Will it take off?

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9:55a, 1/2/07
So let me get this straight...(this ? for the "it will take off" crowd)

In the provided scenario the plane appears to not be moving until it takes off, assuming the planes speed in mph is equally matched by the opposite moving conveyor belt.

What would the speed of the airplane be once it's wheels left the ground?

Would it slowly rise or quickly accelerate to 200 mph?
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10:03a, 1/2/07
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So is this some kind of record yet or what?
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12:55p, 1/2/07
Dante: the plane IS moving forward before it takes off. Think about it - it's counterintuitive but it would actually happen. Thereby, the plane would accelerate and take off as normal. That's what the f'ing THE CONVEYOR IS MOOT crowd has been repeating for months.
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1:38p, 1/2/07
I don't think it would ever take off as there is no movement of air under the wings. If movement under the wheels were that important, all planes would take off toward the East so that they would be moving counter to the Earth's rotation.

Think about tires spinning on ice or how funny the cat looks trying to run on linoleum.

The plane would be literally spinning its wheels.....until the motor running the belt burns out, at which time they may take off much faster than they had planned, possibly into orbit.
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1:41p, 1/2/07
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The cat running on linoleum is moot!
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6:16p, 1/2/07
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Think about tires spinning on ice or how funny the cat looks trying to run on linoleum.


once again...the planes wheels are not powered...they will not spin on ice, they will not be used to counter the movement on the conveyor, they will not look like my dog running across the hardwood floor when the doorbell rings...

if you want to use your cat annalogy...what happens when the feline tries to stay in one spot on the floor but you give it a push? As fast as the cat can run against the outside force, it is never fast enough...the outside force (the jet engine/turbo prop/gerbil running in a wheel turning the propeller) always overcomes no force at all...
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6:19p, 1/2/07
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Dad-o-lot, this will be the third thread we've had this discussion in before. I'm just going to copy and paste my answer. Here it comes - this is a MUCH more accurate simulation than what you offered, especially considering thrust vs. effected weight.

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ad: we had this discussion on the other thread.

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Ugh, if I had time to waste I'd go to the airport and prove it. Here's how I'd do it.

I'd find the speed of the terminal walkway conveyors. We'll say 5mph.

I'd superglue and industrial fan to a skateboard. I would add weight to the system until the skateboard moves under the propulsion from the fan at a speed of 5mph.

I would put the skateboard on the conveyor, and turn on the fan. So your -5 mph from the conveyor, and the speed from the fan mimicing the turbines. The skateboard will move forward, it will NOT stay put.

Then I'd upload the video and be done with it.
Somebody please do this.




This was taken directly from this conversation which you were involved in.


And you're still wrong.

Are you saying that it is not possible for a conveyor belt to keep an object stationary if the object's propulsion is not from the wheels?
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I'm almost tempted to get sucked back into this troll of an argument...
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never mind...the feeling passed
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9:46a, 1/4/07
I asked my boss who was a rocket scientist at NASA for 10 years in the shuttle program and he said it will not take off......
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this thread need this:

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9:48a, 1/4/07
I asked my uncle's girlfriend's dad's buddy who was a rocket scientist at Lockheed for 11 years in the shuttle program and he said it will take off......
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NASA rocket scientists are idiots.
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9:50a, 1/4/07
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the so are NA
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I rest my case!
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200,000!
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10:26a, 1/4/07
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at what point does this thread cause the implosion of texags? I definitely think that we should stop before that happens, i like it here...
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10:27a, 1/4/07
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videoAg98 can never post again.
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11:40p, 1/5/07
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aww I missed it...

do we have 300k to look forward to?
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11:46p, 1/5/07
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Seriously.....Someone Submit this to Mythbusters. I am almost positive they would pick it up.
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12:09a, 1/6/07
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10:05a, 1/8/07
Well.

What's the verdict?
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