Is it ever said that there are beings with zero midiclorians? Or is it possible that everything has the force (and midiclorians) passing through them. Some have more, some have less.

Like everyone can learn to swim but some people have crazy long arms and are naturally more suited for it

I always viewed it as somewhere in between this recent statement and the midichlorian stuff. The force was all around but some were more sensitive to it than others.

Similar to throwing a football or hitting a golf ball. Sure, everyone can do it. But some people have natural talent for certain things, and hard work can help but only do so much.

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Like everyone can learn to swim but some people have crazy long arms and are naturally more suited for it

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Good analogy. Everyone can be taught to swim, but some people are naturally built to be better swimmers. Among the latter are people who work really hard at it and eventually become Michael Phelps.

I think it's well established by now that even Lucas didn't care about his own rules. I mean, to some degree the idea is true that all beings "have" the force. Vader said in the very first Star Wars about Luke "the force is strong in this one." Which implies all the other pilots he was blasting were weak, but it was still there.

But it also set up the premise that some were born with a better chance of using the Force than others. Lucas later decided to double down on it with midichlorians being the reason, and yes everyone hated that, but it still basically separated individuals into strong or weak in the force. Further emphasizing the separation was when Qui-gon claimed that if Anakin had been born in a Republic planet the Jedi would have found him as a baby. How many trillions of people live in Coruscant? The Jedi were not scooping them all up and teaching them the force.

Rey being a "nobody" is a separate issue that resulted in how JJ Abrams and crew wrote her character. They are the ones that made it out like she was someone important in that entire film, but with no answer as to why. Johnson comes along and says, nah she's just a nobody. That build up not paying off is why people hated it. Not b/c she was a nobody (who in the end wasn't just a nobody, though, was she? Which reinforces the bloodlines thing). They could have started from the get go of her being a nobody that was strong in the force and no one would have cared.

I would liken it to playing sports. Everyone can learn to shoot a basketball or throw a football, but no amount of training and work is ever going to turn me into Joe Montana or even a 12 year average backup in the NFL.

I thought the whole reason to have Huyang tell Sabine, and the audience, that she sucked at using the force was b/c hard work was never gonna help. Just be ok with being who you are. And of course they didn't land on that.

tldr: it is stupid and it's not really that consistent with the movies

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It's like a football player being rated as a 5 star vs a 2-3 star. Jedi council was consumed with only ratings so they took in a 5 star in anakin based on rating alone who felt everything should be given to him due to his natural talent. The council probably overlooked hungry 3 star that were willing to put in the work the right way.

Anakin was spoiled by NIL money from Watto and the Huts's sponsorship of his pod racer.

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It's like a football player being rated as a 5 star vs a 2-3 star. Jedi council was consumed with only ratings so they took in a 5 star in anakin based on rating alone who felt everything should be given to him due to his natural talent. The council probably overlooked hungry 3 star that were willing to put in the work the right way.

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Anakin Skywalker = Kyler Murray?

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It's like a football player being rated as a 5 star vs a 2-3 star. Jedi council was consumed with only ratings so they took in a 5 star in anakin based on rating alone who felt everything should be given to him due to his natural talent. The council probably overlooked hungry 3 star that were willing to put in the work the right way.

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What happens when the Jedi Temple loses a bunch of 5-star Jedi recruits to the Sith because the Grand Master is an idiot, but if they fire him, they have to pay him $76 million Republic Credits?

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I always viewed it as somewhere in between this recent statement and the midichlorian stuff. The force was all around but some were more sensitive to it than others.

Similar to throwing a football or hitting a golf ball. Sure, everyone can do it. But some people have natural talent for certain things, and hard work can help but only do so much.

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This is what I always thought. It's been a genetically implied ability for the entirety of Star Wars history regardless of that exchange with Lucas and Kasdan. Maybe he envisioned it as a learned ability but he implemented it as a genetic ability. And then double downed on it being genetic with midchlorians (unnecessarily dumb).

So I do understand the pushback on Filoni here especially since it was cheap the way it was done with Sabine.

In addition, if anyone could do it then there would be way more people that can do it. If you were born knowing you had the innate ability to develop superhuman skills and telepathy you would just ignore that and not try to develop it? Yeah, ok.

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Ryan Arey hosts one of the most popular recap channels on YouTube (ScreenCrush), which most people here seem to love, while Van Lathan literally has an Oscar, and hosts one of the most popular recap podcasts (The Midnight Boys). Mock the label all you want, but both are massive Star Wars fans who are each well-respected and, technically, influencers.

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Sorry TC, it's my own bias to think that the term influencer is just ridiculously stupid.

Van Lathan is great, I listen to him with Bill Simmons on the Rewatchables.

You'll mock the term "reactor", but are perfectly fine with influencer. That's an odd one.

I started watching Andor again last night. I had forgotten how fantastic it is.

I'm gonna go out an a limb and say at least one of those two will suck and they should bump them instead of Andor. That's just me being selfish though...