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Brian Earl Spilner
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Harrison Ford doing the ice bucket challenge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj_V_SxXy2U&feature=youtu.be

Mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TfnqppqUBOI

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Hamill is great.
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I wonder if the produces of Ep 7 were a little worried Harrison Ford was going to die while doing the challenge.

I would have to say that while his occupation with Padme was a big part of Anakin's downfall, it wasn't the sole reason. Obi-Wan Kenobi has to take some of the blame for continuing to train him even though he realized he was not able to let go of emotional attachments - either to Padme or to his mother. If the Jedi weren't such a bunch of D-bags, the smart thing to do would have been having one of the hardcore masters - Yoda, Windu, etc., take him on as a Padawan once they started really grasping how massively powerful he was.
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Losing his mother started him down the path, but it was his fear of losing Padme that was his ultimate downfall.

I don't think any of the blame can go to Obi-Wan. He obviously knew about his weaknesses and negative traits, but all padawans have similar traits I'm sure. Nobody's perfect, he had no way of knowing what his ultimate fate would be. Not to mention he made a promise to Qui-Gon that he'd train him. So if anything the blame should be split with him.

Also when Anakin went to Yoda in ROTS for his advice, Yoda felt his fear and advised him to let go of his attachments, but did nothing else. If anything he could be blamed as well for not stopping his training.

But ultimately it's a combination of him and the Emperor's fault. Palp knew his weaknesses and fears, and exploited them. Anakin was mentally frail and in love, and fell easy prey to his machinations.

/nerdrant

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Brian Earl Spilner
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If the Jedi weren't such a bunch of D-bags, the smart thing to do would have been having one of the hardcore masters - Yoda, Windu, etc., take him on as a Padawan once they started really grasping how massively powerful he was.


Side note: I wish we had seen more displays of how powerful Anakin truly was. Dispatching Dooku relatively easily in ROTS was a good start, but I wish he'd had one crazy, dark-side force moment like bringing down a ship or killing a bunch of seasoned Jedi with lightning or some other force powers.

Him killing the younglings took him way dark very quickly, but why not preface that scene with some badass dark side ****?
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Ya I dont why Yoda doesnt take him on. He clearly commands more respect than Kenobi from Skywalker. You cant have someone thats like your brother train you. On the flip side, if no one had trained him he would have ended up recruited by the dark side no doubt. The jedi needed him.
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I agree with the fact that Yoda or somebody on the council should have trained Young Anikan.. But weren't they all concerned with the presence of the dark side? I haven't seen the new trilogy in a while, so forgive me if I completely butchered that reasoning.
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If anything he could be blamed as well for not stopping his training.


Palpatine would have just recruited earlier. Anakin would have felt betrayed by the Order.
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He might have just been killed by the Sith if OBK and KJG had not of found him.
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Guys I don't remember every second of the prequels but Im sure it was all explained in one of the hours of scenes where people talk to each other while sitting on a couch or while walking together.
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OBK and KJG


Are these supposed to be Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon? That's a pretty horrible job if so.
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I believe "OBK and KJG" was their short-lived rap duo that won the Jedi Temple talent show.

Agree 100% about not seeing Anakin's powers in the prequels. The AOTC novelization does a great job of telling how he takes apart the Tusken village that would have been tremendous on-screen.

The ROTS novelization tells the opening duel from Dooku's perspective, and how he feels he's in total command until he realizes that Anakin is getting stronger as the duel wears on, only then realizing that Anakin is "half-Sith" already because the hatred and anger are fueling him to new highs.

You never saw anything from Anakin in any of his fights that matched Luke's onslaught of Vader in ROTJ after Vader revealed that he knew about Leia and would try and turn her. That was the definition of a Jedi giving into the Dark Side.
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Guys I don't remember every second of the prequels but Im sure it was all explained in one of the hours of scenes where people talk to each other while sitting on a couch or while walking together.
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Guys I don't remember every second of the prequels but Im sure it was all explained in one of the hours of scenes where people talk to each other while sitting on a couch or while walking together.
Knife_Party
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The good news is you can shoot lightining as Anakin in the EP3 video game for xbox, so at least theres that.
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Guys I don't remember every second of the prequels but Im sure it was all explained in one of the hours of scenes where people talk to each other while sitting on a couch or while walking together.


Flawless victory!
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Guys, it's pretty obvious why Yoda didn't take over the training of Anakin from Obi-Wan. In A New Hope, Obi-Wan tells Luke that he trained Anakin, and George Lucas would never contradict established canon 20+ years later.
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In A New Hope, Obi-Wan tells Luke that he trained Anakin


Well, technically, Obi-Wan said that he trained Vader, and that Anakin was just an "old friend/"
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That's just a matter of point of view.
MuckRaker96
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a good friend, not an old friend. /nerd
Urban Ag
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a certain point of view?
Brian Earl Spilner
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You fought in the clone wars?
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Never saw Anakin being much of a "cunning warrior" either.

He couldn't even get to the high ground!
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He lost all sense of strategy during that fight. It was blind, dark sided hatred.
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Luckily for Obi Wan, nobody ever taught Darth Maul the advantages of the high ground.
MuckRaker96
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Darth Maul was the DJ Swearinger of the Sith Lords, taunting instead of making the big hit.
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Darth Maul was the DJ Swearinger of the Sith Lords, taunting instead of making the big hit.


DJ Darth Swearinger is my all-time favorite DJ now!
Brian Earl Spilner
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Obi-Wan fought with anger for the last portion of the fight vs Darth Maul, and pretty much went toe-to-toe with him for that short span.

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Obi-Wan cutting Maul's saber in half is one of the most underrated moments of the prequels.

Although it should have been followed up with Obi-Wan saying, "WTF, how is that thing still working?"
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Obi Wan was a BAMF!
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Obi Wan was a BAMF!

There's a reason why he was Princes Leia's only hope.
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If I'm ranking prequel jedi/sith it probably goes

Yoda > Palpy > Windu >> Kenobi > Anakin >>> Dooku >> Maul

Yoda, Palpy, and Windu are all super close and its an "any given Sunday" situation with them. So ya. Obi wan was a top 5 most powerful jedi of his day. Def a BAMF.

Anakin, while powerful, was also a tactical idiot when his emotions and attachments were involved. Imo he had neither the serenity of Yoda, the supreme killer instinct of Palpy, or the quiet overconfidence of Kenobi and would always have lost battles because of it. He was emotionally broken. But I guess thats why he became Darth Vadet.
Brian Earl Spilner
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You can't put Obi-Wan above Dooku. Dooku bested him twice.

Furthermore, I think you have to put Anakin slightly above Obi-Wan as well. Yes Obi-Wan defeated him in Mustafar, but he "had the high ground". That fight was dead even for what, 20 minutes? So I think you give the edge to Anakin since he took down Dooku solo without too much trouble.

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Brian Earl Spilner
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Mace Windu vs. Anakin one-on-one would've been amazing to see in ROTS. My guess is Anakin would win it by a hair, and only because he'd tap into the Dark Side at some point.
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Actually I stick with Obi-Wan over Ani; both times Obi lost to Dooku, they were 2 on 1 fights, so he was having to account for Ani getting in his way.

Obi-Wan had the best 1-on-1 record in the prequels: 3-0 (Maul, Grievous, Ani)

meanwhile you've got:
Maul: 1-1-1
Dooku: 0-1-1 (you're like a bad soccer team, Dooku
Yoda: 0-0-2 (even worse than Dooku)
Ani: 1-1
Qui-Gon: 0-1-1
Sidious: 0-1-1 (I'm assuming he let Windu win, to goad Ani into action)
Windu: 1-0-0, but still died a really lousy death, falling thousands of feet after getting his hand cut off and electrified.


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