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kgc123
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I was a huge West Wing fan, still love watching reruns of it. What made West Wing so great though is you had a good amount of intellectual honesty when dealing with conservative issues. The show was certainly left leaning but it rarely made conservatives into a caricature of lunacy as every one of them seems to be so far on the show.


The West Wing was a great show, an all time great in IMHO. The reason the West Wing rarely 'made conservatives into a caricature of lunacy' was because there was visibly less lunacy in the party then. If people want The Newsroom to approach politics with intellectual honesty, move the Republican Party off the fringe.
TheTrillFan
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93, I don't know what to tell you, other than you may have a hard time separating fiction from reality. This is a work of fiction, and if it changes someone's political views then they are the problem, not the show. Oh, and politicians lie, and so do pundits.

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aggie93
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You guys are right. It's all just great reporting. I really liked tonight how the Koch Brothers are behind everything that Cato and Heritage support because they give them money (leaving out that they are probably the 2 most prominent and well funded conservative think tanks). I gave some money last year to the NRA too so they are just do my bidding, Wayne LaPierre is my b****.

All I am saying is the show would be better if it weren't on a mission to make MSNBC look Right Wing.
Keatre
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I actually think the show is far too conservative... since they mentioned it was the Clinton administration who 'repealed' Glass-Steagall, it obviously must be big business trying to shove conservative ideology down our throats. /s

...Come on '93, just enjoy the show. And if you don't enjoy it, don't watch it.
kgc123
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conservative think tanks


sounds like a paradox to me.
aggie93
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Wow kgc, that was brilliant.
Btron
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I thought Will's speech to the TMI report was awesome! He brought the heat for sure.
I also got a chuckle out of the fact that the majority of the male employees were all injured at once. Jim's head, Don's shoulder, slumdog’s hand, beat up reporter. That was very funny and subtle comedy.
20ag07
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Take your republican jokes elsewhere kgc, this thread is serious business now.
kgc123
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sorry I think I will stop spending so much time on the politics board, it is beginning to rub off on me.
20ag07
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Your posts are still short. When they novel length, then you know you've got a problem of them rubbing off on you.
kgc123
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The threads for this show boggle my mind, one is boring and political and the other thread----apparently the 'official' thread now has no politics but does have this:


aggie93
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And that is a problem why?

In all seriousness, life is awfully boring if you don't watch things that you disagree with or anger you on occasion. There is plenty to learn from the show, though from my perspective it is trying to understand how someone could think like the libs on that show. Of course I am just a gun totin' Tea Party guy but not a Registered Republican like Will.

Besides that though, it's the middle of Summer and Game of Thrones and Boardwalk Empire are still a long way off so what else is there to watch?
Elliot P. Campbell
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i'm actually really liking olivia munn's character, she's a better actress than i thought. looks like next week she might be playing a more prominent role than "witty quip" girl
jh0400
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From the other thread at 93's request:

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Otherwise the content of the programing is only pro Obama and anti tea party.



The Koch storyline makes for an effective drama. The scenes where they were attempting to ask the newly-elected Congressionman questions regarding the debt ceiling were factually correct that those who opposed raising it didn't truly understand what they were opposing.
aggie93
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Thanks for bringing it here.

The problem is the argument is a false one. The issue by those who actually threatened not to raise the debt ceiling wasn't if they would vote that way or not, it was that they were using one of the few tools available to force the President to cut spending. Every threat of not raising the debt ceiling was followed with "unless x spending cuts are made" and that the insane spending was brought under control. No one was saying they wanted to put the country into default simply because they didn't want to raise the debt ceiling, at least no one who actually won or who has any credibility.

It is especially hypocritical because Dems used the exact same tactics against Bush and the GOP. Here is Barack Obama from 2006:
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The fact that we're here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. Leadership means 'The buck stops here.' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better. I therefore intend to oppose the effort to increase America's debt limit.


In the show the implication is that the GOP was using an incorrect argument that somehow the debt ceiling had to do with spending cuts directly. It simply isn't true and the way they portrayed it in the show further showed how they realize it. They intentionally picked a cartoonish Congressman who never commented. They selectively chose to pick a fake Congressman because they can't find a real quote or facts to back up their highly misleading assertion.

The show is also trying hard to make Tea Party supporters into mindless robots that are manipulated by politicians into doing their bidding. Anyone that knows anything about the real Tea Party knows this is laughable. Most Tea Party folks are highly intelligent and often are successful businessman and are college educated and well informed. Are all of them? Of course not. The Tea Party has no formal structure but rather is a movement held together loosely by common issues. This is further evidenced by the fact that the "Tea Party" often endorses multiple candidates because there is no one running the ship nor is there a process to put one in place. It's actually amazing how much they have talked about the Tea Party and yet have avoided linking it to Obamacare, out of control spending, or career politicians that have lost touch with voters. As much as they may want it to be this isn't 1994 and the Tea Party is not the Christian Coalition.
jh0400
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Most Tea Party folks are highly intelligent and often are successful businessman and are college educated and well informed.


I think that really depends on your locale. I was a big Tea Party supporter until I perceived that the direction it was heading was a direction that I was not comfortable with. I have family members that are ardent Tea Party supporters, and not a single one of them was able to articulate what they were upset about.

I don't really care about the politics of the show, mainly because I realize that it is fiction. I also don't follow the intricacies of politics enough to have an opinion one way or the other regarding the how factual the show is in some of its representations. I will say that I have yet to hear Olivia Munn's character say anything re: the economy that I believe to be incorrect.
aggie93
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Munn's character has been fine so far in her descriptions of the economy, especially because we are just getting bits and pieces. She has been one of the few so far that hasn't been completely one sided.

The point on the Tea Party is less about whether typical members fit a certain profile as much as it isn't a unified movement but rather a collection of ideas. It is also something that means different things to different people. What matters is that it is being misrepresented in the show as some type of social conservative movement that is being funded by the Koch's. First off, the Tea Party has little to do with social conservatism other than many "Tea Party" folks also happen to be socially conservative. Second, the Koch's are libertarians which has nothing to do with social conservatism. They are involved with things like Cato and Heritage which are libertarian think tanks and push small government, pro business, lower tax initiatives. They aren't saints but they are far from being the primary force behind the Tea Party as the show implies.
TheTrillFan
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93, have you seen Fox News or MSNBC? Those are real news stations, and they lie, and tell half truths constantly... why would you be so up in arms about a fictitious news broadcast when there are ones that are supposed to be legit that can't even be truthful?


btw, I'm not meaning to flame, I just would like to gain some perspective on your views

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kgc123
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The point on the Tea Party is less about whether typical members fit a certain profile as much as it isn't a unified movement but rather a collection of ideas. It is also something that means different things to different people.


Then how is the tea party any different than the Wall Street protesters who the Tea Party and conservatives like to bash?
20ag07
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Over/under on that response is set at 3000 words.
aggie93
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Trill,

I don't watch much of Fox or MSNBC anymore, too many shows that have people yelling at each other. I read 98% of my news except for when a story of interest breaks. My feelings on Newsroom are more about knowing what it could be when looking at what Sorkin has done in the past with WW. As to my responses here it is more about folks accepting false information as fact or simply responding to people who bash things I believe in.

kgc,

There actually are similarities to the Tea Party and Occupy folks in terms of organization or the lack thereof. The demographics, tactics, and actions though are very different.

07,

Two responses in 113 words, better?
Keatre
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There actually are similarities to the Tea Party and Occupy folks in terms of organization or the lack thereof. The demographics, tactics, and actions though are very different.


And both are now viewed by the general public as crazy.

93, if the show took the opposite approach of what you claim, and leaned conservative, I don't think you'd have a problem at all.
20ag07
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93, if the show took the opposite approach of what you claim, and leaned conservative, I don't think you'd have a problem at all.
Amusing how he's jump to respond to anything in remotely politically minded, except that.
aggie93
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Actually it would probably be more boring to watch a conservative leaning show. Hard to say as Hollywood isn't exactly filled with conservative writers that could create such a show. My point has always been that a show with an assemblage of balance or at least intelligent "devil's advocate" thrown in makes for a better program. Personally I'm far more libertarian than conservative and agree with much of the points on social conservatism though I disagree strongly as to how influential it is in the GOP anymore compared to 15 years ago.

As to the Tea Party vs OWS I will agree that both have lost favor with the masses. Neither movement was really ever built to last though, the key is what ideas from the movements continue to gain favor.
iceman08
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20ag07
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Very good episode. Glad to see Olivia Munn get some upped screen time, and Will to mostly come across looking bad.

It still makes me laugh to see Sorkin recycling plots/rants- this time the "internet commenters" rant that was used in the Lemon Lyman ep of the WW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAB858elJOw

(If you're ever bored, here's the long story of Sorkin getting in fights with fans while posting on TelevisionWithOutPity http://*****kittie.blogspot.com/2006/02/long-back-story-of-aaron-sorkin-west.html- you want the b word in for the asterisks.)

The take on OBL next week should be pretty interesting, if nothing else.

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Elliot P. Campbell
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it's crazy to see such a good performance out of Munn when my only experience with her is Attack of the Show. really enjoying that character, and this was her episode to own
KT_Ag08
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Thought it was another really good episode. Less news drama which I missed but Munn was great. I wish HBO would give us a shower scene or something with her. Next week should be awesome as long as they don't over sensationalize it.

The scenes with Charlie (I think that is the boss' name) are always great.
Inspector Spacetime
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Anyone else keep thinking of the hollow-boned woman Jack Donaghy almost married on 30 Rock when you look at Mackenzie on this show?

Fantastic episode tonight, I thought. The scene with Olivia Munn's (who I'm becoming an increasingly big fan of) interview with the Japanese with the deceptive translator was so great, including the fallout argument afterward.
Kampfers
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I think this might have been my favorite episode so far. Really fantastic on all counts.
Inspector Spacetime
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Also I have since finished the episode and have to give a "WOW" to the Santorum-related interview scene with McAvoy. Not just his side, but the rebuttal from Santorum's staffer. Just great stuff.
kgc123
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great episode, the Santorum staffer was really good. I thought Munn did a terrific job of actually sounding fluent in Japanese too.

I had thought the same thing about the internet posters vis a vis The West Wing with 'Lemon Lymon'.
I also noticed some parallels with McAvoy and the shrink Habib that looked alot like President Bartlett doing the therapy sessions with Alan Arkin's character on The West Wing.

thumbs up though to another worthy show
boy09
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I thought Munn did a terrific job of actually sounding fluent in Japanese too.

She was raised in Japan. I'm guessing she picked up a little bit..
kgc123
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She was raised in Japan. I'm guessing she picked up a little bit..


well I am not a Munn biographer so I had no idea.
4ZORRO
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Can anyone believe anything that is believed by anyone, other than themselves?
 
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