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redline248 said:

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What I don't understand is the complaint about their weapons vs the empire, as if history isn't full of instances of a technologically superior force getting whipped by a less advanced one. Especially with the element of surprise.

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Ewoks are essentially the Fremen from Dune.

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lol. "Essentially".

ArmyAg2002 said:

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The greatest space battle in Star Wars is in ROTJ!

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Sure, and ROTS contains at least 3 badass lightsaber fights, one of which is an all-timer.

The Collective said:

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ArmyAg2002 said:

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The greatest space battle in Star Wars is in ROTJ!

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I get the Ewok hate, but the 3rd act rocks even with Ewoks beating AT-STs with a stick. The attempted seduction of Luke is some of the best Star Wars there is.

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So is the Darth Plagueis scene.

And for the record, let the record show I enjoy ROTJ, for all the reasons already mentioned. (Great space battle, Vader vs Luke, Luke throwing away his saber, etc.)

I just have a slight preference for ROTS, as it's the one that released when I was in high school and I have great memories of going to see with all my nerd friends.

jokershady said:

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Aggie Dad 26 said:

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I got my girlfriend to watch Star Wars this weekend. I started her off on Revenge of the Sith, and today we saw Force Awakens.

She says she hates to admit it, but I was right, it's pretty good.

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So you showed her the two of the three movies where the backstory for everything is the most crucial with her having no backstory at all?

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Because starting her in 1977 wad a better idea?

She's a millennial, born in 1990. I wanted her to start with something that didn't feel dated. Revenge of the Sith shows the birth of Darth Vader. People who know very little about Star Wars, know Darth Vader. ROTS also has some love story in it. It really does make for a good starting point for a female, that's a millennial, and knows very little about Star Wars.

What would have been your suggestion, New Hope? I considered that.

As a 21 year old I began watching Stars Wars in 2001. I had seen some of the original trilogy in the 80s as a kid

When I started in 2001, I started with the 1977 film. I had someone with me explaining things just as I did her with Revenege of the Sith

I mean I was born in 1990 as well but I also grew up with it

Rogue One actually would have been pretty solid as a choice like TC said

Saxsoon said:

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I mean I was born in 1990 as well but I also grew up with it

Rogue One actually would have been pretty solid as a choice like TC said

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Yeah, but you millennials can be picky. Maybe not you specifically, but millennials in general won't watch a lot of "old movies"

I was born in 1980. I don't mind watching movies from eras before me. But millennials... *sigh*

They do Mrs Doubtfire for "old movies"

I've introduced some people to Star Wars. TESB always hits. If you don't enjoy it, you aren't going to like Star Wars. That's my thought.

The Collective said:

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I've introduced some people to Star Wars. TESB always hits. If you don't enjoy it, you aren't going to like Star Wars. That's my thought.

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This.

Also, IMO, as good as it is, ANH is the only one that really feels "old" and kind of slow. TESB and ROTJ feel a lot more modern and fast-paced to me.

veryfuller said:

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The biggest problem with starting with Rogue One, is it relies heavily on the universe/lore built in the originals and the prequels. If you don't know ANY of that, then the politics are VERY confusing. And the way people talk about the force would be confusing in this movie, and then cause more confusion in future movies, IMHO.

I love Rogue One, but I actually think its maybe the worst starter for the IP. I would say start with A New Hope, The Phantom Menace or The Force Awakens.

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Agree

Personally RO is not a good intro. Growing the connection with the main characters is more important than the backstory. The backstory is amazing when you know the rest of the story. But it is a big downer as an opener. None of the characters you get to know live. Makes it tough

Spoiler alert.

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I mean, as someone who is actively trying to figure this out to introduce to my kids, I think perhaps maybe you are UNDER thinking it. Rogue One is very accessible to even a casual Star Wars fan but I think if you are coming in cold, its not really as inviting as you are thinking it is.

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This.

veryfuller said:

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I mean, as someone who is actively trying to figure this out to introduce to my kids, I think perhaps maybe you are UNDER thinking it. Rogue One is very accessible to even a casual Star Wars fan but I think if you are coming in cold, its not really as inviting as you are thinking it is.

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I genuinely don't understand what's not accessible/inviting about it...

- Obvious bad guys (the Empire), who very clearly rule the galaxy with "terror," need a scientists to finish building their super weapon. In the process they kill the scientist's wife, then take him, leaving his daughter orphaned.

- The scientist's daughter grows up an aimless criminal, but ultimately finds purpose (along with a sense of focused revenge) when she's recruited to join a band of rebels who are trying to take down the Empire.

- The rebels aren't Boy Scouts by any means, but they're clearly on the right side of history, and accomplish their very-sympathetic/very-easily-explained goal in the end.

Overall, it's an insanely simple plot to follow, one that sets up the stakes/overall dynamic of the galaxy in beyond obvious fashion. And then any questions left dangling in that regard are answered in the very next movie.

Otherwise, what else do we need to know? How could someone who's never seen a Star Wars movie be confused in any *significant* way during the events of Rogue One? Sure, at one point maybe they're wondering what, exactly, the Force is, or who this Darth Vader fellow is, but both are basically in the fringes, neither question makes the movie unaccessible/uninviting by any means, and again, any necessary context for both is addressed within a half hour of the next movie.

Because there's no character you connect with that actually carries over into the main saga.

It's like if I watched the first episode of Game of Thrones for the first time, and at the end, all the Starks died.

I loved this answer from Sam Witwer:

The rebels as a rootable underdog *do* carry over, though.

Inherently...

We already care about their plight.

We already care about seeing their mission (taking down the Death Star) fulfilled.

We already care about seeing the Empire fall.

Again, though, this scenario is for a very specific use case: the millennial who apparently can't sit through an "old" movie. So, IMO, whatever inaccessibility may or may not come with seeing Rogue One first, it's absolutely worth the upside of grabbing/holding their attention with a modern movie first.

Honestly, I would be more confused starting with Rise of the Sith.

This is pretty good.

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I would be more confused starting with Rise of the Sith.

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When did that come out? Must have missed it being too busy griping about The Acolyte or something.

REVENGE!

I accidentally combined Revenge of the Sith and The Rise of Skywalker.

TCTTS said:

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REVENGE!

I accidentally combined Revenge of the Sith and The Rise of Skywalker.

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Dang, thought I missed one.

BenTheGoodAg said:

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I loved this answer from Sam Witwer:

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I love whenever Sam talks about Star Wars. So much reverence

veryfuller said:

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I mean, as someone who is actively trying to figure this out to introduce to my kids, I think perhaps maybe you are UNDER thinking it. Rogue One is very accessible to even a casual Star Wars fan but I think if you are coming in cold, its not really as inviting as you are thinking it is.

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ANH is the way to go. You get to watch it our family when you turn five. Basic primers of the force, good and evil easy to understand and see, plus you get to wrestle at a basic level with a good guy you care about dying in the process.

AGC said:

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veryfuller said:

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I mean, as someone who is actively trying to figure this out to introduce to my kids, I think perhaps maybe you are UNDER thinking it. Rogue One is very accessible to even a casual Star Wars fan but I think if you are coming in cold, its not really as inviting as you are thinking it is.

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ANH is the way to go. You get to watch it our family when you turn five. Basic primers of the force, good and evil easy to understand and see, plus you get to wrestle at a basic level with a good guy you care about dying in the process.

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Seriously. Start from the beginning. Anything else is overthinking it.

And "from the beginning," I assume you don't mean The Acolyte.

Good one. Touche

GreasenUSA said:

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AGC said:

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veryfuller said:

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I mean, as someone who is actively trying to figure this out to introduce to my kids, I think perhaps maybe you are UNDER thinking it. Rogue One is very accessible to even a casual Star Wars fan but I think if you are coming in cold, its not really as inviting as you are thinking it is.

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ANH is the way to go. You get to watch it our family when you turn five. Basic primers of the force, good and evil easy to understand and see, plus you get to wrestle at a basic level with a good guy you care about dying in the process.

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Seriously. Start from the beginning. Anything else is overthinking it.

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But Phantom Menace is the beginning...