someone goes looking for them.

I think very highly of Gunn's work. He comes off as great when interacting with fans, but comments, like he made in public, don't make firing him a tough choice.
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2:59p, 7/20/18
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tweets in question. I'm not embedding them b/c of f bombs and such

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DiiVF4kXUAAJLWr. jpg

remove the space before "jpg." didn't realize that texags would auto embed. I thought it only did that on mobile
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In reply to TexasAggie_02 • 3:03p, 7/20/18
AG
Hm. I retract my earlier statement. That's an awful lot of jokes about little boys.

Louis CK used to do that too, but he's a comedian.
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3:08p, 7/20/18
AG
Well, damn, this kind of sucks. But, we live in a fragile ass society, so what else should I expect
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3:13p, 7/20/18
AG
How has it taken this long for these to surface? Seems weird. Though it's certainly hard to defend the guy after seeing those. Why in the world would you not delete those? Like right after you posted them.
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3:22p, 7/20/18
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God fking dammit. He was working his ass off on the 3rd one too. I get it, they had too. but jesus tapdancing christ it wasn't even that bad. not funny, but my god.

His music choices, his influence is all over the movie. RIP Guardians.
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3:24p, 7/20/18
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Very weird. For a bit of context though, 2012 is probably when he was already working with Disney for Guardians 1. So this isn't exactly "when I was a junior in high school" - just two movies ago.

Surprised it hadn't come up before now, really.
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In reply to Wheatables02 • 3:28p, 7/20/18
Wheatables02 said:
TCTTS said:
It's official. This is genuinely shocking news...
Well at least the series has an established theme, style, and humor. I think the next director could continue that with no issues...
can't they just let Taika do it?
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In reply to jackie childs • 3:35p, 7/20/18
AG
jackie childs said:
Wheatables02 said:
TCTTS said:
It's official. This is genuinely shocking news...
Well at least the series has an established theme, style, and humor. I think the next director could continue that with no issues...
can't they just let Taika do it?
He'd certainly be a good option to pick it up. It sounded like Gunn was already pretty far into developing it. Wonder if the script was already done.
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3:39p, 7/20/18
AG
Smartest man on social media is Pablo Hidalgo who deletes all of his tweets every so often as a matter of course. Not that he ever says anything offensive, but you never know.
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In reply to FTACO97 • 3:39p, 7/20/18
AG
I'm pretty sure a first draft was complete and that he was doing rewrites.
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3:40p, 7/20/18
i get that comedians like to push the envelope and be provocative and maybe that's all this was.

but i'm amazed by two things here...

1. if this is a fire-able offense to Disney, how do they not have a team of young interns scrolling through peoples' social media history prior to signing them?

2. if you're James Gunn, once you've landed GOTG, how do you not go back through your old tweets and delete anything remotely offensive? or better yet, have someone else do it since they obviously weren't offensive to Gunn.



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3:42p, 7/20/18
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Hell yes on giving it to Taika.
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3:44p, 7/20/18
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The messed up thing about this is that these tweets were public in 2012. Right around the time he was hired to do the first movie. It just seems inconsistent for him to "get" to do two movies after that point but not a third. There's a part of me that almost sees this as a falling on Disney not doing their homework. Either do your background checks before you hire him, or let him finish. I of course get the politics of it, it's a different cultural climate than even in 2012, and what he said was abhorrent, but something about this one just isn't sitting right with me.
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In reply to TCTTS • 3:47p, 7/20/18
AG
Me neither. Maybe Disney had some creative differences with him about #3 and is using this as a convenient way to get rid of him?
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3:51p, 7/20/18
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3:51p, 7/20/18
Disney may well have known about the tweets but was willing to take the risk at that point since it had never made waves. Once they made waves, then Disney cared.
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In reply to Brian Earl Spilner • 3:52p, 7/20/18
AG
In fact, Asgard is gone. Thor's family is dead.

Put Thor in the Guardians. Throw in Korg and Valkyrie.

Asguardians of the Galaxy

Boom!

That'll be $20 million.
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In reply to TCTTS • 3:53p, 7/20/18
AG
My Twitter feed is basically 100% pro Gunn. Kind of crazy. Again, I get where both sides are coming from, but it IS surprising to see the support for the person getting fired in this instance, in comparison to all the #MeToo stuff.
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In reply to TCTTS • 4:00p, 7/20/18
How much of your twitter feed is LA people who likely agree with Gunn's viewpoints and are willing to excuse the comments because the reason it's happening now is more or less a conservative blogger hit job?

Why is it surprising that more people would support Gunn than most of the #metoo accused? James Gunn is somebody that people know, not like people give a **** about Weinstein. Aziz had a fairly decent defense on social media that I saw. Public figures that people like are always going to get more support than powerful behind the scenes individuals.
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In reply to TCTTS • 4:00p, 7/20/18
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TCTTS said:
My Twitter feed is basically 100% pro Gunn. Kind of crazy. Again, I get where both sides are coming from, but it IS surprising to see the support for the person getting fired in this instance, in comparison to all the #MeToo stuff.

I was about to make a similar comment. I think it shows that these assassinations (of whoever, from whatever side of the spectrum) are rarely actually about issues important to people, but about taking people down for sport and to hurt other people.
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In reply to Fenrir • 4:05p, 7/20/18
AG
I would agree that a good chunk of the outrage is due to the conservative hit job nature of it. Absolutely. That said, for reasons already mentioned in this thread, outside of that, this one does feel different, if only because Gunn also publicly apologized for all of this years ago. None of this was hidden or secret or is just coming out now (even though many of us had admittedly never heard about it before today).
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4:08p, 7/20/18
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I seem to remember him being on of the ones trumpeting about how he was so right about Weinstein and people were finally seeing him for what he was.

Something is fishy here...If the tweets TCTTS posted are correct that this was known back then and he apologized, I can't see Disney kowtowing to some right wing blogger.
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4:10p, 7/20/18
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In reply to Fenrir • 4:11p, 7/20/18
AG
People liked Bill Cosby
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4:11p, 7/20/18
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Quote:
"My words of nearly a decade ago were, at the time, totally failed and unfortunate efforts to be provocative. I have regretted them for many years since not just because they were stupid, not at all funny, wildly insensitive, and certainly not provocative like I had hoped, but also because they don't reflect the person I am today or have been for some time."

"Regardless of how much time has passed, I understand and accept the business decisions taken today. Even these many years later, I take full responsibility for the way I conducted myself then. All I can do now, beyond offering my sincere and heartfelt regret, is to be the best human being I can be: accepting, understanding, committed to equality, and far more thoughtful about my public statements and my obligations to our public discourse. To everyone inside my industry and beyond, I again offer my deepest apologies. Love to all."
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In reply to israeliag • 4:13p, 7/20/18
AG
Surely you're not comparing some tweets to what Cosby did over decades and to dozens of women.
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4:14p, 7/20/18
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In reply to israeliag • 4:16p, 7/20/18
And people defended Cosby for a very long time.
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4:17p, 7/20/18
AG
Gunn seems to understand the situation.. he will be fine if he truly has changed (which I think he has) and will be back directing non Marvel properties in the future.

Who they get to take over will be interesting. Taika is my choice, but isn't he deep in production of his own movie?
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