This thread rocks,

The conveyor is moot,

Tacos are a great idea,

And ...

The plane will take off.

mooooooooooooooooooooooot

DAMN YOU BADMAN

ttt

try this experiment:

sneak a leaf-blower and skates past security into an airport with the conveyor type people movers.

put on the skates and get on the conveyor.

If you stand still on the conveyor, the wheels of the skates will not turn and the conveyor will move you.

now, turn on the leaf blower and point it in the direction the conveyor is moving you. If the leaf blower causes you to slow down in relation to the area outside of the conveyor and causes the wheels of the skates to start to turn, then the plane will NOT take off.

The caveat to this is, again, how you define the "speed of the plane" that the conveyor is supposed to match. I choose to equate this to what the speed of the plane would be if there were no conveyor.

Have a great new year.

[This message has been edited by Dad-O-Lot (edited 12/29/2006 10:42a).]

What kind of freaky ass planes are you flying in? Mine usually have jet engines.

If the leaf blower was powerful enough you would go forward.

Dad-o-lot, this will be the third thread we've had this discussion in before. I'm just going to copy and paste my answer. Here it comes - this is a MUCH more accurate simulation than what you offered, especially considering thrust vs. effected weight.

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Dad: we had this discussion on the other thread.

Ugh, if I had time to waste I'd go to the airport and prove it. Here's how I'd do it.

I'd find the speed of the terminal walkway conveyors. We'll say 5mph.

I'd superglue and industrial fan to a skateboard. I would add weight to the system until the skateboard moves under the propulsion from the fan at a speed of 5mph.

I would put the skateboard on the conveyor, and turn on the fan. So your -5 mph from the conveyor, and the speed from the fan mimicing the turbines. The skateboard will move forward, it will NOT stay put.

Then I'd upload the video and be done with it.
Somebody please do this.

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This was taken directly from this conversation which you were involved in.

Just here for my daily dose of will it take off?

Oh yeah and ...

The conveyor is moot.

Less than 2100 Views Videoag and you are GONE

Will he take off?

I hope not.

can we get 100 people to visit this thread once a day for 20 days?

I will visit it thrice daily at a minimum.


I just wanted to say "thrice daily"...and now I've said it twice (but not thrice!)


that is all.

You can say that again.

I will visit it thrice daily at a minimum.


I just wanted to say "thrice daily"...and now I've said it twice (but not thrice!)


that is all.

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ok, strap an engine to your ass on a treadmill. i bet you go forward

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Not if the treadmill simultaneously speeds up in the opposite direction.

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ok, strap an engine to your ass on a treadmill. i bet you go forward

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I'll bet that neither you, nor the treadmill could move the engine...

Goose,

I was hoping you would say "that" again.

edited, you guys have already read the straightdope report, I should have read the whole thread, carry on





cecil says it takes off

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/060203.html

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What gets a plane moving are its propellers or jet turbines, which shove the air backward and thereby impel the plane forward. What the wheels, conveyor belt, etc, are up to is largely irrelevant. Let me repeat: Once the pilot fires up the engines, the plane moves forward at pretty much the usual speed relative to the ground--and more importantly the air--regardless of how fast the conveyor belt is moving backward. This generates lift on the wings, and the plane takes off. All the conveyor belt does is, as you correctly conclude, make the plane's wheels spin madly.

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the engines would suck or force the air to flow over the wing giving it lift. The question should be, would the engines force the same air over the wing that they would need for lift compared to a "moving" plane.


take a piece of calculator paper tape about 10 inches long
hold one end of it against your chin below your mouth and blow
the air blowing over the top of the tape will cause it to rise
no movement through the air is required

more science mubo jumbo here
http://www.av8n.com/how/htm/airfoils.html


[This message has been edited by TheSheik (edited 12/30/2006 6:20p).]

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The conveyor is moot.

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Come on folks.

We need to get this issue resolved before the thread gets too many views.

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Not if the treadmill simultaneously speeds up in the opposite direction.

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It can go as fast as it wants, the conveyor is moot.


HAPPY NEW YEAR!

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So if the pole holding up the New Year's Eve Ball had a conveyor system prevent the ball from dropping, would time stop?

I have nothing to add. I just wanted to be 900.

Only about 1500 views left to go videoag

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