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GreasenUSA said:

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veryfuller said:

I mean, as someone who is actively trying to figure this out to introduce to my kids, I think perhaps maybe you are UNDER thinking it. Rogue One is very accessible to even a casual Star Wars fan but I think if you are coming in cold, its not really as inviting as you are thinking it is.


ANH is the way to go. You get to watch it our family when you turn five. Basic primers of the force, good and evil easy to understand and see, plus you get to wrestle at a basic level with a good guy you care about dying in the process.
Seriously. Start from the beginning. Anything else is overthinking it.
release date order beginning!

Only exception to this is doing ANH and tESB…..and then doing tPM, AotC, all the clones wars cartoons, RotS, rebels cartoons, Solo, and Rogue One……and then go back to RotJ and the sequel trilogy….
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I consider Clone Wars cartoon as canon and necessary to include in any Star Wars watching order. It has some of the best arcs in Star Wars and you could almost effectively substitute it for the Clone Wars movie. It also has some duds (3PO and R2 centric episodes) but that is a given considering how many episodes there are.

Rebels not as much since its immediate impact is newer Star Wars content, but I could be convinced to include it...
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My son and I are finishing up Rebels for the first time right now.

Thrawn is that dude.
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TCTTS said:

veryfuller said:

I mean, as someone who is actively trying to figure this out to introduce to my kids, I think perhaps maybe you are UNDER thinking it. Rogue One is very accessible to even a casual Star Wars fan but I think if you are coming in cold, its not really as inviting as you are thinking it is.

I genuinely don't understand what's not accessible/inviting about it...

- Obvious bad guys (the Empire), who very clearly rule the galaxy with "terror," need a scientists to finish building their super weapon. In the process they kill the scientist's wife, then take him, leaving his daughter orphaned.

- The scientist's daughter grows up an aimless criminal, but ultimately finds purpose (along with a sense of focused revenge) when she's recruited to join a band of rebels who are trying to take down the Empire.

- The rebels aren't Boy Scouts by any means, but they're clearly on the right side of history, and accomplish their very-sympathetic/very-easily-explained goal in the end.

Overall, it's an insanely simple plot to follow, one that sets up the stakes/overall dynamic of the galaxy in beyond obvious fashion. And then any questions left dangling in that regard are answered in the very next movie.

Otherwise, what else do we need to know? How could someone who's never seen a Star Wars movie be confused in any *significant* way during the events of Rogue One? Sure, at one point maybe they're wondering what, exactly, the Force is, or who this Darth Vader fellow is, but both are basically in the fringes, neither question makes the movie unaccessible/uninviting by any means, and again, any necessary context for both is addressed within a half hour of the next movie.


You're too nerdy. That's your problem. Not everyone who sits down to watch Star Wars is on your level
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Brian Earl Spilner said:

GreasenUSA said:

AGC said:

veryfuller said:

I mean, as someone who is actively trying to figure this out to introduce to my kids, I think perhaps maybe you are UNDER thinking it. Rogue One is very accessible to even a casual Star Wars fan but I think if you are coming in cold, its not really as inviting as you are thinking it is.


ANH is the way to go. You get to watch it our family when you turn five. Basic primers of the force, good and evil easy to understand and see, plus you get to wrestle at a basic level with a good guy you care about dying in the process.
Seriously. Start from the beginning. Anything else is overthinking it.
But Phantom Menace is the beginning...


Correct. This is what I initially meant as the movie I heavily considered her starting out with. It's not nearly as dated as the original trilogy and it's literally the 1st movie as far as the story line is concerned in the three trilogies.
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My level? The entire point of my post was to show how straightforward Rogue One is for anyone with two eyes and a brain.
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Aggie Dad 26 said:

TCTTS said:

veryfuller said:

I mean, as someone who is actively trying to figure this out to introduce to my kids, I think perhaps maybe you are UNDER thinking it. Rogue One is very accessible to even a casual Star Wars fan but I think if you are coming in cold, its not really as inviting as you are thinking it is.

I genuinely don't understand what's not accessible/inviting about it...

- Obvious bad guys (the Empire), who very clearly rule the galaxy with "terror," need a scientists to finish building their super weapon. In the process they kill the scientist's wife, then take him, leaving his daughter orphaned.

- The scientist's daughter grows up an aimless criminal, but ultimately finds purpose (along with a sense of focused revenge) when she's recruited to join a band of rebels who are trying to take down the Empire.

- The rebels aren't Boy Scouts by any means, but they're clearly on the right side of history, and accomplish their very-sympathetic/very-easily-explained goal in the end.

Overall, it's an insanely simple plot to follow, one that sets up the stakes/overall dynamic of the galaxy in beyond obvious fashion. And then any questions left dangling in that regard are answered in the very next movie.

Otherwise, what else do we need to know? How could someone who's never seen a Star Wars movie be confused in any *significant* way during the events of Rogue One? Sure, at one point maybe they're wondering what, exactly, the Force is, or who this Darth Vader fellow is, but both are basically in the fringes, neither question makes the movie unaccessible/uninviting by any means, and again, any necessary context for both is addressed within a half hour of the next movie.

You're too nerdy. That's your problem. Not everyone who sits down to watch Star Wars is on your level
That statement is likely offensive to the actual Star Wars nerds on this board.
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fig96 said:

Aggie Dad 26 said:

TCTTS said:

veryfuller said:

I mean, as someone who is actively trying to figure this out to introduce to my kids, I think perhaps maybe you are UNDER thinking it. Rogue One is very accessible to even a casual Star Wars fan but I think if you are coming in cold, its not really as inviting as you are thinking it is.

I genuinely don't understand what's not accessible/inviting about it...

- Obvious bad guys (the Empire), who very clearly rule the galaxy with "terror," need a scientists to finish building their super weapon. In the process they kill the scientist's wife, then take him, leaving his daughter orphaned.

- The scientist's daughter grows up an aimless criminal, but ultimately finds purpose (along with a sense of focused revenge) when she's recruited to join a band of rebels who are trying to take down the Empire.

- The rebels aren't Boy Scouts by any means, but they're clearly on the right side of history, and accomplish their very-sympathetic/very-easily-explained goal in the end.

Overall, it's an insanely simple plot to follow, one that sets up the stakes/overall dynamic of the galaxy in beyond obvious fashion. And then any questions left dangling in that regard are answered in the very next movie.

Otherwise, what else do we need to know? How could someone who's never seen a Star Wars movie be confused in any *significant* way during the events of Rogue One? Sure, at one point maybe they're wondering what, exactly, the Force is, or who this Darth Vader fellow is, but both are basically in the fringes, neither question makes the movie unaccessible/uninviting by any means, and again, any necessary context for both is addressed within a half hour of the next movie.

You're too nerdy. That's your problem. Not everyone who sits down to watch Star Wars is on your level
That statement is likely offensive to the actual Star Wars nerds on this board.


Probably and my apologies.

For a casual movie goer, I think he's off on what's best to start someone off on Stat Wars. The typical "Star Wars nerd" might get it wrong, IDK

Either way, I have her willing to watch a forth Star Wars movie now, so it's a win.

So far
1. Revenge of the Sith
2. Force Awakens
3. Last Jedi

Next up, Rise of Skywalker
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fig96 said:

Aggie Dad 26 said:

TCTTS said:

veryfuller said:

I mean, as someone who is actively trying to figure this out to introduce to my kids, I think perhaps maybe you are UNDER thinking it. Rogue One is very accessible to even a casual Star Wars fan but I think if you are coming in cold, its not really as inviting as you are thinking it is.

I genuinely don't understand what's not accessible/inviting about it...

- Obvious bad guys (the Empire), who very clearly rule the galaxy with "terror," need a scientists to finish building their super weapon. In the process they kill the scientist's wife, then take him, leaving his daughter orphaned.

- The scientist's daughter grows up an aimless criminal, but ultimately finds purpose (along with a sense of focused revenge) when she's recruited to join a band of rebels who are trying to take down the Empire.

- The rebels aren't Boy Scouts by any means, but they're clearly on the right side of history, and accomplish their very-sympathetic/very-easily-explained goal in the end.

Overall, it's an insanely simple plot to follow, one that sets up the stakes/overall dynamic of the galaxy in beyond obvious fashion. And then any questions left dangling in that regard are answered in the very next movie.

Otherwise, what else do we need to know? How could someone who's never seen a Star Wars movie be confused in any *significant* way during the events of Rogue One? Sure, at one point maybe they're wondering what, exactly, the Force is, or who this Darth Vader fellow is, but both are basically in the fringes, neither question makes the movie unaccessible/uninviting by any means, and again, any necessary context for both is addressed within a half hour of the next movie.

You're too nerdy. That's your problem. Not everyone who sits down to watch Star Wars is on your level
That statement is likely offensive to the actual Star Wars nerds on this board.
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I will gladly conceded to TPE and the like. I'd say I'm more of Star Wars movie enthusiast, and definitely no wider franchise/canon expert.

(That said, as far as I know I'm the only one here ever employed by The Force.net, which has to count for something.)
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A job?
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TCTTS said:

(That said, as far as I know I'm the only one here ever employed by The Force.net, which has to count for something.)
I wasn't ever officially employed, but did artwork/design for them on a few occasions and went to the TPM event in Dallas with Scott and the guys and we got to see Billy Dee Williams clearly not excited to be there.
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Nice! That's awesome.

I stand corrected then.

Yeah, this was circa 2001, so a year or two after that. That said, while I dealt with Scott regularly via email, and a couple times over the phone, I never actually met him in person. I did a bunch of video stuff back then for the athletic department, and at one point he asked me if I could shoot, I think, an Ian McDiarmid interview at a convention in Houston, but I had a conflict with my actual job in the athletic department, so I couldn't.
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Rogue One also leads directly into ANH. You could easily watch them back to back.
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TCTTS said:

My level? The entire point of my post was to show how straightforward Rogue One is for anyone with two eyes and a brain.


I'm a Cyclops you f'ing racist. What about me?
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You and all the other dickholes can get bent...

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Very cool! I don't remember exactly how I connected with Scott, was active on the forums and had posted some design work, then he invited me to a screening in Houston (Galaxy Quest, we all went in totally blind and had a blast) and we stayed in touch.
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Correct order to watch is

Rogue one
4
5
1
2
3
6
Solo

That's it
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Rogue One is so much cooler if you watch it after the original trilogy. The ending scene hits so much harder then.
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Ornithopter said:

Rogue One is so much cooler if you watch it after the original trilogy. The ending scene hits so much harder then.


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how anyone can think seeing rogue one before episode 4 is a good idea is completely bizarre to me...just off the top of my head if you watch rogue one first before episode 4 you lose out on:

1. Princess Leia: the surprise of seeing her at the end was massive. Her line of "Hope" ties in perfectly with A New Hope but of course at the time of watching that scene that all means nothing if youre watching rogue one first....who is this random white clothed weird haired chick??? if you see rogue one first that character and her impact is meaningless and actually takes away from the story because she just becomes some random character that you don't know being the last thing you see before the ship takes off.....

2. The Tantive IV: or whatever the name is I probably butchered that.....but again.....seeing that ship for those of us that saw Rogue One in the proper order was huge! we all gasped in the theatre when we saw that because it was only then when you realized this tied right in to A New Hope and it gave you legit goosebumps...........seeing rogue one first and all that ship becomes is a random thing for the rebels to get away in and seeing it again if you're watching A New Hope second should be expected....meh....

3. Grand Moff Tarkin: no one expected to see him in this movie and his reveal was a complete shock in a positive way! seeing rogue one first and all he becomes is a random weird CGI faced guy.....

4. The Death Star: those who see this in release date order already know how big and bad this thing is...people have already seen it destroy an entire planet and watched a whole movie with our heros destorying it at the last second before it wipes them out entirely........with watching rogue one first the dread of that ship carries far less weight (only see it destroy 2 cities) and thus the entire story of Rogue One sacrificing everything just to get the plans on how to destory it......this is one of the biggest issues with seeing rogue one first as the weight of the stakes are so much lower for the viewer because they don't know the full amount of power that thing has and what it will do in the future....

But let's go further now into seeing this movie also before ESB and ROTJ.....

5. Darth Vader: this baddie for everyone who's seen things in release date order is obviously well known...he's fought in all 3 films....killed obiwan....hell he killed the friggin emperor.....so when he shows up in that hallyway and right before he ignites that saber we hear his signature breathing....and us regular folks know, "awwwww crap those red shirts are SCREWED!".............for someone who sees rogue one first while yes it'll still be a cool scene to watch...it still won't hit the same as that would be only the second time on screen they would have ever seen vader.....the feeling of dread of what's hitting those rebels is again much less because they've missed out on 3 films with this bad guy....

6. Mon Mothma: not as major but was still super fun for a call back to see a rebel general from ROTJ be present and help with calling the shots

bottom line.....that movie was written assuming folks who are seeing it have already seen the original trilogy and skipping ahead to see it first carries far more negatives than anything positive that could be gain from a story standpoint
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Atreides Ornithopter said:

Correct order to watch is

Rogue one
4
5
1
2
3
6
Solo



That's it


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I think you can make a case that the view order for a first time watcher is different than the view order for someone who has seen the movies before.

If you have already seen all the movies, starting with Rogue One and having the Prequels as the Darth Vader flashback before Jedi makes a lot of sense.

I think for first time watches jumping between eras of film making (Disney, OT, PT, and OT) could be very jarring.
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I'm rewatching Andor for the third time, and I realized I had no idea who played Maarva. Turns out it's Fiona Shaw, who also played Mrs. Dursley in the Harry Potter franchise.

Honestly, I would never have made that connection because the two characters on such extreme but opposite ends of the forgettableness spectrum.
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I remember her from the old Super Mario Bros movie. Never saw the Harry Potter films.
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Atreides Ornithopter said:

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I'm just going to leave these here. So awesome!



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Looks like they found your great-grandfather...

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Cue Grogu removing a dying Din Djarin's helmet on Hosnian Prime just as the First Order obliterates it.

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Star Wars. Not A New Hope. Not episode 4. STAR WARS is the only acceptable answer for the intro to Star Wars. It's a stand alone movie. Really the only one. And it introduces all that is awesome about the entire thing.
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Except that it's not a standalone movie as it has prequels, sequels, and spinoffs.
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