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Ag Since 83 said:

I guess I'll go with

1. ESB
2. ANH

3. R1
4. ROTJ
5. TLJ
6. TFA

7. ROTS

8. AOTC
9. TPM

3-6 are all really close though and I will probably continuously rearrange them
Dude! Yours and mine almost mirror each other... I even said the middle four are almost interchangeable!
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I don't know how some of you can place TLJ quite yet.
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Farmer1906 said:

Going to my 2nd showing of TLJ.


After seeing it again the things that seemed to brother everyone didn't bither me so much. The highs were high enough to cover up the lows and really make the movie memorable.
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My thoughts exactly.
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Cstrickland05 said:

Never understood the hate for the Ewoks. Wookies would have been cooler, but we got Ewoks. Plus it's not like they defeated the whole Empire, just a small group defending the shield generator.

I remember in history when a small group of natives, who should have had no chance against a mighty empire, fought and won a whole war: the American colonists.

Revenge of the Sith is the best of the prequels, but it is just the tallest midget in the group.
Lucas said Star Wars was for 12 year olds. I was 12 when ROTJ came out. Loved it. Absolutely loved it. Great movie.
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Brilliant
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Cave Johnson, CEO
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Ohh, the weather outside is weather.
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AggieChemist said:


meh.
it is amazing the leaps and bounds people are going to, to justify the horrible storytelling, horrible pacing, and the many other issues of this film.
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SeattleAgJr said:

AggieChemist said:


meh.
it is amazing the leaps and bounds people are going to, to justify the horrible storytelling, horrible pacing, and the many other issues of this film.
It seems like your mission to trash this movie nonstop. Are you getting paid to do so?
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Jesus, dude.

You are just exhausting.

Give it a rest.
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SeattleAgJr said:

AggieChemist said:


meh.
it is amazing the leaps and bounds people are going to, to justify the horrible storytelling, horrible pacing, and the many other issues of this film.
"It is amazing the leaps and bounds people are going to, to trash a movie they simply didn't like."

There is a reason why the prequels were panned by both audiences and critics: awful dialogue, wooden performances, 5-year old targeted humor, etc. etc.

The Last Jedi doesn't suffer from issues of a "bad" film. The consensus is that most all of the actors gave good-to-very good performances, the humor hit, the visuals were fantastic, the story was creative, thematic elements were present and consistent, there weren't any glaring plot holes, etc., etc.

All that is going on here is that there is a decent-sized chunk of the Star Wars fanbase that simply didn't like the story choices. Which is fine, and to be expected when the movie is taken in a very different direction.
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amercer said:

TCTTS said:


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"Some" of the Ewok stuff. Meaning the second half of the movie.

I said the third act, minus the Ewok stuff, i.e. everything with Luke/Vader/Palpatine, which is towering, all-time trilogy-ending blockbuster greatness. Nothing in ROTS comes close to the drama, weight, or catharsis of that sequence. Not even close.


The minutes between Vader saying "and your sister" and Luke throwing his lightsaber at the emperors feet is the best part of any Star Wars movie.
This is so f***ing badass:

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Brian Earl Spilner said:

Jesus, dude.

You are just exhausting.

Give it a rest.
I stopped following the TLJ spoiler thread because the people that hated it just kept rehashing it. Exhausting is a great word for it.
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It's interesting how this thread has now become where people with a positive view of the movie post and the spoiler thread has turned into a negative echo chamber...
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FTACO97 said:

It's interesting how this thread has now become where people with a positive view of the movie post and the spoiler thread has turned into a negative echo chamber...
I think people are happy to hear differing opinions, at least I am. But when you just toss out generic hate like "horrible storytelling, horrible pacing, and the many other issues of this film" that means nothing.

I thought it was paced amazingly well considering how long it was, I was never bored or checking my watch, and while you may not like the direction the story went that doesn't make it bad storytelling.

Some folks don't like the choices that were made and that's their prerogative, but that doesn't make it a bad film.
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Saul Goodman said:

SeattleAgJr said:

AggieChemist said:


meh.
it is amazing the leaps and bounds people are going to, to justify the horrible storytelling, horrible pacing, and the many other issues of this film.
"It is amazing the leaps and bounds people are going to, to trash a movie they simply didn't like."

There is a reason why the prequels were panned by both audiences and critics: awful dialogue, wooden performances, 5-year old targeted humor, etc. etc.

The Last Jedi doesn't suffer from issues of a "bad" film. The consensus is that most all of the actors gave good-to-very good performances, the humor hit, the visuals were fantastic, the story was creative, thematic elements were present and consistent, there weren't any glaring plot holes, etc., etc.

All that is going on here is that there is a decent-sized chunk of the Star Wars fanbase that simply didn't like the story choices. Which is fine, and to be expected when the movie is taken in a very different direction.


And yet we started the movie with a very unfunny and out of place "can you hold" scene. Finn, Hux, Rose, Codebreaker, and Phasma all delivered pitiful acting jobs in this one. The entire casino subplot was a waste of 30 minutes as it did not advance the plot nor develop any characters in any meaningful way. There was little to no character development across the board, save for Kylo, and the rest is just shoveled up for us to accept it.

But you are right, no resemblance of a bad film here.

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Cromagnum said:

Saul Goodman said:

SeattleAgJr said:

AggieChemist said:


meh.
it is amazing the leaps and bounds people are going to, to justify the horrible storytelling, horrible pacing, and the many other issues of this film.
"It is amazing the leaps and bounds people are going to, to trash a movie they simply didn't like."

There is a reason why the prequels were panned by both audiences and critics: awful dialogue, wooden performances, 5-year old targeted humor, etc. etc.

The Last Jedi doesn't suffer from issues of a "bad" film. The consensus is that most all of the actors gave good-to-very good performances, the humor hit, the visuals were fantastic, the story was creative, thematic elements were present and consistent, there weren't any glaring plot holes, etc., etc.

All that is going on here is that there is a decent-sized chunk of the Star Wars fanbase that simply didn't like the story choices. Which is fine, and to be expected when the movie is taken in a very different direction.


And yet we started the movie with a very unfunny and out of place "can you hold" scene. Finn, Hux, Rose, Codebreaker, and Phasma all delivered pitiful acting jobs in this one. The entire casino subplot was a waste of 30 minutes as it did not advance the plot nor develop any characters in any meaningful way. There was little to no character development across the board, save for Kylo, and the rest is just shoveled up for us to accept it.

But you are right, no resemblance of a bad film here.


Or the first scene was consistent to exactly what we saw from Poe in the first film and established that he tended to operate outside his orders, the acting was on par with most of the rest of the series, the casino subplot developed several new characters and introduced us to a place we didn't know anything about while opening our eyes to shades of gray we'd never seen in this black and white world before, and we saw Rey and Kylo (the two main characters) develop pretty dramatically among others.
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- Sorry you didn't find the "can you hold" scene funny, the theater I was in laughed pretty hard at that one. Humor is very subjective.
- Not sure what to tell you on the "pitiful acting jobs", but I think it's safe to say you're in a small minority on that one
- I think a lot of people weren't thrilled by the casino stuff, but it definitely advanced the character of Finn, and setup a larger story in the Star Wars universe. Sorry you missed that part of it.
- "Little to no character development". Again, sounds like you weren't paying attention. I personally wanted a bit more clarity on Rey's development, but it's certainly there regarding her coming to terms with her past and identity. There was pretty clear development with the other mains (Luke, Finn, Poe, Kylo).

Again, I can't argue with someone for having a negative opinion regarding the story choices and whether or not it connected with them. However, half of the criticisms you brought up just sounds like someone who wasn't paying attention.
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Cromagnum said:

Saul Goodman said:

SeattleAgJr said:

AggieChemist said:


meh.
it is amazing the leaps and bounds people are going to, to justify the horrible storytelling, horrible pacing, and the many other issues of this film.
"It is amazing the leaps and bounds people are going to, to trash a movie they simply didn't like."

There is a reason why the prequels were panned by both audiences and critics: awful dialogue, wooden performances, 5-year old targeted humor, etc. etc.

The Last Jedi doesn't suffer from issues of a "bad" film. The consensus is that most all of the actors gave good-to-very good performances, the humor hit, the visuals were fantastic, the story was creative, thematic elements were present and consistent, there weren't any glaring plot holes, etc., etc.

All that is going on here is that there is a decent-sized chunk of the Star Wars fanbase that simply didn't like the story choices. Which is fine, and to be expected when the movie is taken in a very different direction.


And yet we started the movie with a very unfunny and out of place "can you hold" scene. Finn, Hux, Rose, Codebreaker, and Phasma all delivered pitiful acting jobs in this one. The entire casino subplot was a waste of 30 minutes as it did not advance the plot nor develop any characters in any meaningful way. There was little to no character development across the board, save for Kylo, and the rest is just shoveled up for us to accept it.

But you are right, no resemblance of a bad film here.


Added spoilers, just in case.
I found it quite funny, especially the first time around. It fit what happened in 7 as well with the "Who's supposed to talk first" line.

Can you knock Phasma's acting when she only had one scene? I found the codebreaker to be interesting. His No good, no bad talk seemed to reinforce one of the main theme's of the movie.

Poe had significant development. He went from hot headed ace pilot to leader of the level headed resistance. Luke too. He had basically quit on life, rejected the force, and wanting to let the jedi end to badass once again trying to fix his mistakes and keep hope alive.
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Saul Goodman said:


The consensus is that most all of the actors gave good-to-very good performances, the humor hit, the visuals were fantastic, the story was creative, thematic elements were present and consistent, there weren't any glaring plot holes, etc., etc.

All that is going on here is that there is a decent-sized chunk of the Star Wars fanbase that simply didn't like the story choices. Which is fine, and to be expected when the movie is taken in a very different direction.
I'll add one complaint (and I loved TLJ): It's not clear to me that there a single coherent story tying the latest triology together. That's a big complaint. More than anything, it's what made the original trilogy so great. The mystery, the family drama, and a unified plot. We have mystery and family drama in the latest installment, but I'm not sure we have a unified plot.
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Saul Goodman said:

SeattleAgJr said:

AggieChemist said:


meh.
it is amazing the leaps and bounds people are going to, to justify the horrible storytelling, horrible pacing, and the many other issues of this film.
"It is amazing the leaps and bounds people are going to, to trash a movie they simply didn't like."

There is a reason why the prequels were panned by both audiences and critics: awful dialogue, wooden performances, 5-year old targeted humor, etc. etc.

The Last Jedi doesn't suffer from issues of a "bad" film. The consensus is that most all of the actors gave good-to-very good performances, the humor hit, the visuals were fantastic, the story was creative, thematic elements were present and consistent, there weren't any glaring plot holes, etc., etc.

All that is going on here is that there is a decent-sized chunk of the Star Wars fanbase that simply didn't like the story choices. Which is fine, and to be expected when the movie is taken in a very different direction.


It's like you and I didn't see the same movie.
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I stayed away from spoilers, critics reviews, audience reviews, and went in fresh with no expectation.

I really enjoyed the movie. I loved how different it was. I loved how it will set up a new direction going forward as we've gotten a lot of the same style for 7 episodes. I think as more Star Wars movies come out in the future people will appreciate this one more.
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AggieSportsGuy said:

I stayed away from spoilers, critics reviews, audience reviews, and went in fresh with no expectation.

I really enjoyed the movie. I loved how different it was. I loved how it will set up a new direction going forward as we've gotten a lot of the same style for 7 episodes. I think as more Star Wars movies come out in the future people will appreciate this one more.

Please describe how it was different
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Cromagnum said:

Saul Goodman said:

SeattleAgJr said:

AggieChemist said:


meh.
it is amazing the leaps and bounds people are going to, to justify the horrible storytelling, horrible pacing, and the many other issues of this film.
"It is amazing the leaps and bounds people are going to, to trash a movie they simply didn't like."

There is a reason why the prequels were panned by both audiences and critics: awful dialogue, wooden performances, 5-year old targeted humor, etc. etc.

The Last Jedi doesn't suffer from issues of a "bad" film. The consensus is that most all of the actors gave good-to-very good performances, the humor hit, the visuals were fantastic, the story was creative, thematic elements were present and consistent, there weren't any glaring plot holes, etc., etc.

All that is going on here is that there is a decent-sized chunk of the Star Wars fanbase that simply didn't like the story choices. Which is fine, and to be expected when the movie is taken in a very different direction.


And yet we started the movie with a very unfunny and out of place "can you hold" scene. Finn, Hux, Rose, Codebreaker, and Phasma all delivered pitiful acting jobs in this one. The entire casino subplot was a waste of 30 minutes as it did not advance the plot nor develop any characters in any meaningful way. There was little to no character development across the board, save for Kylo, and the rest is just shoveled up for us to accept it.

But you are right, no resemblance of a bad film here.


Well, that gif certainly does apply to your post. Impressive. Most impressive.
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Some Han Solo bread crumbs.

http://www.slashfilm.com/han-solo-gangster-movie/

Quote:

But to tide us over while we wait for a trailer or the announcement that Solo: A Star Wars Story has been pushed back, Paul Bettany has some details for us. Bettany joined the project after Michael K. Williams could not return for reshoots, playing a mysterious "intergalactic gangster." But according to Bettany, he won't be the only gangster in this galaxy. He told Total Film:

"It's Han Solo's story, and of course his story would be a caper. On one level it's a gangster movie. That's really interesting, because it's within the canon but really different. It's ****ing Han Solo!"

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I think we can both agree on that
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Poe's on hold jokes were great. Star Wars has pretty good precedent for them too.
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letters at random said:

I'll add one complaint (and I loved TLJ): It's not clear to me that there a single coherent story tying the latest triology together. That's a big complaint. More than anything, it's what made the original trilogy so great. The mystery, the family drama, and a unified plot. We have mystery and family drama in the latest installment, but I'm not sure we have a unified plot.
One comment here: I think most of that "unified plot" from the original trilogy is only in hindsight.

Lucas created Star Wars without any sense of more movies (despite what he'll tell you about 9 chapters). That movie could've bombed - Alex Guinness hated it, it starred three nobodies (well, two, plus the daughter of a star) and really marked a new style in a niche market. That's why the climactic awards ceremony - it needed to stand on its own.

I remember how excited we all were when they announced the sequel. ESB was built as a transition file because he knew there'd be two more and I remember how pissed we all were at the big-reveal-to-cliffhanger. Then ROJ wrapped everything up. It was pretty dis-jointed going through it "live"

This movie (and the last) were baked around the idea that there would be three films. One thing I did NOT like about TFA is that last scene blowing up the ginormous death star was unnecessarily like Star Wars. It just wasn't needed except to kill Han and I felt that could've gone a different direction. I thought this movie got it right in that it didn't simply rehash the ESB plot, but seemed to move the overall story along even though we won't get the full picture for two years.
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FTACO97 said:

It's interesting how this thread has now become where people with a positive view of the movie post and the spoiler thread has turned into a negative echo chamber...


I get that some people didn't like it (the box office numbers are reflecting that), and they made some good points, but I'm ready to get back to talking about what's next in the universe.

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I'm disappointed that they didn't plan out the three movies in advance, but we'll have to see the third one to know if it was a major mistake
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If true, I'd be pretty disappointed too. I've heard both ways and am not sure what to believe.
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1. ESB
2. ANH
3. ROTJ
4. RO
5. ROTS
6/7. TFA/TLJ (I need to see TLJ again, before I settle on this order)
8. TPM
9. AOTC

FWIW, I'm 44 and grew up with the franchise from the start, so I'm sure that certainly skews my perspective.
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1. Tie anh. Ro.
2. Esb
3. Tfa
4. Tie rotj. Rots

The other prequels abjectly suck

But this tlj not only sucks as a stand alone movie, it trashes the entire franchise. So far and away dfl

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